To Stalls stress the aircraft

[mkosmo]

I haven't been in a plane yet that wouldn't do them well. Heck, look at AF447, they did a 3 minute falling leaf stall perfect all the way down, even with a recovery.

Oh man, that's so morbid, but so true.

 

[Jimmy cooper]

Oh man, that's so morbid, but so true.

The AF pilot who stalled the B52 at Fairchild did poorly. ( he had been asking for it for some time) the test pilot from Boeing did a highly commendable slow roll in a 707, over the SFBB shortly after the initial roll out! The president of Boeing , it's reported, was not amused.

 

[SixPapaCharlie]

Fairchild pilot was a jackass that had no business being behind the controls.
He was the opposite. Not timid enough and they should have pulled his ticket.
Instead they gave him a baby sitter which he killed. I will never understand how that was allowed given what information we have on him.

 

[Velocity173]

Fairchild pilot was a jackass that had no business being behind the controls.
He was the opposite. Not timid enough and they should have pulled his ticket.
Instead they gave him a baby sitter which he killed. I will never understand how that was allowed given what information we have on him.

Because in military aviation there's a fine line between showing off and flying tactically. It's also kind of a culture that occurs in some units where flying aggressively is respected. Then you have the fact that this guy was a standardization pilot. Put it all together and you have a situation where his superiors ignored his disregard for adhering to the regs.

Because of that accident and many like it, units today have reined in most of these "cowboys."

 

[dlsmith]

I haven't been in a plane yet that wouldn't do them well. Heck, look at AF447, they did a 3 minute falling leaf stall perfect all the way down, even with a recovery.

Morbid indeed, but you make a solid point

 

[brian]]

Totally agree with this. Tons of fun too, especially if you have something with a rudder that stays effective at low speeds.

Should get mine back by the end of the month with re-rigged flight controls. Hoping to do some stalls like this. However, I'm still not good enough in the -35 to get the "mushy" feeling - like in a 172. There is always a break, but that might be my lazy feet ... should know in a couple of months...

 

[Jimmy cooper]

Every pp should be able to demonstrate stall recovery and unusual attitude recovery, in my not so humble opinion.

 

[nosehair]

You are entitled to that opinion, but the reason the FAA added it to the PP-Airplane requirements was because of the number of non-IR PP's killed by "inadvertent VFR into IMC" accidents.

From the Airplane Flying Handbook, faa-h-8083-3a, Chapter 3, Basic Flight Maneuvers, pg. 3-3 under Integrated Flight Instruction, which introduces the training concept to beginning pilots, to learn and use flight instrument indications along with the outside visual references.
Pg. 3-4 says: "The use of integrated flight instruction does not, and is not intended, to prepare pilots for flight in instrument weather conditions."

That is the basis for the regulatory term "control by reference to instruments", instead of integrated"instrument training".

I only make the point because it is BASIC INSTRUMENTS, and the basic scan visual images should be done in the first beginning hours, instead of lumped into a "prep for checkride or emergency instrument training" drill, which it has become.

 

[Henning]

From the Airplane Flying Handbook, faa-h-8083-3a, Chapter 3, Basic Flight Maneuvers, pg. 3-3 under Integrated Flight Instruction, which introduces the training concept to beginning pilots, to learn and use flight instrument indications along with the outside visual references.
Pg. 3-4 says: "The use of integrated flight instruction does not, and is not intended, to prepare pilots for flight in instrument weather conditions."

That is the basis for the regulatory term "control by reference to instruments", instead of integrated"instrument training".

I only make the point because it is BASIC INSTRUMENTS, and the basic scan visual images should be done in the first beginning hours, instead of lumped into a "prep for checkride or emergency instrument training" drill, which it has become.

Of course, that has to be said, it's not meant to be an IR, it's not meant to get you ready to fly IFR, it's about keeping you alive for 3-5 minutes until you do a good 180 turn and or controlled change of altitude to extract yourself from inadvertent IMC.

 

[nosehair]

Of course, that has to be said, it's not meant to be an IR, it's not meant to get you ready to fly IFR, it's about keeping you alive for 3-5 minutes until you do a good 180 turn and or controlled change of altitude to extract yourself from inadvertent IMC.

There, you see how you Said that, "it's meant to keep you alive while you make a 180."
When the Handbook clearly says it is not intended to prepare you to fly in imc .
That emergency 180 may be a side benifit of the integrated flight instruction, but it is not intended to be the motivation.
The intent and motivation should be in small 5 and 10 minute increments in each beginning lesson with the basic maneuvers; straight-and-level, level turns, climbs glides, steep turns, stalls, etc. So that the beginning pilot learns visual reference cross checked with instrument reference.
My focus is on the precision of aircraft control in vfr conditions, while your focus is on surviving accidental imc.
I believe that proper focus of a/c control in the beginning lessons will automatically give the beginning pilot with the best chance of survival in imc.

 

[Henning]

There, you see how you Said that, "it's meant to keep you alive while you make a 180."
When the Handbook clearly says it is not intended to prepare you to fly in imc .
That emergency 180 may be a side benifit of the integrated flight instruction, but it is not intended to be the motivation.
The intent and motivation should be in small 5 and 10 minute increments in each beginning lesson with the basic maneuvers; straight-and-level, level turns, climbs glides, steep turns, stalls, etc. So that the beginning pilot learns visual reference cross checked with instrument reference.
My focus is on the precision of aircraft control in vfr conditions, while your focus is on surviving accidental imc.
I believe that proper focus of a/c control in the beginning lessons will automatically give the beginning pilot with the best chance of survival in imc.

Correct, that isn't flying in IMC, that is extracting yourself from inadvertent IMC. You aren't prepared to fly in it, but you might survive the incursion with a good basis.