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Are there any good home video wireless surveillance systems that meet at least most of these requirements:

I do not want one that needs a paid subscription.
I want wireless cameras, including power and good quality wifi connectivity.
I want motion detection and at least 7 days video storage.
I want at least 8 camera capacity.

This is not necessarily for home security. It is more for home monitoring. I want to know when the house keeper or pet sitter or delivery guy or other contractors come and go when I'm not here (or more importantly, if they do NOT come when they are supposed to).

My last system was cheap but the remote monitoring was too bad to be useful so I sent it back.
 
I went with this system:
It checks all your boxes, but I would be hesitant to go wireless only cameras. In the few systems I have had they haven't been reliable; that includes this systems wireless camera. The wired cameras in this system, and this system in general, have been 100% reliable. If I have home wifi up, I can see any camera from anywhere in real time. It's nuisance alarms are minimal. It emails still shots when it picks up person, car, etc.
 
So you want battery powered?
If so, Arlo seems to be the gold standard in that space. I looked into it and didn't want to have to replace batteries.

I'm a cheap bas**rd so I just bought wyze cams off amazon. I have 3 different models and all work great.
They have a micro SD card that stores the data so no cloud, subscription, etc (Although that is an option).
One model will physically rotate and track motion or I can pan remotely from my phone.
All have motion detection. You can speak through them remotely so you can talk to whomever is robbing you.
That is my only camera experience in this space but they do require power.

Someone will come along and say these are used by the Chinese government to watch you bake cookies and deliver targeted ads
to your children converting them to vampires so if you're worried about that sorta thing, they're probably doing that.

For what its worth, I have 3 outdoors and they have been running solid with no issues for about 5 years and they were only $25.

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I am curious how you expect video storage without paying a subscription?
 
Are there any good home video wireless surveillance systems that meet at least most of these requirements:

I do not want one that needs a paid subscription.
I want wireless cameras, including power and good quality wifi connectivity.
I want motion detection and at least 7 days video storage.
I want at least 8 camera capacity.

This is not necessarily for home security. It is more for home monitoring. I want to know when the house keeper or pet sitter or delivery guy or other contractors come and go when I'm not here (or more importantly, if they do NOT come when they are supposed to).

My last system was cheap but the remote monitoring was too bad to be useful so I sent it back.

Some thoughts wrt wireless. 8+ cameras with high enough resolution to be useful will saturate a wifi network - especially if there are significant obstructions to the wifi signals.

battery powered wireless cameras will need to be recharged. Any exterior cameras that will be easy to take down to recharge can also be easily stolen. Managing 8+ cameras that need to be recharged might be a PITA.

If you can provide wired power to the camera, then you can provide wired connectivity (think POE - power over ethernet).

7 days of local video storage for 8+ cameras isn't all that much drive space with today's drives. 4TB or 8TB of local storage isn't expensive, especially compared to what it would have cost even just 5 years ago.

I've been looking at security cameras for my Church. Some people initially thought wifi would be great... until they thought about the challenge of keeping them charged and the fact that the walls are plaster over metal screen (think faraday cage). Some people thought about using cloud storage for the security video... until they thought about the fact the our upload bandwidth would be insufficient for 8+ cameras (and don't forget cost of cloud storage) - we still don't have symmetric network speeds available at the Church.

If you aren't tech savvy, then you will need a turnkey system and will likely need to suck it up to pay for a subscription of some sort. If you are a geek/nerd like me, you could go with something like a Synology disk station with a POE switch, running cat6 or cat5e cable to the IP cameras. No subscription needed. And, if you get into it, you can have system send notifications or not, and could even make the video accessible via a VPN server (part of the Synology disk station). I admit that the Synology disk station would have other uses in addition to providing the video surveillance capability.
 
I am curious how you expect video storage without paying a subscription?
On some devices it is stored by a memory card in the camera itself; this doesn't offer much storage or security. On devices like the one I linked above, it is by hard drive within the system. The one I linked may even be searched remotely so long as the internet is up.
 
Wireless means battery powered. Reliable? That’s subjective. I’m not willing to service batteries constantly. I’ve used Wyze and Ring for web-based cams and now have pitched the Wyze and only use Ring. I do pay for storage. I had a wired system with a DVR before these and will never go back to that.
 
. . . I had a wired system with a DVR before these and will never go back to that.

I've had wireless for several years, and for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread, I purchased a wired system with a DVR, but haven't had a chance to install it. I'm curious about your reason for the quoted comment.
 
Cloud-based works better and is more reliable. Keeping my wireless cams up to date is simple. Adjusting camera FOV and sensitivity is easy to do remotely. Controlling alerts is easy. Overall I can’t think of a single advantage of the DVR system and find everything about the Ring system to be better. But that’s just my opinion based on my own experience. I don’t enjoy tinkering with tech stuff. I just want it to work. I have multiple locations and the Ring app makes navigating their cameras very simple.
 
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I can review motion events on all of my cams. In the event of a power failure I can still see all camera views and activity alerts up to the moment the wifi went off. My DVR would only provide views if it was powered. That alone makes a cloud-based system better for my needs, even when it requires a subscription. I used to pay for monitored security. No need these days. I can monitor it myself.
 
Why 8 cameras? Put one on each side of the house and you will have everything covered. The resolution and wide lenses of modern day cameras cover much more area in much more detail than old security cameras did. I would also reconsider electric powered cameras rather than battery powered ones. Constant monitoring with a WiFi connection is going to run batteries down quickly. I have blink floodlights on my house. They do require a subscription if you want video storage but it is only $3 a month or $30 a year.
 
I use the solar charger for our ring cameras. Works great. I might charge the battery once a winter.
 
Why 8 cameras? Put one on each side of the house and you will have everything covered. The resolution and wide lenses of modern day cameras cover much more area in much more detail than old security cameras did. I would also reconsider electric powered cameras rather than battery powered ones. Constant monitoring with a WiFi connection is going to run batteries down quickly. I have blink floodlights on my house. They do require a subscription if you want video storage but it is only $3 a month or $30 a year.
I always try to buy a system that is not limited too much if I decide to upgrade later. Also, two cameras would not come anywhere near being able to monitor all the things I want to monitor. There is the pool area to make sure no kids are swimming while I am gone, the front door and a couple of indoor cameras. I had an AC contractor work in my house once when I was gone and My wife swears things were "disturbed" in the bathroom. I would probably be fine with 4 or 5 cameras, but I can't say that is all I will ever want.
I use the solar charger for our ring cameras. Works great. I might charge the battery once a winter.
I might consider a solar charger for the ones that are not conveniently located to a power source.
 
I remember talking to a police officer after an attempted break-in at my old house. He said I should get an alarm. I told him a sophisticated thief could work around a typical alarm. He told me I didn’t have anything a sophisticated thief would want to steal. I suspect he was right.
 
Criminals are apparently jamming wifi cameras now.
Your typical residential burglar? How often is this really happening?

I think that the whole point of any affordable residential home security system is to just make it slightly less attractive than your neighbor's house who does not have one. Unless any of us are really storing something particularly valuable or irreplaceable.
 
Your typical residential burglar? How often is this really happening?

Jammers are a couple hundred bucks online. Considering how many houses have Ring doorbells or similar, I'd say any burglar with half a brain has one.
 
I think that the whole point of any affordable residential home security system is to just make it slightly less attractive than your neighbor's house who does not have one.

A yard sign saying “Our neighbors think guns should be banned” would probably be sufficient.....
 
This is not necessarily for home security. It is more for home monitoring. I want to know when the house keeper or pet sitter or delivery guy or other contractors come and go when I'm not here (or more importantly, if they do NOT come when they are supposed to).
I’m very old fashioned, but my opinion is you do not need to be looking at cameras as much as you do a mirror.. your vetting and hiring process, your relationship with these people , and the quality of the services provided. If you need to be remotely monitoring them you have failed, and no personal attack intended, but I find the concept of the entire situation (which has become more common) of remote viewing workers extremely creepy. I known of a few incidents where people were using remote “monitoring of the workers” for nasty reasons, and were caught at it. Home security for when you are away… nothing beats well trained Doberman pinchers, hands down.
 
I’m very old fashioned, but my opinion is you do not need to be looking at cameras as much as you do a mirror.. your vetting and hiring process, your relationship with these people , and the quality of the services provided. If you need to be remotely monitoring them you have failed, and no personal attack intended, but I find the concept of the entire situation (which has become more common) of remote viewing workers extremely creepy. I known of a few incidents where people were using remote “monitoring of the workers” for nasty reasons, and were caught at it. Home security for when you are away… nothing beats well trained Doberman pinchers, hands down.

trust but verify.
 
trust but verify.
I actually use that exact phrase regularly at work, but still stand by my first statements. In a working (office, manufacturing floor, retail floor, etc) I see the need to take a higher level of risk to find workers. The people you actually allow access to your own home should be extremely well vetted.
 
I actually use that exact phrase regularly at work, but still stand by my first statements. In a working (office, manufacturing floor, retail floor, etc) I see the need to take a higher level of risk to find workers. The people you actually allow access to your own home should be extremely well vetted.
I wish I lived in your world.
 
I do not want one that needs a paid subscription.
I want wireless cameras, including power and good quality wifi connectivity.
I want motion detection and at least 7 days video storage.
I want at least 8 camera capacity.
-do all cameras have good ir capabilities these days? I expect a person would want to see things at night.
-do they all have motion detection, for both starting image recording and for notifications?
 
-do all cameras have good ir capabilities these days? I expect a person would want to see things at night.
-do they all have motion detection, for both starting image recording and for notifications?
Mine have good night vision and user configurable motion alert area. I had to reduce the area on one cam because it picked up people and planes on the taxiway that’s 80’ away. Motion events are stored for 6 months.
 
I wish I lived in your world.
Do not get these services done through a company, they will hire anybody that can fog a mirror, hire a specific person directly, and pay them well. Then you have direct control over whom is actually the person that shows up (or don’t). If you pay them well for the services they provide they will respect you and their job, If you pay them a bit more than normally expected for the services they will go above and beyond for a while then get resentful, if you pay them twice what they can make anywhere else doing the same job you can almost be assured that they will not only do it above and beyond, but be loyal and replace the need for the cameras, they will watch out for you. Don’t spend the money on the cameras, give it to them as wage.
 
I always try to buy a system that is not limited too much if I decide to upgrade later. Also, two cameras would not come anywhere near being able to monitor all the things I want to monitor. There is the pool area to make sure no kids are swimming while I am gone, the front door and a couple of indoor cameras. I had an AC contractor work in my house once when I was gone and My wife swears things were "disturbed" in the bathroom. I would probably be fine with 4 or 5 cameras, but I can't say that is all I will ever want.
See @Bob Noel's comments regarding wireless.

And then, come back and look at Power over Ethernet solutions. Only one low-voltage wire to run, you'll never need to recharge, and you can have much better image quality without having to cram everything into WiFi bandwidth.

FWIW, I like these guys: https://ui.com/us/en/camera-security

It's not consumer-level plug-and-chug stuff, but it's reasonably easy if you're at all tech savvy, it stores video locally on a hard drive, and it has all the features you're looking for otherwise.
 
Do not get these services done through a company, they will hire anybody that can fog a mirror, hire a specific person directly, and pay them well. Then you have direct control over whom is actually the person that shows up (or don’t). If you pay them well for the services they provide they will respect you and their job, If you pay them a bit more than normally expected for the services they will go above and beyond for a while then get resentful, if you pay them twice what they can make anywhere else doing the same job you can almost be assured that they will not only do it above and beyond, but be loyal and replace the need for the cameras, they will watch out for you. Don’t spend the money on the cameras, give it to them as wage.

Some states require people installing security systems to be certified (or vetted). Years ago people were installing coax for bank security cameras and systems... and these same people used their knowledge and access to rob the banks. In fact, for my Church, I would need permission to run cat6 for POE for security cameras. It wouldn't be hard to get, but it would still be required by local code.

wrt pricing, the hardware is not expensive. Companies almost give away the hardware. They really make their money on yearly fees.
 
Are there any good home video wireless surveillance systems that meet at least most of these requirements:

I do not want one that needs a paid subscription.
I want wireless cameras, including power and good quality wifi connectivity.
I want motion detection and at least 7 days video storage.
I want at least 8 camera capacity.

This is not necessarily for home security. It is more for home monitoring. I want to know when the house keeper or pet sitter or delivery guy or other contractors come and go when I'm not here (or more importantly, if they do NOT come when they are supposed to).

My last system was cheap but the remote monitoring was too bad to be useful so I sent it back.
I've been using the system made by Eufy (Eufy.com - also on Amazon) and I highly recommend it.

There are a number of different cameras. Most are battery-powered but either have built-in or outboard solar chargers so they run indefinitely. I have two indoors where it's not practical to have a solar charger, and the batteries typically give me 4-6 months to a charge, then a few hours plugged into USB keeps me going another six months or so. They have cameras between HD and 4K (I have the 4K) and at least one is a PTZ (pan, tilt, zoom). Picture quality is excellent during the daytime and acceptable at night. At night, you have the choice of turning on a small integrated LED spotlight if motion is detected and that gives you closer to daytime performance. The cameras have motion detection, an intercom function (so you can talk and listen) and some sort of AI algorithm that tries to distinguish between people, animals and vehicles (it works about 80%). Because they are completely wireless, they are easy to mount anywhere you like, interior or exterior. No cables whatsoever to run.

They are wireless, but it's not WiFi - it's a proprietary protocol that connects the camera to a base station, and the base station can be hard-wired with Ethernet. This helps battery life considerably and has the advantage of not consuming your WiFi capacity. It works fine even through network outages - and even power outages (if your base station is on a UPS). Once setup, I've never had a connectivity problem. The base stations have a slot for a hard drive - out of the box, there's something like 64G of memory in the device, but you can install whatever size hard drive you like. I ended up with two base stations in my home to cover the range I need. You can have an unlimited number of cameras per base station, though I'd worry that if you were recording off multiple cameras at the same time, you might start running out of bandwidth at about 8 cameras. I have six on one of my base stations and never had an issue.

The mobile apps are okay in my opinion. The system is good at sending alerts when something happens...often, I'll see the popup on my Apple Watch (it's a still clip with whatever the camera detected) and if I want to check it out, I just open the app on my phone or iPad and can either watch the clip of the event or I can watch live. The sensitivity of the sensors is such that a rabbit wandering onto my property from about 60 feet at night will trigger it. The number of false alarms from things like the wind causing trees to shuffle around in the breeze are small. I've used the process literally all over the world and it's always worked reliably, so long as I'm connected by cellular. The only thing that impedes playback is if your home might lost Internet connectivity...recording still happens - you just can't access your base stations remotely in that case.

In addition to my home, I have this same kind of setup in the hangar so I can keep track of my airplane. I put the base station there on a tiny UPS battery backup so that I'm confident I can monitor and record even in power outages. I happen to have WiFi near my hangar, but a cellular solution wouldn't be hard to rig up if you needed that.

There's no paid subscription required - the app you use for monitoring is totally free, and it works by connecting through the internet to those base stations I described.

To be clear, this isn't about continuous monitoring. The cameras have motion sensors and any time they detect motion, they will record a video clip. You can also connect to any camera through the app and watch the live feed, but it's not like a wired system that can record continuously. Because it's more of an "event based" system, the storage in the base station lasts nearly forever - the 2TB disk I have in one of mine is only about 20% full after over a year of recording, so you can keep events nearly forever without much effort. I thought I wanted continuous recording, but after living with the Eufy, the tradeoff is worth it.
 
I’ve got a handful of arlo wireless (3 exterior, 3 interior) at home. Pretty sure some type of subscription will be needed at some point, but maybe not.

Two of the three exteriors cameras are mounted up high with a small solar panel to aid in charging. A couple times a year, when the San Antonio area turns to Seattle weather patterns for a week or longer, I’ll have to pull the batteries and charge them.

The other four cameras are hard wired to power and connect by wifi.

With four HDTVs and a Synology diskstationhardwired to my network and three laptops, a flight sim PC, two iphones, and ipad, and a samsung tablet connecting wirelessly, I don’t have any problems with throughput.

Your scenario may not work as well as mine does for a variety if reasons.
 
I'm with @flyingch - PoE cameras and a NVR. Been building up a system with Amcrest. The cameras record to whatever hdd I buy, the nvr chassis is around $140 (no drives) but has poe power for 8 ports. No need to build it from scratch. Plug in a monitor, keyboard and mouse and set it all up really simple. No need to connect to internet so no need for any subscription. The cameras have AI motion detect and record to SD card on the camera AND the NVR hard disks.

Got sick of battery replacement and slow response times, especially at hangar behind a 4g hotspot. But very easy to access it externally if needed and high resolution high frame rate capture is on the drives.

Saw our first mouse with this setup. Hangar heat was running and motion alarm tripped at 1am.

I'm keeping my Blinks for hand placement only now.
 
Clearly you're thinking too small!
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A yard sign saying “Our neighbors think guns should be banned” would probably be sufficient.....
... to get the thieves to break into your house when you're gone, because they think you have guns they can steal. I don't want them knowing I have any guns in the house until they hear the slide rack.

I used Wyze cams for a while. They got better, then lousier over time as the software was "upgraded". Eventually person detecti0nquit working completely for us. I don't want motion alerts or they'll go off constantly as people walk past and cars go by; I just need to know if someone actually walks up the driveway pr through the yard. I eventually gave in and replaced them with Ring cameras since we already have a Ring doorbell. The fees aren't bad - $36 a year, I think.

I bought a DVR system, but it still sits in a box in a closet. The cameras are wired, and there's just no way to get the cables run to where we need them without tearing the house up. Maybe someday I'll re-purpose the DVR box with Linux based software that will get video from WYze or similar cheap cameras with good IR night vision, and let that software do the person detection. Or I may just stick with the Ring cameras...
 
I eventually gave in and replaced them with Ring cameras since we already have a Ring doorbell. The fees aren't bad - $36 a year, I think.
I would advise against Ring if you value your privacy and security. Amazon has been doing some really shady/creepy stuff with them. They'll supply footage to the police without your permission, they've caught Amazon employees watching people's footage, and they've got hardware inside all the devices now that shares some of your Internet bandwidth with other devices, whether they're yours or not.

I've already turned off my Echo (Alexa), and I'm getting rid of my Ring stuff - I'm down to one remaining Ring camera, that'll go when I do my next network upgrade.
 
I would advise against Ring if you value your privacy and security.
None of our Ring cameras are pointed at anything the rest of the world can't see anyway. They all face outward, outside the house.

But we don't have Alexa in the bedrooms or bathroom, that's for damn sure.
 
Are there any good home video wireless surveillance systems that meet at least most of these requirements:

I do not want one that needs a paid subscription.
I want wireless cameras, including power and good quality wifi connectivity.
I want motion detection and at least 7 days video storage.
I want at least 8 camera capacity.

This is not necessarily for home security. It is more for home monitoring. I want to know when the house keeper or pet sitter or delivery guy or other contractors come and go when I'm not here (or more importantly, if they do NOT come when they are supposed to).

My last system was cheap but the remote monitoring was too bad to be useful so I sent it back.
Hi.
Have a look at> https://www.costco.com/lorex-fusion...nce-spotlight-cameras.product.4000272248.html
I would stay away from anything battery operated, and if you can WiFi, this can do both.
Get something that can record and deter in real time.
I've gone through self made garage door detectors +GAF+relays+dedicated PC.., X10 which I still have a couple and my wife watches on PIP TV... and found that the most reliable is the wired type, similar to this. To get a wire trough the wall is fairly simple, best and easiest is the top window corner that can be easily repaired.
Yes, I did read the OP message but I think WiFi is setting yourself up for disappointment and exposing yourself, If you can see it anyone / everyone can.
 
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