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How are websites priced?
There must be some way for site mx folks to charge for really busy ones vs static ones. Much more labor for the former.
Is it a flat rate plus per hour?
What are some typical rates?

How about for a small, museum in the country website (ie not the Smithsonian), you can imagine not much traffic but the owners will want the site mgr to be available to move stuff around and install videos periodically.

What questions can I answer to help you with my question?

Is it possible to self-administer a website? What would it cost for the site alone if you do that?
 
Not necessarily more labor for a busier site. It depends on what you ask the hosting provider to do for you.

Dirt-cheap - give you a linux VM with a standard distribution on it, admin passwords, and a certain amount of disk storage and network bandwidth. You do everything else - set up the web server, run your own mail server, backups, etc.

Uber-expensive - You have an account rep to comes to interview you for your needs, and handles everything - from registering your domain to designing your logo to building your site to managing it to backing it up to providing disaster recovery.

You can find price points in between, of course, depending on what you want to do. You can get one company to host the site for a monthly fee and get another company to do the web design and maintenance on an "as needed" basis.
 
How are websites priced?

Personally, I estimate the time involved and multiply it by my labor rate, and add on any expenses.

There must be some way for site mx folks to charge for really busy ones vs static ones. Much more labor for the former.

Maybe, maybe not. Most of the cost at the building stage is usually the time to create the initial design, unless you use canned templates / themes or the design is very simple.

As for ongoing optimization, that costs, too, but the pricing is widely variable. I have one client who pays me $1300.00 a month to keep his site on the first page of Google for all relevant searches. (He's usually in slot 1 or 2.) The way I do that is pretty simple: I designed the site using all the proper code, tags and such, wrote good content, and make updates to it every day. (Search engines value freshness of content.)

Is it a flat rate plus per hour?

That's up to the designer, but it usually boils down to that eventually, no matter how it's wrapped.

What are some typical rates?

I usually base my estimates on $115.00/hr total time for the life of the agreement (usually a year at a time). That includes the initial development of a new site, as well as my estimate of how many things I'll have to do to try to keep it placing well. I also add a portion of the routine maintenance of the server, leasing fees, and so forth, as well as any other expenses (licenses and so forth).

Renewals are priced similarly, except that some clients get "special" rates based on how much they aggravated me over the past year. These can work to increase or decrease their costs.

Significant discounts are available for patient people who are in no hurry. But the work will have a lower priority than full-priced work. I've also done a few sites as mitzvahs for worthy groups that were really, really broke, back when I could afford to work for free.... sigh...

How about for a small, museum in the country website (ie not the Smithsonian), you can imagine not much traffic but the owners will want the site mgr to be available to move stuff around and install videos periodically.

Like I said previously, a lot of the initial time is spent doing the initial design, which is the most time-consuming part of the process (for me, at least). So for a small site where the owner's not especially concerned about coming in Number 1 on searches, the biggest factor would be the complexity of the design.

Ongoing updates are priced at the hourly rate unless they're so trivial time-wise that it's not worth invoicing it.

What questions can I answer to help you with my question?

Links to a few Web sites that are something like what you have in mind, how many pages you think you'll need, whether you plan to write the content or want the designer to do it, how many photos you want and whether you have them in digital form...

Is it possible to self-administer a website?

Yes. But you still need a host. Depending on your HTML skills, you probably will also need some sort of CMS framework. I haven't had very good luck with most of them optimization-wise, so I prefer to hand code.

What would it cost for the site alone if you do that?

Again, depends on what you want. If all you want is the framework installed, the initial theme designed, and you take it from there, then it would be based on the complexity of the initial theme and the difficulty of installing the framework or CMS. (Most are quite easy.)

-Rich
 
Not necessarily more labor for a busier site. It depends on what you ask the hosting provider to do for you.

Dirt-cheap - give you a linux VM with a standard distribution on it, admin passwords, and a certain amount of disk storage and network bandwidth. You do everything else - set up the web server, run your own mail server, backups, etc.

Uber-expensive - You have an account rep to comes to interview you for your needs, and handles everything - from registering your domain to designing your logo to building your site to managing it to backing it up to providing disaster recovery.

You can find price points in between, of course, depending on what you want to do. You can get one company to host the site for a monthly fee and get another company to do the web design and maintenance on an "as needed" basis.
The cost of hosting for most sites isn't a big deal at all. Getting a good website built on the other hand can run from free to millions. I don't see a website being built that would truly represent any organization effectively for less than a thousand (which would be a very simple site). The design - to the graphics - to the writing all matter and all take time. If you start getting into building a more "dynamic" site the costs will go up quickly. A "dynamic" "social" website and it'll climb even more.

Some companies will charge a flat rate and some will charge hourly. There are advantages to both.

These days, outside of my full-time job, any work I do is free or at least $100/hr.
 
The cost of hosting for most sites isn't a big deal at all. Getting a good website built on the other hand can run from free to millions. I don't see a website being built that would truly represent any organization effectively for less than a thousand (which would be a very simple site). The design - to the graphics - to the writing all matter and all take time. If you start getting into building a more "dynamic" site the costs will go up quickly. A "dynamic" "social" website and it'll climb even more.

Some companies will charge a flat rate and some will charge hourly. There are advantages to both.

These days, outside of my full-time job, any work I do is free or at least $100/hr.

Absolutely - the design is the skilled part. The actual infrastructure piece is not hard. Well, I take that back. Designing a data center and network infrastructure to host many thousands of servers and provide five 9's of uptime with minimal staffing IS very hard and skilled work - which is why NG charges about $300-500 per hour of my time when I do it. But once it's done and implemented the actual day to day management is very easly.

To the OP - you'd not go far wrong to budget $4000 for a good website for the first year - figure you pay:

$2500 for someone good like Jesse to do the intial design and set up
$500 for hosting services for the year (including backups and disaster recovery and 99.9% uptime).
$1000 for four quarterly content updates.

Depending on what your actual requirements are that could vary significantly.
 
One thing a lot of clients find hard to understand is the importance of ongoing maintenance. For my commercial clients, this consists primarily of monitoring the site's placement on relevant searches and tweaking it as needed to keep it placing well. The difficulty of doing this depends a lot on how much competition there is and how well their sites were designed.

The guy who pays me $1,300 a month is in a really high-competition area, and his competitors have good webmasters. It takes a lot of work to keep him on top, every day, and he pays for it. But I also have some sites in low-competition areas that I barely touch, yet they continue to place well. They get tweaked once a month, and their owners pay very little. The rest are somewhere in between. But my goal, which I usually (but not always) succeed at, is to get my client in the top three slots for relevant searches.

So although the idea of having someone build you a site, and you take it from there, may seem appealing, it's not always the case. Most sites will slip down in the rankings if they are neglected.

-Rich
 
OK thanks.
$0.00 to $1,000,000.00+,
with a likely amount of $4,000 for the first year.

I will pass it on.
 
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