If the flight is Dual, I'd say go fly on the Valium (tell your CFI) and lean from that.
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If the flight is Dual, I'd say go fly on the Valium (tell your CFI) and lean from that.
Gary F
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That might be an interesting experiment for the instructor but the student may not remember anything that was taught. Benzodiazepines like versed and valium are frequently used for conscious sedation since they have an amnestic effect. This is a good thing during a medical procedure as you may not remember any unpleasant experiences but you may not remember something taught by your flight instructor with one of these drugs on board.
TMetzinger
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On the original topic, I think the "wait 40 hours" is conservative advice, good if you're flying solo. If you're with a CFI, then I'd wait until you feel comfortable driving.
The amnesiacs are interesting. As a medic we'd often give them in the field before doing something unpleasant. I remember when I was given an amnesiac once, and it had interesting effects on my perceptions. In many ways I felt that my perception was expanded, even though I was forgetting every moment as it passed.
The amnesiacs are interesting. As a medic we'd often give them in the field before doing something unpleasant. I remember when I was given an amnesiac once, and it had interesting effects on my perceptions. In many ways I felt that my perception was expanded, even though I was forgetting every moment as it passed.
azure
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Welcome Kimberly, from another female student (going for my instrument rating). My name is Liz. Sorry you ran into an ill-behaved frog with a bee up his bonnet. This is a great site with many posters with a lot of knowledge. There are other women around here too, all levels of experience and certification including at least two ATPs and a CFII prolly about your age. Hope you stay and continue to share your journey with us!
On the original question, I'm neither a doc, an AME, or a CFI, but if you're a student pilot and not solo you're not PIC, and if you're not PIC and not currently under the influence of any disallowed meds, as far as I know there aren't any legalities to prevent you from flying with an instructor. Personally I'd wait a few days until I felt comfortable driving to the airport, tell my instructor what I had undergone, and take it from there.
On the original question, I'm neither a doc, an AME, or a CFI, but if you're a student pilot and not solo you're not PIC, and if you're not PIC and not currently under the influence of any disallowed meds, as far as I know there aren't any legalities to prevent you from flying with an instructor. Personally I'd wait a few days until I felt comfortable driving to the airport, tell my instructor what I had undergone, and take it from there.
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EdFred
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I've been through 5 - yup 5 oral surgeries. Got the complete knockout for 2 of them. I never had either of the drugs you are asking about, but I've had my share of hydrocodone for post op pain relief. I generally still feel the effects 20ish hours after first taking it, and tend to wait another day before flying. I didn't feel like flying for a few days after the surgeries themselves so any drugs administered during the procedure will be out of your system long before you feel like climbing back into a plane.
Now some nits to pick:
Yes, your class I medical is good for five years
No, it does not revert to a class II after 6 months.
No, it does not revert to a class III after 1 year.
It is still a Class I medical. However (and you are a long ways off from any of this) you may not exercise the privileges of an ATP after 6 calendar months of issuance, and you may not exercise the privileges of a commercial pilot after 12 calendar months of issuance. You may continue to exercise the privileges of a student/private pilot for 60 calendar months after issuance.
Now some nits to pick:
Yes, your class I medical is good for five years
No, it does not revert to a class II after 6 months.
No, it does not revert to a class III after 1 year.
It is still a Class I medical. However (and you are a long ways off from any of this) you may not exercise the privileges of an ATP after 6 calendar months of issuance, and you may not exercise the privileges of a commercial pilot after 12 calendar months of issuance. You may continue to exercise the privileges of a student/private pilot for 60 calendar months after issuance.
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They did this to me once when I broke my leg skiing as a teenager and they were trying to set the bones. They said I would feel it but I wouldn't care. Which was true.
As far as that other poster is concerned, he must have forgotten to take his meds...
EdFred
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Aren't all us guys, Liz?
As for the second paragraph 91.17(b) would be an issue
§ 91.17 Alcohol or drugs.
(b) Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a person who appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or physical indications that the individual is under the influence of drugs (except a medical patient under proper care) to be carried in that aircraft.
So the CFI should, by rule, refuse to give a flight lesson if she is still loopy.
Gary F
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Unless her CFI is also her physician, right?Aren't all us guys, Liz?
As for the second paragraph 91.17(b) would be an issue
§ 91.17 Alcohol or drugs.
(b) Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a person who appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or physical indications that the individual is under the influence of drugs (except a medical patient under proper care) to be carried in that aircraft.
So the CFI should, by rule, refuse to give a flight lesson if she is still loopy.
EdFred
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Technically speaking, yes. But I don't know too many maxillofacial CFIs.
azure
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Frogs? Yep, by definition.Aren't all us guys, Liz?
Ill-behaved? Oooh. I think I better not answer that one...
Yep, which is why I included the part bolded below:
Gary F
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All it says is "except a medical patient under proper care". I do not see anything that requires a specific specialty or even that a physician is required to be on board. Any licensed physician or nurse should do. I send patients on medivac flights with only a flight nurse and some of them are drugged to the gills.
Gary F
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I disagree since almost any physician should be able to manage a patient transport. We are not discussing the ability to perform certain medical procedures which would not be performed in an airplane anyway. A number of specialists (like myself) served as General Medical Officers in the Army and transported patients before starting advanced medical training. It might look better if the provider is credentialed to perform conscious sedation. Still, I might have some 'splainin to do if the FAA catches me with a drunk getting out of an airplane.
EdFred
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Oh, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that's how I picture it. Sort of like "what is a short runway?" For you it's, pretty much everywhere but your home base.
Gary F
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No kidding. I would trade half it's length for a 3,000 ft crosswind runway.Oh, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that's how I picture it. Sort of like "what is a short runway?" For you it's, pretty much everywhere but your home base.
flyingcheesehead
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Yeah, well, we already like you better than him anyway.
(Edit: Looks like he's been permanently banned from PoA. Good riddance.)
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kimberlyanne546
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Yeah, well, we already like you better than him anyway.
That's a bold statement. Just give me time on this forum and perhaps you'll hate me sooner rather than later.
But for now, thank you.
Kimberly
EdFred
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flyingcheesehead
Touchdown! Greaser!
kimberlyanne546
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Wow - no need for apologies or letters of recommendation!
But very VERY nice of you.
Thanks, Doc - the "good people" have been posting to me or sending PM's - it has all worked itself out....
Kimberly
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Kimberly, hope you do stay. Those comments and the PMs are uncalled for and I'm embarassed for the board that happened to you. This is a good place and you never konw what you might have to add. Even the gray beards can learn somethng from the newbs.
Ditto!
MBDiagMan
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I find this one hard to believe. The only time I've ever seen you "get your feathers up" was for your own defense, and no one can blame you for defending yourself, physically or an a discussion forum either one. Your comments and your suggestions have always been classy.
Believe me folks, I can't imagine the time when any reasonable poster will ever finds hate for Kim.
Doc
kimberlyanne546
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Okay okay even when you guys got mad at my CFI for pulling my seat out from under me right at takeoff and I couldn't reach the controls - even then I refused "violence" like bringing a mini baseball bat to my next lesson and "briefing my passengers" not to touch any buttons....
So perhaps I am not physically violent......
Thanks (and to those of you who don't know the story it was a post about what has your CFI done to you - to distract you)
Gary F
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**** Thread drift alert ******They won't clear you land on Charlie?
In a pinch you can ask for it but I would prefer a real crosswind runway. Somebody built an alternative fuel plant just over the fence on the East side of the airport and it has tall stacks so Charlie would be real scary. Alpha1 and Foxtrot might be better. I have landed on 19 with a crosswind 22G28 and that was about all I can handle.
bbchien
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Here is "duration of medical certificates" from the horse's mouth (see pg 2):
http://www.faa.gov/library/reports/medical/fasmb/media/200803_color.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...afety/info/all_infos/media/2008/inFO08046.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/library/reports/medical/fasmb/media/200803_color.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...afety/info/all_infos/media/2008/inFO08046.pdf
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Diana
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Sorry I'm late to this thread...I just now read it.
Kimberly, welcome to PoA!
Yes, there are other girls on here...some of us are quiet and don't post much. I don't post as much as I used to on any of the aviation forums. By the way, this is my favorite aviation forum. The wonderful gentlemen on the Management Council are quick to respond when the occasional jerk gets out of line, and I see that they quickly took care of the guy (he's gone from here now) who was so inappropriately rude to you. Hopefully, this isolated incident won't drive you away. Your enthusiasm, passion for aviation, and intelligence are refreshing. I've had guys like that be rude to me on all of the different aviation forums. They usually don't last, but I do.
Oh, and the hair barrettes...I have to use whatever I can to keep my hair in line...it typically looks like I just stuck my finger in an electric socket.
Kimberly, welcome to PoA!
Yes, there are other girls on here...some of us are quiet and don't post much. I don't post as much as I used to on any of the aviation forums. By the way, this is my favorite aviation forum.
The wonderful gentlemen on the Management Council are quick to respond when the occasional jerk gets out of line, and I see that they quickly took care of the guy (he's gone from here now) who was so inappropriately rude to you. Hopefully, this isolated incident won't drive you away. Your enthusiasm, passion for aviation, and intelligence are refreshing. I've had guys like that be rude to me on all of the different aviation forums. They usually don't last, but I do. Oh, and the hair barrettes...I have to use whatever I can to keep my hair in line...it typically looks like I just stuck my finger in an electric socket.
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Yes, we have lots of women here. I once got into trouble trying to list them, so I'll not make that mistake again!Sorry I'm late to this thread...I just now read it.
Kimberly, welcome to PoA!
Yes, there are other girls on here...some of us are quiet and don't post much. I don't post as much as I used to on any of the aviation forums. By the way, this is my favorite aviation forum.
Oh, and the hair barrettes...I have to use whatever I can to keep my hair in line...it typically looks like I just stuck my finger in an electric socket.
And Kimberly, belonging to multiple boards is not considered treasonous! I belong to many, but barely have time to keep up with this one. Like Diana, it's my favorite!
kimberlyanne546
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All that effort and in the end there was so much traffic on the freeway that sedation could not be an option (you have to take it an hour before the appointment and get a ride to the office and I didn't want to be late so I drove straight there).
Oh well, I learned a lot along the way even though it became a non-issue.
But if I go to the dentist in the future I will be well-informed.
Kimberly
Oh well, I learned a lot along the way even though it became a non-issue.
But if I go to the dentist in the future I will be well-informed.
Kimberly
Diana
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Awww, Grant. You were really sweet to list the names and were thoughtful and innocent and I can't remember what you did to get in trouble. ??? Did you leave someone out?Yes, we have lots of women here. I once got into trouble trying to list them, so I'll not make that mistake again!
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Diana
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Barb, that's funny!!!He probably forgot Leslie!
Kimberly, Leslie is Grant's wife, in case you weren't aware of that.
kimberlyanne546
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Nope, I did not know that, I'm new here, just glad to see more women pilots! To this day, at my airport, I have NEVER seen a girl get in a plane as the pilot. Though I have now seen a young female student work with my CFI (don't know if she is old enough to solo).
Kimberly
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azure
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About a year before I bought my Cardinal, I joined a local flying club and was pleased to see that I wasn't the only woman in the membership. There was one other, who had just finished her instrument rating. But within months she bought a Cirrus and sold her membership to her husband. So now I'm the only girl in the club.
But there are at least 2-3 others who own planes on the field, and I think 3, maybe 4 at the nearby airport where I fuel up (and one posts on this board).
But there are at least 2-3 others who own planes on the field, and I think 3, maybe 4 at the nearby airport where I fuel up (and one posts on this board).