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I am starting class for my pilots license thursday and have been told my felony from 8 years agor for a white collar crime will not be an issue in obtaining my private single engine license. Does anyone have any input on this
 
Unless drugs were involved in your "white collar crime" (like laundering money for the cartel), this should not be a problem at this level.
 
anyone here been thru the process with a felony? I dont really want to leave it off the application.
 
Isn't ATP the only one with the 'good moral character' clause? Could be wrong...
 
customandcollision said:
anyone here been thru the process with a felony? I dont really want to leave it off the application.
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If you leave it off, you will be committing another crime. Disclose it everywhere that you are asked. You will certainly have to disclose it on your medical application (which will be required during your training and before you apply for a the license).
 
Another potential issue is if you're based at an airport that requires you to obtain a security badge for unescorted access to the aircraft operations area.
 
As I understand it, there actually are three potential issues.

The first issue is the medical, for which some crimes or patterns of crimes could be considered evidence of a "personality disorder." Dr. Bruce Chien is the person to ask about that one.

The second issue is TSA, which can block the issuance of a ticket based on an applicant's criminal record. However, that being said, I know a couple of pilots who received certificates despite having felonies that disqualified them from SIDA access (see the next issue). Other than not being able to obtain a SIDA badge until enough time since the felonies had elapsed, they had no problems.

The third issue is obtaining the aforementioned SIDA badge, if needed for unescorted access into "sterile areas" at the airport where you're based. This looks like it could very well be a problem based on the list of offenses in the document linked here:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2010-title49-vol9/pdf/CFR-2010-title49-vol9-sec1542-209.pdf

I'm not an expert, but if I were you I'd consult one before laying out big bucks. Either that or wait another two years until it becomes a non-issue.

-Rich
 
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You don't need a SIDA badge to be a private pilot, only to enter unescorted the security area of an air carrier airport, and that's a pretty rare need for a Private Pilot. And yes, the "good moral character" is only a requirement for ATP. Finally, an aviation attorney isn't the issue here, since this is an Aeromedical decision, not a legal one. The only way you need an aviation attorney here is if you omit the conviction and the FAA then finds out about it on their own. Bruce Chien is the one to ask about how Aeromedical will view this.

BTW, I thought the question was FAA issues. Obviously if you are based somewhere that the local airport authorities require their own security badge just to enter the non-SIDA portion of the airport, they may have their own say on this, but that's a local, not FAA, matter.
 
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kudos to the OP for manning up and not going anon on us. Scored a few cool points with me on this.

now....how do I do bank fraud without getting caught

just kidding:lol:
 
customandcollision said:
I am starting class for my pilots license thursday and have been told my felony from 8 years agor for a white collar crime will not be an issue in obtaining my private single engine license. Does anyone have any input on this
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Shouldn't be a problem. There is a registered sex offender that served time, got his CFI and is still teaching.
 
Do groups like "Young Eagles" or "Angel Flight" require background checks on pilots?

This is a different topic from the OP, who was asking about the certificate/medical issuance. This question is more towards what you can do with it later.
 
Jaybird180 said:
kudos to the OP for manning up and not going anon on us. Scored a few cool points with me on this.

now....how do I do bank fraud without getting caught

just kidding:lol:
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Well, as he was convicted, he can certainly steer you away from one method that will get you caught!
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ScottM said:
Shouldn't be a problem. There is a registered sex offender that served time, got his CFI and is still teaching.
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I don't get worked up over sex offenders. The title means nothing since they lump everyone from sex with children to urinating in public into the same label.

They really need to fix that issue. A sex offender should be just that. Not some guy who got drunk and relieved himself (peed) in a bush in a park late one night.

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Matthew said:
Do groups like "Young Eagles" or "Angel Flight" require background checks on pilots?

This is a different topic from the OP, who was asking about the certificate/medical issuance. This question is more towards what you can do with it later.
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My local Sheriff's Aero Squadron requires fingerprints and FBI check.
 
Captain said:
I don't get worked up over sex offenders. The title means nothing since they lump everyone from sex with children to urinating in public into the same label.

They really need to fix that issue. A sex offender should be just that. Not some guy who got drunk and relieved himself (peed) in a bush in a park late one night.

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Well - a lot of states have registries you can search. It shouldn't be too hard to differentiate the levels based on the conviction.
 
Captain said:
I don't get worked up over sex offenders. The title means nothing since they lump everyone from sex with children to urinating in public into the same label.

They really need to fix that issue. A sex offender should be just that. Not some guy who got drunk and relieved himself (peed) in a bush in a park late one night.

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The guy I am referring to had a problem with a small child, his daughter. Among other issues and crimes that landed him in jail for a while. He is, as far as I know, still and active pilot and flight instructor that is known to many on this and other Internet boards.
 
I plead guilty to a felony sex crime with my wife. Who was 30 at the time. It has been 7 years since I took the plea and 10 years since the "crime". No jail time. Just probation. Working on pilots license now and would like to make a career out of it. I'm just worried about getting a job. Anyone know anyone who has tried getting a job with a felony?
 
The operative date is the time since you were released from probation or otherwise had a disposition on the case. Sexual offenses aren't on the lifetime no-no list, but the TSA won't permit you to have SIDA access (which cuts off a lot of your job opportunities) if you are within five years of that disposition on sex felonies. Of course, you also have the issue of getting the medical. The fact you were convicted isn't hte biggest issue there but the problem that your conviction may indicate that you have a psychological issue.

Of course, in every state I am aware of (even the few with ban-the-box provisions), a conviction of a felony sex offense in the past ten years is going to make you not look as good as a non-criminal applicant.
 
flyingron said:
The operative date is the time since you were released from probation or otherwise had a disposition on the case. Sexual offenses aren't on the lifetime no-no list, but the TSA won't permit you to have SIDA access (which cuts off a lot of your job opportunities) if you are within five years of that disposition on sex felonies. Of course, you also have the issue of getting the medical. The fact you were convicted isn't hte biggest issue there but the problem that your conviction may indicate that you have a psychological issue.

Of course, in every state I am aware of (even the few with ban-the-box provisions), a conviction of a felony sex offense in the past ten years is going to make you not look as good as a non-criminal applicant.
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Wonder if being on a registered sex offender list affects thing (not saying he is on a list, just posing the question as to how that plays into "disposition")?

But yes, I completely agree that any felony conviction will affect the ability to get a job, especially with a 121 carrier.

If he has his heart set on a flying career, a few hours with a good attorney is time well spent.
 
NoHeat said:
Gosh, I didn't know that could happen.

Maybe I should stop peeing at the end of the hangar before I fly.
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College roommate got mouthy with arresting officer when he was caught drunkenly urinating on a building... She tacked on a few extra charges with sex offender consequences to show her appreciation for his lip. He spent lots of money on his lawyer to get it all squared away.
 
flyingron said:
The operative date is the time since you were released from probation or otherwise had a disposition on the case. Sexual offenses aren't on the lifetime no-no list, but the TSA won't permit you to have SIDA access (which cuts off a lot of your job opportunities) if you are within five years of that disposition on sex felonies. Of course, you also have the issue of getting the medical. The fact you were convicted isn't hte biggest issue there but the problem that your conviction may indicate that you have a psychological issue.

Of course, in every state I am aware of (even the few with ban-the-box provisions), a conviction of a felony sex offense in the past ten years is going to make you not look as good as a non-criminal applicant.
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Thank you for the info. Can I take the medical first? I took a private assessment prior to the court hearing to prove I wasn't any threat and also took post conviction assessments to prove I wasn't a threat. Been married 4.5 years since (new wife) and of course no new issues.
 
Phlying Phillip said:
I plead guilty to a felony sex crime with my wife. Who was 30 at the time. It has been 7 years since I took the plea and 10 years since the "crime". No jail time. Just probation. Working on pilots license now and would like to make a career out of it. I'm just worried about getting a job. Anyone know anyone who has tried getting a job with a felony?
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Phlying Phillip said:
Thank you for the info. Can I take the medical first? I took a private assessment prior to the court hearing to prove I wasn't any threat and also took post conviction assessments to prove I wasn't a threat. Been married 4.5 years since (new wife) and of course no new issues.
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So the new wife lets you do things that the first wife did not? What happens when new wife says no?
 
customandcollision said:
anyone here been thru the process with a felony? I dont really want to leave it off the application.
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Ba ha ha ha!!

Not the brightest crayon in the box are ya champ?

So you get busted and convicted for bank fraud.....and now....get this.... you want to lie (fraud) on a federal forum....about a easily found FRAUD charge!! :lol:

Some folks just don't learn from their mistakes, just a word to the [not so] wise, aviation isn't very forgiving, bringing your level of judgement into the sky might very well get yourself killed.


Good luck, I think you're going to need it.
 
SaltH2OHokie said:
College roommate got mouthy with arresting officer when he was caught drunkenly urinating on a building... She tacked on a few extra charges with sex offender consequences to show her appreciation for his lip. He spent lots of money on his lawyer to get it all squared away.
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Great to know a cop will invent felony charges because she was "dissed."
 
Captain said:
I don't get worked up over sex offenders. The title means nothing since they lump everyone from sex with children to urinating in public into the same label.
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What about peeing on children. Is that a sex crime?
 
deonb said:
So when is @eman1200 coming back anyway?
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I still get notifications in tapatalk (like this one).

Otherwise I have to be careful not to post anything that falls under a group of people's not-so-clearly-defined version of 'locker room talk'. Which might be construed as a felony around here.
 
paflyer said:
Great to know a cop will invent felony charges because she was "dissed."
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Beat me to it. Ugh. Not good behavior on either the person doing the deed's part, nor the officer's part.

eman1200 said:
I still get notifications in tapatalk (like this one).

Otherwise I have to be careful not to post anything that falls under a group of people's not-so-clearly-defined version of 'locker room talk'. Which might be construed as a felony around here.
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LOL! So you're saying if we post pics of people in genitalia costumes out in public, we should tag you? :)

And no, I'm not talking about protestors or politics, just photos of the dudes hanging out with their cans of PBR and fedoras downtown... hehehe.
 
There was an incident about a year ago at a local middle school. Someone's girlfriend sent him a picture that was determined to be of a "sexual nature". She was a minor. He forwarded it to another kid. Both boys were now in possession of kiddie-porn. Kid #2 didn't ask for it, didn't forward it, but had it on his phone. A couple local attorneys were on the radio explaining the way current State law works. Kid #2 was looking at a "sex offender" label on his record. The district attorney did have some discretion and adjusted the charges against him so that wouldn't happen. It was pretty big news locally, and an example of how quickly a lifetime label can stick. (Don't know what happened to kid #1.)
 
I believe there have been several cases where sexting or forwarding them have led to charges. Pure silliness.
 
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