Two planes collide over SF bay

Jim Logajan said:
I don't have any compelling reasons to offer one way or another. The PIC obviously felt the damage hadn't created a time-critical situation.

Not sure if they did any aerobatics, and if they did, whether they departed for home shortly after doing some and so might have been (still) wearing parachutes. That would (to me) place a different color on their decision to continue flying.

By the way, this appears to be the show they had attended:
http://dreammachines.miramarevents.com/

Listed for "All day" on the event schedule: "Jaw-Dropping Flyovers by Historic Military Aircraft"
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I've been to several of those. Real zoo getting in and out. Fun though. I actually planned on going on Sunday but something came up and I couldn't.
 
Jim Logajan said:
NTSB preliminary report on this accident:
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20140427X21627&key=1
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Sad.....:sad::sad::sad:


And...

"The Sea Fury pilot made visual contact with the Cessna, which was ahead and to his left. He broadcast to the Cessna pilot that he would pass low and to the left. The Cessna pilot responded that it would be a good picture. The Sea Fury pilot replied that probably not due to the speed differential; the Sea Fury airspeed was about 200 miles per hour. The Sea Fury pilot proceeded on a path that he thought would allow adequate separation; however, as he was passing the Cessna, he felt and heard a thump and he realized that the two airplanes had collided. He pulled up and looked over his shoulder and he observed the Cessna inverted and going down."

The Sea Fury pilot is 100% to blame.....:(
 
Yeah, he passed underneath the Cessna? What?

Cessna on the left, passing Cessna on the left requires crossing its path.

Or is that a typo?
 
Old Geek said:
Wouldn't a similar accident in cars get you a manslaughter charge?
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Probably not if you are warbird rich. Also remember the Cessna pilot was a willing participant in formation flight. We don't want the law getting involved after accidents no matter how douchey and manslaughtery the accidents might be.
 
N801BH said:
Sad.....:sad::sad::sad:


And...

"The Sea Fury pilot made visual contact with the Cessna, which was ahead and to his left. He broadcast to the Cessna pilot that he would pass low and to the left. The Cessna pilot responded that it would be a good picture. The Sea Fury pilot replied that probably not due to the speed differential; the Sea Fury airspeed was about 200 miles per hour. The Sea Fury pilot proceeded on a path that he thought would allow adequate separation; however, as he was passing the Cessna, he felt and heard a thump and he realized that the two airplanes had collided. He pulled up and looked over his shoulder and he observed the Cessna inverted and going down."

The Sea Fury pilot is 100% to blame.....:(
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There was a thread that leaked purported last transmissions related to the pass, and if they happened to be correct, it would NOT be the Sea Fury's fault. It adds up as well, because even though you should pass on the right, you would pass on the left for a pilot sitting on the left to take a picture... Which brings up the issue of what if something happened while the 210 pilot was reaching for a camera.
 
ClimbnSink said:
Probably not if you are warbird rich. Also remember the Cessna pilot was a willing participant in formation flight. We don't want the law getting involved after accidents no matter how douchey and manslaughtery the accidents might be.
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And this midair is the poster child of that example...:idea:
 
Old Geek said:
Wouldn't a similar accident in cars get you a manslaughter charge?
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Cars and airplanes. Exactly the same.:rolleyes: I really wish people would stop bringing up cars in airplane discussions. Kind of like talking about politics and bringing up Hitler.

If this was manslaughter, should we then charge all surviving pilots of a formation mid air with manslaughter? It happens nearly every year somewhere. I'm not sure what's so different about this formation screw up vs. all the other formation screw ups that happen again and again? How many times have two pilots maneuvered close to "get an awesome shot" resulting in disaster?

The only lesson here is that formation flying is a higher risk than solo flying and that any maneuvering should be pre planned and briefed before flight so that both pilots know what to expect. Ad hoc formation flying and close maneuvering is historically very dangerous. As this accident illustrates, prior formation flying experience makes little to no difference.

Of course it is likely that no lesson is learned here. That's because the next two guys to go up ad hoc to get some pictures of themselves won't be as reckless and dumb as these guys were. They'll be careful, safety conscious, experienced pilots... or that's what their friends and widows will say.:rolleyes:
 
RyanShort1 said:
There was a thread that leaked purported last transmissions related to the pass, and if they happened to be correct, it would NOT be the Sea Fury's fault. It adds up as well, because even though you should pass on the right, you would pass on the left for a pilot sitting on the left to take a picture... Which brings up the issue of what if something happened while the 210 pilot was reaching for a camera.
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I respectfully disagree......

An overtaking aircraft, boat, car, ETC, ETC..... has to give way... If the Sea Fury didn't allow enough room and they hit, regardless if the 210 wandered over his way a couple of feet, the fact remains... The passing plane HIT the slower one... IMHO...
 
N801BH said:
I respectfully disagree......

An overtaking aircraft, boat, car, ETC, ETC..... has to give way... If the Sea Fury didn't allow enough room and they hit, regardless if the 210 wandered over his way a couple of feet, the fact remains... The passing plane HIT the slower one... IMHO...
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I kind of have to agree. If you are close enough that an unexpected turn could result in a collision, you are too close.
 
Both willing participants, I doubt this was really anyone's fault, unless the warbird pilot really wanted the 210 pilot dead, which I doubt. Horrible tragedy.

Those WWII warbirds were built tough as nails. I've seen photos of them coming back with all manner of damage. Were it me, and the thing was flying OK with nothing obviously wrong I might do the same thing he did. Give myself some time to check the aircraft out and get away from population centers in case things go south. Acting precipitously can create problems that didn't exist in the first place.
 
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