What airplane is overall better Bonanzas or Mooneys

The only airplane I've seen personally that fits a kayak is a Cherokee six. That said, seems like a weird factor on which to base an airplane purchase. Like the man said, lots of places rent those things.
 
lol.. I said travel not purchase. There are rental planes available I believe. But nice assumption.
Just thought I read somewhere that Mooney's have removable rear seats and have a lot of room after doing so.
 
Salty said:
Rent a kayak at your location, just like a car.
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Yes, but I've found I also need a rental car that I can strap the kayaks to for out Island explorations. Planning helps


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Salty said:
I flew a Bo yesterday to compare with my mooney. Im a low hour PPL with experience in only a few planes (about 150 hours in mooney), but here's my take

Bo
It has more than 100 more HP
Climbs MUCH better than my mooney
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Those two go hand in hand - But you're clearly comparing an older Mooney. Compare the ones with similar horsepower and there won't be this difference.

Room for a yoke mount iPad (I'm cramped with an iPhone in my mooney)
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?!? What kind of mount do you use? I have a RAM yoke mount for my iPad Mini that works perfectly in the Mooney.

A lot more baggage room
A lot more room for back seat passengers
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Again, the newer long-body Mooneys (Bravo, Eagle, Ovation, Acclaim) have a TON more room than the early ones do, and they have that extra HP mentioned above too. ;)

10 or 15 knots faster than my mooney
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record - This won't be true with the long-body Mooneys either.

Given the OP's current ride (Cirrus), it doesn't make much sense to compare the older ones.
 
weilke said:
Salty: I own one, cockpit is cramped with an iPad.
Generic mooniac: You are wrong.
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Doesn't seem cramped to me:
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That's not a Johnson bar with short legs. That thing would be in my stomach if I were forward enough to reach the rudder pedals. In the bo, there's room off to the side even if you are close to the panel. I can't use a kneeboard like that either when in the pattern due to the j bar.
 
I switched from an iPad Mini to the Pro 10.5 in the Mooney, never really liked the Mini on the yoke, I think I sit too far forward for it to be a good spot... I'm still working on how best to utilize the Pro. Right now it's mostly sitting on my right leg(left handed, so a kneeboard to write notes on sits on the left).
 
I preiodically get 182KTS on the 430 burning 10GPH MOGAS....
 
Anyone who's met me knows I'm just an inch or two taller than a dwarf. I position the iPad mini on the yolk with a mount, have plenty of room for it. Wouldn't have it anywhere else. I don't quite get this part of the discussion. I knew a guy who had a tablet mounted in a Bo just like in the photo above, by the way.
 
chartbundle said:
I switched from an iPad Mini to the Pro 10.5 in the Mooney, never really liked the Mini on the yoke, I think I sit too far forward for it to be a good spot... I'm still working on how best to utilize the Pro. Right now it's mostly sitting on my right leg(left handed, so a kneeboard to write notes on sits on the left).
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Ipad pro yoke mounted.
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It looks like it would interfere with your hands on the yolk. It does not.

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For those mounting stuff on the yoke, ever think about what happens in a crash?
Or in turbulence?

Tim
 
steingar said:
Been through lots of turbulence, biggest problem is the iPad is hard to see. I suspect in a crash I'll have far bigger worries.
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^^^^ precisely!

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steingar said:
Anyone who's met me knows I'm just an inch or two taller than a dwarf. I position the iPad mini on the yolk with a mount, have plenty of room for it. Wouldn't have it anywhere else. I don't quite get this part of the discussion. I knew a guy who had a tablet mounted in a Bo just like in the photo above, by the way.
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You must have pedal extensions. I'm looking for them. Or you weigh 87 pounds.
 
mwagg737 said:
^^^^ precisely!

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And that is why they invented planes with a chute. For pilots who sometimes do not plan ahead...

Tim (how many pages can we spin out of this one...)
 
I'll try and check it out today, since I haven't yet tried the Yoke mount with the Pro, but my problem is the distance between my body and the yoke typically isn't enough for full travel with an iPad mounted there, and then the problem with getting a good angle to see it. I have enough RAM parts I can probably make anything work if I wanted.

Personally, turbulence isn't a problem, but often with a yoke mounted tablet over the years I will take it and the kneeboard off and toss them aside if I'm doing a challenging landing.
 
Salty said:
That's not a Johnson bar with short legs. That thing would be in my stomach if I were forward enough to reach the rudder pedals. In the bo, there's room off to the side even if you are close to the panel. I can't use a kneeboard like that either when in the pattern due to the j bar.
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I have no problem with kneeboard, IPad or anything else in my lap. As long as the area between the seats is clear for gear retraction all is great! I am 6'1", 180 pounds. I have all the room I need, no problem. The only thing I dont like about the Johnson bar is it gets in the way of having a cupjolder.
 
MBDiagMan said:
I have no problem with kneeboard, IPad or anything else in my lap. As long as the area between the seats is clear for gear retraction all is great! I am 6'1", 180 pounds. I have all the room I need, no problem. The only thing I dont like about the Johnson bar is it gets in the way of having a cupjolder.
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I have cupholders on either side of the cockpit. They fold up when not in use. Came with the airplane.
 
Skyrys62 said:
Can you put a kayak (or two) in a Mooney?
The non-inflatable kind.
Is there any way to travel with a couple 10ft. kayaks in any of the smaller GA planes?

I mean other than this:

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I have to research this further but you might be able to get away with it in a Bonanza A36. All the back seats are removable and it's straight through onto the baggage area. I would rent at the location as well.
 
So, I just tried the iPad 10.5 on the yoke in the Mooney. The Yoke without the ipad brushes my stomach at full pull when turned, and the iPad definitely causes problems. I have another couple mounts to try but I ran out of time today. The window was too close to see and in the way of pretty much everything. Strapped to the leg also gets hit by the yoke.
 
chartbundle said:
So, I just tried the iPad 10.5 on the yoke in the Mooney. The Yoke without the ipad brushes my stomach at full pull when turned, and the iPad definitely causes problems. I have another couple mounts to try but I ran out of time today. The window was too close to see and in the way of pretty much everything. Strapped to the leg also gets hit by the yoke.
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Have you thought about rudder pedal extensions?

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Checkout_my_Six said:
do they even make those for the Bonanza? :lol:
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They're made for Mooneys. Can also buy / find drawings and have a set made; there are three different versions, 1-1/2", 3" and 6" lengths for various sized pilots.

Can't help you with the Bo, don't know any short Bo owners . . . But I know Mooney owners from 5'2" to 6'9".
 
I believe the chin to panel length of the Beech is more ergonomically nominal than the Mooney, which accounts for the lack of a market for pedal mods. This is the same advantage Pipers enjoy in the market, which is understandable considering the Cherokee line was a trainer from inception.

Cessna has a different problem, panel height versus the average torso length/sitting height. I've seen people damn near two sofa cushions deep on a 182. Non-articulating right seats tend to be a problem as well.
 
hindsight2020 said:
This is the same advantage Pipers enjoy in the market, which is understandable considering the Cherokee line was a trainer from inception.
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Agree about the Cherokee's ergonomics ... but it was not intended as a trainer.

When introduced in 1961, Cherokees (first the PA-28-160 then a few months later the PA-28-150) were four-seaters intended as "low-cost personal and business aircraft" replacing the Tri-Pacer. The Cherokee 180 was added in late '62, and the -235 in late '63. Piper kept the tube-and-fabric PA-22-108 Colt line running into 1964 as an interim trainer, pending development of a nifty-looking plastic-composite two-seater, the PA-29 Papoose, to compete with the C-150. The company had a lot riding on the PA-29, but in the end its plastic structure was not ready for prime time, or even direct sunlight (literally), and the project was abandoned. Without a viable "modern" trainer, then, in 1964 they pulled the back seats out of the Cherokee 150, moved the rear cabin bulkhead forward, sealed up the baggage door, de-rated the engine to 140 hp, lowered gross weight by 200 lb, and announced their new "trainer", the Cherokee 140. A year later the -140's rated power and gross weight were restored to PA-28-150 levels, and snap-in "2+2" rear seats were offered.
 
Hank S said:
They're made for Mooneys. Can also buy / find drawings and have a set made; there are three different versions, 1-1/2", 3" and 6" lengths for various sized pilots.

Can't help you with the Bo, don't know any short Bo owners . . . But I know Mooney owners from 5'2" to 6'9".
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Imagine that......:lol: :ohsnap:
 
hindsight2020 said:
I believe the chin to panel length of the Beech is more ergonomically nominal than the Mooney, which accounts for the lack of a market for pedal mods. This is the same advantage Pipers enjoy in the market, which is understandable considering the Cherokee line was a trainer from inception.
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Ugh. I *hate* the "ergonomics" of the Cherokees. When my seat is far enough back to get my legs out of the yoke, I literally cannot reach the panel without leaning forward. I used to finish instrument lessons in the Archer with a horrible backache from all the leaning forward to do things on the panel. Yuck!!!

In the Mooney, the seating position is similar, but the panel is much closer. That can make some short people feel like it's small, but at least things are within reach.
 
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