Too low!

That looks like a somewhat tight(small) runway for the new owner of the Bananza. I'd think he may of planned on touching down on the '1st brick', and came in low?

It said they did 10 landings at a nearby airport, then came back for a full stop, likely home for at least one of them.
 
It took me some getting used to that high sink rate with shorter wings, heavy nose and CS prop after flying a 172 for 3 yrs. If it gets under 70 kias on final, at full gross, better be ready on the throttle. I bet they install some orange balls on those lines. Glad they made it. Tough plane.
 
Hope for a fast and full recovery,of pilot and instructor.
 
Looks really low. I show telephone poles about 1/4 mile from the runway but high tension lines are at least 1 mile out. If he snagged telephone wires...:confused:
 
Glad they got away so well, and glad there was no fire. I would hope lines close to airports would have balls in them to mark their location.
 
RV10flyer said:
It took me some getting used to that high sink rate with shorter wings, heavy nose and CS prop after flying a 172 for 3 yrs. If it gets under 70 kias on final, at full gross, better be ready on the throttle. I bet they install some orange balls on those lines. Glad they made it. Tough plane.
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While I hope they both recover and glad they are safe, WTF was the instructor doing? You just can't chop the power off like that in a Bo and think it will glide in like a C172. They are lucky.
 
This was on my noon news today -- said they snagged the top wire with the prop and the bottom wire with the landing gear. Good aim!

And I agree with mscard -- what was the instructor doing? Any time in a Bo? Neither were seriously injured. Pilot says all he remembered was a flash of light and waking up in the plane. 400 homes were without power for awhile.
 
mscard88 said:
While I hope they both recover and glad they are safe, WTF was the instructor doing? You just can't chop the power off like that in a Bo and think it will glide in like a C172. They are lucky.
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I read that as the pilot was low, CFI thought the pilot was going to add power and instead pulled it.
 
Unit74 said:
I read that as the pilot was low, CFI thought the pilot was going to add power and instead pulled it.
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CFI has to be able to observe a trend and be proactive. It should not have occurred with a competent CFI and/or pilot being aware.

Here's what you're referring to:

he felt that the airplane was a little low, but thought that the pilot was making a flat, power-on approach, due to the crosswinds. Upon passing over a tree line, he stated that the pilot surprised him by pulling back the power instead of adding power. The airplane seem to sink into the power lines.
 
mscard88 said:
CFI has to be able to observe a trend and be proactive. It should not have occurred with a competent CFI and/or pilot being aware.

Here's what you're referring to:

he felt that the airplane was a little low, but thought that the pilot was making a flat, power-on approach, due to the crosswinds. Upon passing over a tree line, he stated that the pilot surprised him by pulling back the power instead of adding power. The airplane seem to sink into the power lines.
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both were rated so I don't see how the CFI is the bad guy here. Being a CFI doesn't have a crystal ball requirement last check of the PTS. The owner pilot bought that one.
 
Unit74 said:
both were rated so I don't see how the CFI is the bad guy here. Being a CFI doesn't have a crystal ball requirement last check of the PTS. The owner pilot bought that one.
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Oh I agree about with point, but also the CFI was checking him out so he gets blame too, maybe more because of the reasons I stated.
 
Wait.... What? I didn't see the point he was being checked out. Maybe the screaming from subtraction homework, the fight over a flat soccer ball and the dog puking up chicken bones he found in the trash had something to do with that.
 
Unit74 said:
Wait.... What? I didn't see the point he was being checked out. Maybe the screaming from subtraction homework, the fight over a flat soccer ball and the dog puking up chicken bones he found in the trash had something to do with that.
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The crash was at Gimlin Airport, an asphalt strip south of Ozark off Highway W south of Missouri 125, about 3:25 p.m. on Jan. 26. Nick Gilley, the new owner of the plane, was getting a flying lesson from a flight instructor. About an hour into the flight, while trying to land, Gilley hit some power lines about 1/4 mile south of the strip and the plane
 
Well, doesn't mean he was being checked out. Coulda been a FR, rusty pilot, scaredy-cat, IPC, etc, etc, etc.

Now that baths are done, the fight over legos has resulted in one in bed, two crying and a bottle of wine being consumed at illegal flow rates I'll read the whole thing I guess.
 
I wonder if Nick is related to Mickey. Mickey has a show about 30 min south of there.
 
Bobanna said:
Seems to me that a (paid) CFI has the higher command authority (responsibility) for the safe conduct of the flight. The "crosswind" story (BS) seems like a lame justification for allowing the aircraft to be driven to the runway. Bo's are great in a crosswind...no reason not to actually fly the airplane steep and slow on final -- use the slip for the crosswind and glide slope adjustment. This drag-it-in (low) approach is particularly dangerous at night. Why would an "instructor" allow it at all?
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PIC is who owns it, not the high time pilot. Who knows why it went sour. We are all just spitting in the wind at this point anyway.
 
One thing to add to the speculation. They had been doing touch and goes at another field, then returned to Gimlin. The 60ft wide listed is overly optimistic, it is very narrow. There's a good chance his sight picture put him low and added to the pressure of putting a Bo on a small strip, he over corrected what he thought was a climb on glideslope. Just a guess.
 
Unit74 said:
PIC is who owns it, not the high time pilot. Who knows why it went sour. We are all just spitting in the wind at this point anyway.
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Isn't that what we do here

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Unit74 said:
Wait.... What? I didn't see the point he was being checked out. Maybe the screaming from subtraction homework, the fight over a flat soccer ball and the dog puking up chicken bones he found in the trash had something to do with that.
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"220, 221. Whatever it takes"
 
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