TSA ignores diplomatic immunity

sba55 said:
_Even if_ an ambassador had bad intentions (such as murdering people on a plane), there isn't anything they could charge that person with unless the President revoked his credentials.
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I think the only thing our government could do in that case would be to kick the offending diplomat out of the country.

Even if the TSA found a bomb, they couldn't take it from her, nor could the police arrest her.
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I find it hard to believe that anyone would allow a diplomat to keep a bomb, regardless of what international law says.

Here's an article on diplomatic immunity. It doesn't seem to address the issue of this thread, but it does cite some examples of how misconduct of diplomats has been handled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity
 
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sba55 said:
Yes, and furthermore, let's think about this for a second. The supposed idea of these searches at airports is to deter terrorists and other bad people. _Even if_ an ambassador had bad intentions (such as murdering people on a plane), there isn't anything they could charge that person with unless the President revoked his credentials.

This is another reason why this is completely bogus. Even if the TSA found a bomb, they couldn't take it from her, nor could the police arrest her. It's a pointless exercise.
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If by "President revoked his credentials" you mean the President of the United States, he cannot do that. The government of his host country can do so, but he is beyond the reach of US law without the consent of the sponsoring country.

Committing such a crime under the cloak of diplomatic immunity would constitute casus belli in the country sponsoring such a diplomat would be in for a big ass-whoopin'.
 
JeffDG said:
If by "President revoked his credentials" you mean the President of the United States, he cannot do that. The government of his host country can do so, but he is beyond the reach of US law without the consent of the sponsoring country.

Committing such a crime under the cloak of diplomatic immunity would constitute casus belli in the country sponsoring such a diplomat would be in for a big ass-whoopin'.
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The USA can declare the diplomat Persona Non Grata and (civilly) eject him from the country.
 
The obvious question is why did TSA act thusly and what has been done about it since then? The latter part of that question presumes there was in fact an infraction.* Never mind answering the first half of that question...TSA is nimrods and morons.

What has the State Dept done since then?

*Don't jump on me, I'm simply stating the obvious that if the govt has not acted to correct the breach of diplomacy, perhaps it is because they do not share the perspective as shown in this thread.
 
JeffDG said:
If by "President revoked his credentials" you mean the President of the United States, he cannot do that.
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Actually, yes, he can, as can the head of any state with regards to another state's recognized diplomats who've been extended diplomatic courtesy.

Still may not get to see whats in the bag, but we can tell them to take their bag and GTFO. And wait for a retaliatory expulsion in kind of one of our diplomats.
 
Richard said:
The obvious question is why did TSA act thusly and what has been done about it since then? The latter part of that question presumes there was in fact an infraction.* Never mind answering the first half of that question...TSA is nimrods and morons.

What has the State Dept done since then?

*Don't jump on me, I'm simply stating the obvious that if the govt has not acted to correct the breach of diplomacy, perhaps it is because they do not share the perspective as shown in this thread.
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Of the perspective of the Indian government. Regarding the previous incident:
India's Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna told reporters in New Delhi that India will lodge a diplomatic protest with the United States following the incident.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101209/pl_afp/indiausdiplomacysecurityclinton_20101209215627

From that article, it sounds like the State Department hadn't figured out where they stood on it as of last week.
 
Doggtyred said:
Actually, yes, he can, as can the head of any state with regards to another state's recognized diplomats who've been extended diplomatic courtesy.

Still may not get to see whats in the bag, but we can tell them to take their bag and GTFO. And wait for a retaliatory expulsion in kind of one of our diplomats.
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Right. The President formally accepts the credentials of top diplomats (usually in a personal meeting), and he can certainly revoke that consent. Diplomats don't get diplomatic status automatically.

Given some precedents, I also doubt that the US could search a bag belonging to a diplomat without consent and they probably wouldn't be able to confiscate a bomb if they saw one on the X-Ray. They could kick out the diplomat, and that's most likely what would happen...

Diplomatic protections are VERY strong. Especially also because we want out own diplomats to be treated nicely.
 
Palmpilot said:
I find it hard to believe that anyone would allow a diplomat to keep a bomb, regardless of what international law says.

Here's an article on diplomatic immunity. It doesn't seem to address the issue of this thread, but it does cite some examples of how misconduct of diplomats has been handled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity
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Well, a bomb is an extreme case that's probably never occurred. Let's say a gun instead. The TSA wouldn't be able to take the gun, nor could anyone arrest or detain the ambassador were she to simply walk through security without stopping. So I don't understand the point of the TSA in this case (or any case, but that's another thread)... Of course, a private airline could refuse to fly that diplomat, but that's another issue entirely.
 
sba55 said:
Right. The President formally accepts the credentials of top diplomats (usually in a personal meeting), and he can certainly revoke that consent. Diplomats don't get diplomatic status automatically.
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But once that status is granted, it cannot be "revoked" by the President in order to prosecute a diplomat under US law. There are 2 forms of protest available: 1) PNG the diplomat and send him home, never to return again, and 2) Declare the conduct casus belli and open a can of whoop-ass on the sponsoring country. However, the diplomat him/her self is still immune.
 
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next thing ya know Dave will want 4.99 a minute for "the rest of the story"
 
mikea said:
Maybe not but we know from the movies that all bombs, even the one that gets carried way down in the bomb bay where no human can get to it, have huge digital display countdown timers with a push-button code pad and key switch that determine when it explodes and if you smash the display the detonation can't be stopped.
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And most of the time, if you cut the red wire, you disarm the bomb.
 
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