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My lawyer told me that in today's litigious society and liberal nanny state courts, a waiver isn't worth the price of the paper it's printed on.
Blame the judges in your state.My lawyer told me that in today's litigious society and liberal nanny state courts, a waiver isn't worth the price of the paper it's printed on.
Ok. I'll find something tomorrow.I'd sure like a cite. That's very interesting.
Really? Name one.
I'd sure like a cite. That's very interesting.
Agreed.I guess if you have to go though all that, do you really want that person on your plane? And there's no guarantee that you're going to get all possible litigants to agree.I wonder whether giving a waiver to the passengers and asking all their family members to sign would fix the glitch?
Serious question.
Your niece, being a new lawyer, should do some research as to the extent such a waiver would actually protect you.
You can't waive gross negligence, and a person can not waive someone else's (surviving relative for example) right to sue.
In most states these "waivers" aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
I also sail high performance catamarans.... she said I should have one for this too as this and flying is considered "risky behavior."
I also sail high performance catamarans.... she said I should have one for this too as this and flying is considered "risky behavior."
Umbrella is no protection for aviation events, probably all of them have aviation exclusions.I have an umbrella policy for everything else - we have a small measure of liability insurance for passengers in our club plane; it's not much; then again, I rarely, rarely, take a pax along, and that's usually a CFI or family.
My umbrella policy specifically covers aviation events, as long as it is personal flying as opposed to some business venture. That is with a large insurer on a policy through my employer, so it might be different than yours.Umbrella is no protection for aviation events, probably all of them have aviation exclusions.
May be, never heard of an umbrella that covers aviation of any kind. Who's the carrier?My umbrella policy specifically covers aviation events, as long as it is personal flying as opposed to some business venture. That is with a large insurer on a policy through my employer, so it might be different than yours.
Hence the "everything else" comment, and the explanation about our club liability insurance, and not hauling pax. . .Umbrella is no protection for aviation events, probably all of them have aviation exclusions.
It's one of the big insurance companies (top 10). It is written similar to a group term life policy in that it covers all employees of a certain level, and that would include something like 4000 people.May be, never heard of an umbrella that covers aviation of any kind. Who's the carrier?
Consider the source--a law firm trying to convince you that these things are of value and you need one so they can sell it to you. In the sorts of cases cited:
Then it's probably a group coverage. Individual umbrellas don't cover aviation (why the hell is everyone so afraid of self-flown airplanes?)It's one of the big insurance companies (top 10). It is written similar to a group term life policy in that it covers all employees of a certain level, and that would include something like 4000 people.
I actually brought this up... that is a waiver is only a piece of paper... She said that you can put a in clause stating "I waive any and all claims that I, my estate, heirs, executors, etc... may have now or in the future...
Holy cow, did she pass with all "Cs" ? You can't waive the rights of someone else, no matter what your "contract" says.
Hey is that the new bird?I have personally signed waivers that said me or my family / estate will not hold them liable if something hits the fan... I have no idea whether its binding or not, but that's the only way they would let me jump off Stratosphere
yuppHey is that the new bird?
interestingly - mine doesn't . . .Umbrella is no protection for aviation events, probably all of them have aviation exclusions.
Who is your carrier?interestingly - mine doesn't . . .