tough landing for this Piper Malibu ...

No pictures of it after getting it out of the snow bank? The snow did look powdery.


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That runway looked a bit small unless I’m missing something..he didn’t stand a chance.
 
benyflyguy said:
That runway looked a bit small unless I’m missing something..he didn’t stand a chance.
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The runway is 1,762' at Courchevel (CVF/LFLJ), and if there was any ice on it, they are lucky they walked away from the accident. The airport is very similar to Tenzing–Hillary in Nepal: short runway and no room for go-around because of the surrounding terrain.
 
benyflyguy said:
That runway looked a bit small unless I’m missing something..he didn’t stand a chance.
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Bad camera angle. That runway has what can only be described as a ‘hill’ in the middle and the majority of that runway is on the other side of it. Here is a landing done right:

 
benyflyguy said:
That runway looked a bit small unless I’m missing something..he didn’t stand a chance.
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Hi did have a chance if there was no ice, DC-3, King Airs routinely land there. You land 'uphill' (18% slope there) so it helps with stopping. At least it looks like there was some ice or some additional piloting mistakes were made.
 
I’d land there no problem......no effing way I’m driving the snow plow. :)
 
Ouch if you land a tad short of the threshold. That snowbank was the gift of life in comparison.
 
deonb said:
Bad camera angle. That runway has what can only be described as a ‘hill’ in the middle and the majority of that runway is on the other side of it. Here is a landing done right:

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Wow that guy need some power to get up the hill!
This guy looks like he never landed there before. Just plopped it on that upper deck.
Looks like it would be fun to take off down that hill. Like taking off of a aircraft carrier getting a sling shot!!!
 
Slope not considered, that's a tall order for a Malibu/Mirage. (1700 feet) I generally fly the PA46s a few times a week and while not impossible, it's challenging to get 5 people in that airplane and be in the envelope. Pretty strong airframe though, I'm betting everyone was fine.
 
Arbiter419 said:
Slope not considered, that's a tall order for a Malibu/Mirage. (1700 feet) I generally fly the PA46s a few times a week and while not impossible, it's challenging to get 5 people in that airplane and be in the envelope. Pretty strong airframe though, I'm betting everyone was fine.
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"Slope not considered" doesn't really work there. The slope is crazy. Citations go in and out of there:

 
Dave Theisen said:
I’m guessing he landed way too far up the hill.
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I don’t think you can. The slope is to great to touchdown on the hill portion, you better be on wheels before going up hill.


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tceq24443 said:
Assuming nothing mechanical, another weekend warrior, lots of $$$, zero skill, I know of a few at my airport. Similar to weekend golfers:rolleyes:
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Also I believe special aircrew training /authorization is required to go there, you can’t just decide on a whim...


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gsengle said:
Also I believe special aircrew training /authorization is required to go there, you can’t just decide on a whim...


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I’ll bet with a bit of experience, landing there is pretty easy.

I don’t have any experience in Malibu-class equipment but landing on such a slope just requires arriving at the proper spot with the right amount of energy. It’s easy to hit the spot but energy management (speed) is a must.

Do that and you’d have a hard time rolling long. Screw up the speed and it looks like you’ll have a hard time not breaking something.


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tceq24443 said:
Assuming nothing mechanical, another weekend warrior, lots of $$$, zero skill, I know of a few at my airport. Similar to weekend golfers:rolleyes:
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I've seen pictures of a few commercial airliner overruns over the years. Hardly weekend warriors.

A little humility can go a long way in this game. Even the most experienced pilot can make a mistake.
 
gsengle said:
I don’t think you can. The slope is to great to touchdown on the hill portion, you better be on wheels before going up hill.
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It is the opposite, on the crest it would feel relatively flat, I am with Dave, he touched down too long or too fast or both. Also pilots routinely land there on the uphill portion. You need french pilot mountain authorization to go there or you can have site specific authorization.
 
Wonder what that missed looks like. Seems like the hill just steeply goes up. Maybe he just got stuck between decisions. Someone who has been there before would know you can’t touch down at the top. Not sure you could make the go around decision that late though.
Anybody familiar with surrounding terrain???
 
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olasek said:
It is the opposite, on the crest it would feel relatively flat, I am with Dave, he touched down too long or too fast or both. Also pilots routinely land there on the uphill portion. You need french pilot mountain authorization to go there or you can have site specific authorization.
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Yeah, the strip is mostly uphill, and merely flattens toward the top. No "hill in the middle".
 
olasek said:
It is the opposite, on the crest it would feel relatively flat, I am with Dave, he touched down too long or too fast or both. Also pilots routinely land there on the uphill portion. You need french pilot mountain authorization to go there or you can have site specific authorization.
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The first portion of the runway is flat, the second portion uphill and the third portion flat.

You don’t land on either the second or third portions. And the second is probably too steep. You need to touch down in the first portion.


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Kenny Phillips said:
Yeah, the strip is mostly uphill, and merely flattens toward the top. No "hill in the middle".
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See the photo. Flat/flatter at the threshold, then hill, then flat at top.


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I don't fully understand it all but I believe that Courcheval is a mountain airport. The hill is used for acceleration/deceleration. Take off downhill, land uphill. There is no go around.

Here is much smaller one not too far away.

The aircraft are likely Jodel's.

Tignes Altisurface (was Altiport)


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Yes! that really is a tower for a chairlift directly in line with and a few yards from the end of the runway.
Guess they don't do go arounds here for sure. Anyone interested could get a profile of the runway from google Earth which will display cross sections quite easily.
 
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Another video but this time showing his full landing/touchdown - clearly shown how he floated and touched down too late.


gsengle said:
The first portion of the runway is flat
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Actually what looks like "flat" is still a 12.5% slope, the next part is 18.7% slope.
 
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that is (or was) such a nice lookin' plane...….
 
olasek said:
Another video but this time showing his full landing/touchdown - clearly shown how he floated and touched down too late.



Actually what looks like "flat" is still a 12.5% slope, the next part is 18.7% slope.
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Yikes. He was smoking. By the time he floated to the top he had no options.
 
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