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Dave Siciliano

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So, you walk into a very nice restaurant with reservations and they begin to seat you somewhere undesirable. How to you get them to redirect you? I have offered a tip on occasion but it may be tricky as one has to know who to tip and it should be done discretely.

What do y'all think?

Second, I still had trouble tipping at a buffet. Some have extra services like a chef to do omelettes. How do you handle that. We got all our own food. Wait staff brought drinks and had us sign a tab to our room only. Chef prepared an omelette. Bill had room for a tip. What would you have done? Nice place at the hotel; good food, white cloth table cloths, etc.

Dave
 
So, you walk into a very nice restaurant with reservations and they begin to seat you somewhere undesirable. How to you get them to redirect you? I have offered a tip on occasion but it may be tricky as one has to know who to tip and it should be done discretely.

What do y'all think?

Second, I still had trouble tipping at a buffet. Some have extra services like a chef to do omelettes. How do you handle that. We got all our own food. Wait staff brought drinks and had us sign a tab to our room only. Chef prepared an omelette. Bill had room for a tip. What would you have done? Nice place at the hotel; good food, white cloth table cloths, etc.

Dave

Standard service = standard tip of 20%. Tips are undoubtedly divided by staff. It's your's to enjoy, don't sweat the details.
 
There is a concierge here at Sheraton Maui; does one tip them? Do they get one better reservations if used or is one just as well off calling direct?

Can't believe I'm still trying to figure all this out.


Valet: if hotel charges say $20 per day for valet parking, when does one tip the folks that actually take and bring the car?

Dave
 
So, you walk into a very nice restaurant with reservations and they begin to seat you somewhere undesirable. How to you get them to redirect you? I have offered a tip on occasion but it may be tricky as one has to know who to tip and it should be done discretely.

What do y'all think?

Second, I still had trouble tipping at a buffet. Some have extra services like a chef to do omelettes. How do you handle that. We got all our own food. Wait staff brought drinks and had us sign a tab to our room only. Chef prepared an omelette. Bill had room for a tip. What would you have done? Nice place at the hotel; good food, white cloth table cloths, etc.

Dave

If I'm shown to an undesirable table and there are better ones available I'll request something better before sitting down. If I'm not accommodated when I feel there's no valid reason I'll most likely leave. While I'm willing to tip the wait staff for their service (minimum wage just doesn't give them enough for their work), paying the host for a better seat seems more like bribery/graft than tipping to me. Of course, that's assuming the majority of the tables are OK and I was led to one of the few locations with very undesirable features. If there's only one or two "premium" spots I'd feel better about bribing my way (assuming I felt the need).

WRT the buffet, my tipping depends on the level of service. If they just pour me a glass of water (coffee for you caffine junkies) and clear the table when I leave I'm likely to leave 5-10% (min $1). If the help is very attentive I'll go 15% and might consider more if they're working hard to keep me happy.
 
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Dave,

Restaurants: I tend to tip fairly generously. 18-22%, depending on service. I tend to tip a little higher percentage-wise at the "cheaper" places - 20-ish% or so, and something around 18% for good service at an expensive place. But I vary that for service (I've gotten outstanding service at an inexpensive place for which the tip was north of 20%, and I've gotten rotten service at a very expensive place where I tipped at 15% or below).

If it's a "cafeteria" and not a "buffet", no tip. If it's a buffet and there is some service, such as fetching drinks, seating you, making sure you have what you need - I tip, usually in the 10-15% range. If it's a deal where it's a sit down restaurant and you choose between a buffet & menu order, I tip at 15% or so even if I choose the buffet.

If you get a bill that has "service included" or "service charge" applied, no tip is required. But if the service charge is 15% and you get exceptional service, I tend to leave a little extra.

Valet parking: I tip a buck or two depending on where it is and how fast they are with the car. 15-20 minutes to get the car and they're not too busy? I might not tip. At one hotel they mixed up my car with someone else. Oops. No tip. Prompt response, holding the door open, no evidence of joy-ride, etc. I tip at $2+.

As for the Matre d'Hotel. In some places it's expected. Vegas, for example, the M-d tends to have their hands out. Greasing palms will get you a better table. Don't know about Hawaii - my test is to ask for a better table and watch the reaction for expectations. The best way to handle it is to ask for seating in a particular area when you make reservations: "may I have a table by the windows". Note that some restaurants (the "power-broker" restaurants in DC, NY, Chicagah, etc) tend to have "regular" tables for their "regular" high-profile customers. Those are places where tipping won't generally help. In Germany, I found a number of resorts had "reserved" tables for their guests - the same table was "thiers" every day. Tipping is pointless.

At B&B and some full-service hotels, I'll leave a small tip for the housekeeper. Not everywhere, and not typically at chain hotels. Some resorts it's expected. A couple of bucks a day.

Tipping is expected for room service, bellhops, etc, and doormen that fetch taxis.

In much of Europe, the service charge is included in the restaurant bill. But some countries have local customs - for example, in parts of Switzerland the local custom is to round up the bill (which includes service) to the nearest 5-10 SFr.

Many of the service folks are underpaid since the minimum wage can be lower if tipping is expected. Terrible system.

Hope that helps.
 
Seating at the resturant, slip the hostess or maitre d a tip and point out the table you would like as you walk in. Doing this an hour or more beforehand will help assure you get the table you want.

Buffet, if there is independant tipping to be done for line service, that station will have its own tip jar, other than that, just fill in the total tip on the bill, the staff most likely splits it at the end of the shift.

Concierge....as a person who has been on the service provider end, you are typically better off making the call yourself as concierges and other booking agents get 10% or more from the service provider. The exception to this would be tickets to a show where the concierge may be able to provide you with better seats out of the stock reserved for them.

Valet.... You're in a rental car, slip them a couple of bucks.
 
Dave,

Valet parking: I tip a buck or two depending on where it is and how fast they are with the car. 15-20 minutes to get the car and they're not too busy? I might not tip. At one hotel they mixed up my car with someone else. Oops. No tip. Prompt response, holding the door open, no evidence of joy-ride, etc. I tip at $2+.

Many of the service folks are underpaid since the minimum wage can be lower if tipping is expected. Terrible system.
Hope that helps.


Wow, either you are blessed with a low cost of living, or a student of my acquaintance had a really hot job. He paid for ALL of his Private Pilot training with his tips from valet parking at the Ruth's Chris in Philly. He told me that $150-200 a night was not unusual, and some really fine occasions would double that. Pretty good for a college student.
But I suspect he is doing even better with less effort now, with his engineering degree.
 
No wonder some of you folks can afford to fly....A little while back we stayed 5 days at the Hamilton crowne plaza in DC. Rooms were paid for by a friend.
I think I spent about 200 in tips easy.....20 to the valet when giving him the rental, 10 when we left....conceierge, bellman, etc.....

Remember, waiters and waitresses make less then min wage in some places as tips are expected.
 
Thanks for the help! It bothers me to tip the valet when the motel is also charging. They have to get the car when we want it; then, take it when were done. If we go in and out a few times, it gets a,bit crazy.
 
The way I see it - if you're going to a very expensive restaurant, you're paying money in return for above average consideration. In other words, I expect them to really try to accommodate all my reasonable requests. If I'm handing over $400 for dinner, I don't want to have to feel bad about asking for a different table. So I'll just ask for a different one.

Same for the hotels. The more expensive it is, the more service I take for granted. I always give the valet $2-3 unless they annoy me somehow.
 
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One I did not learn til later was hotel room cleaning staff - a few bucks each cleaning. Leave it on the bed.
 
Wow, either you are blessed with a low cost of living, or a student of my acquaintance had a really hot job. He paid for ALL of his Private Pilot training with his tips from valet parking at the Ruth's Chris in Philly. He told me that $150-200 a night was not unusual, and some really fine occasions would double that. Pretty good for a college student.

As I said, it depends on where and the level of service. If he moved 75 cars in a night, that's $150 pretty easy - and for good service, it's easy to make more. For a 4 hour stint, 75 cars is easy work.
 
Thanks for the help! It bothers me to tip the valet when the motel is also charging.
That money is typically split between the company and the hotel. The folks that move cars see very little of it.

No wonder some of you folks can afford to fly....A little while back we stayed 5 days at the Hamilton crowne plaza in DC. Rooms were paid for by a friend.
I think I spent about 200 in tips easy.....20 to the valet when giving him the rental, 10 when we left....conceierge, bellman, etc.....

Remember, waiters and waitresses make less then min wage in some places as tips are expected.

You tip better than I then. $20 tip to park the car is on the high side, IMHO. (But $20/day parking "fee", plus a tip, is in the range).

BTW, the nicer the car, the more you ought to tip. Consider it "protection" money.... :eek:
 
I usually tip the valet a dollar or two. The same for the van driver.

At a "free" breakfast buffet I will usually leave a dollar if someone comes over to pour coffee or juice. If it's a pay buffet I'll probably leave 10-15%.

I've never been in the position to ask for a better table at a restaurant but I remember my stepfather slipping the maitre'd money for this. That was a long time ago, though.

My first experience with no tipping was recently in Japan. It's a good thing we researched etiquette on the internet a couple days before or I would have had no idea. It felt weird at first, especially since I have rarely received such good service and attention in the US, but I like that system. It takes the guesswork out.
 
I usually tip the valet a dollar or two. The same for the van driver.

At a "free" breakfast buffet I will usually leave a dollar if someone comes over to pour coffee or juice. If it's a pay buffet I'll probably leave 10-15%.

I've never been in the position to ask for a better table at a restaurant but I remember my stepfather slipping the maitre'd money for this. That was a long time ago, though.

My first experience with no tipping was recently in Japan. It's a good thing we researched etiquette on the internet a couple days before or I would have had no idea. It felt weird at first, especially since I have rarely received such good service and attention in the US, but I like that system. It takes the guesswork out.

One handy thing about traveling for my employer is that every time I schedule travel outside the US I get an e-mail that covers a bunch of items of interest, including local customs. Tipping (or the lack thereof) is always one of the topics.

That said, tipping in the US is annoying. Who do you tip? How much? Do you tip in a buffet line setting? How much? And the percentage that "they" say is appropriate changes with time. I remember when 10% was the standard for good service. Now some are saying 20%? Not me. 15% rounded up to the next 25 cents. And that's based on the pre-tax number. I've seen some credit card slips with suggested amounts based on 15%, 20% and 25% (no freaking way!) and then those were based on the amount including tax. What do I look like? A walking ATM? Restaurants are more expensive than back in the 10% tip days and now "they" think I should tip a higher percentage of that higher bill? Dream on.

Japan and other "no tipping" countries are greatly appreciated when I travel. And, the service doesn't suffer, either.
 
One I did not learn til later was hotel room cleaning staff - a few bucks each cleaning. Leave it on the bed.

We do that right away Dave. Asked the house keeper for extra tea and shampoo/conditioner.
We got plenty of each and extra service--cleaning and she asked what else we needed. Makes a difference here. At some places, it didn't.

Best,

Dave
 
One handy thing about traveling for my employer is that every time I schedule travel outside the US I get an e-mail that covers a bunch of items of interest, including local customs. Tipping (or the lack thereof) is always one of the topics.
That's the difference between working for a large company with a lot of corporate knowledge of overseas travel and one that doesn't. Our experience has been limited to North and Central America. Japan was way outside the box. We were going to be happy if we made it there and back successfully. Tipping wasn't on the radar.
 
The only problem I have with cultures that do not tip is, it seems yet another step away from rewarding folks who work hard. We can start another thread in sz if desired, so as to not wreck Dave's. I love to tip heavily when people bust it to get me what I want! Anything else seems like socialism to me (everyone gets the same pay regardless of effort and there is no incentive to work harder),
 
The only problem I have with cultures that do not tip is, it seems yet another step away from rewarding folks who work hard. We can start another thread in sz if desired, so as to not wreck Dave's. I love to tip heavily when people bust it to get me what I want! Anything else seems like socialism to me (everyone gets the same pay regardless of effort and there is no incentive to work harder),

Dave, problem is that many places now pool the tips and give everyone a cut. I'm OK with that for places that share with folks you don't see (bus people, kitchen help, etc.), but it does reward even those that don't work hard.
 
The only problem I have with cultures that do not tip is, it seems yet another step away from rewarding folks who work hard. We can start another thread in sz if desired, so as to not wreck Dave's. I love to tip heavily when people bust it to get me what I want! Anything else seems like socialism to me (everyone gets the same pay regardless of effort and there is no incentive to work harder),
The other problem is that tipping is the norm here. People expect it and you are a deadbeat if you don't tip. Besides, at least in some states, the minimum wage is set lower for jobs where the worker traditionally gets tips. I was a waitress in Colorado for a short while and that was definitely the case here at that time.

There's also the school of thought that tipping is a bit of an insult. I think that may be part of the case in some non-tipping countries. People feel that they don't need anything extra for doing their job. I actually know some pilots who feel this way, not that we get offered that many tips mind you. Most, like me, will smile and gladly accept. We are a bit like limo drivers, after all.
 
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One handy thing about traveling for my employer is that every time I schedule travel outside the US I get an e-mail that covers a bunch of items of interest, including local customs. Tipping (or the lack thereof) is always one of the topics.

That said, tipping in the US is annoying. Who do you tip? How much? Do you tip in a buffet line setting? How much? And the percentage that "they" say is appropriate changes with time. I remember when 10% was the standard for good service. Now some are saying 20%? Not me. 15% rounded up to the next 25 cents. And that's based on the pre-tax number. I've seen some credit card slips with suggested amounts based on 15%, 20% and 25% (no freaking way!) and then those were based on the amount including tax. What do I look like? A walking ATM? Restaurants are more expensive than back in the 10% tip days and now "they" think I should tip a higher percentage of that higher bill? Dream on.

Japan and other "no tipping" countries are greatly appreciated when I travel. And, the service doesn't suffer, either.

I agree with you 100%. One episode that really irritated me was having the lunch buffet at a bigname hotel. They added an automatic 18% for bringing me a glass of water (and the bill, of course) - everything else I went and picked up myself! I am happy to tip reasonably for reasonable service, generously for great service - and won't hesitate to stiff 'em for lousy service.

Dave
 
The only problem I have with cultures that do not tip is, it seems yet another step away from rewarding folks who work hard. We can start another thread in sz if desired, so as to not wreck Dave's. I love to tip heavily when people bust it to get me what I want! Anything else seems like socialism to me (everyone gets the same pay regardless of effort and there is no incentive to work harder),
Of course it's socialism. This country, like most western countries, is built on a socialist system (some more than others of course).

I like what some countries do - no tip is expected, but you're free to tip, and the wages for restaurant, etc., staff are just higher than here (ie. they are reasonable and not $2.5/hr like in some states). So great service is rewarded, but people don't rely on tips to survive.

-Felix
 
I had a big shock when I moved to Tx from Ontario.
Back in the 'old country' (this was 20 years ago), the waitresses were surly and fairly put out if you asked for anything unusual, like a half-warm meal or a glass of water, or to stop talking to the boyfriend on the phone. And tips were downplayed by everyone I knew.
My first stop in Tx was College Station, some chain restaurant. The waitress was actually friendly! Smiled! I did not have to go on a hunt into the kitchen to find her in order to get a refill! I have almost uniformly had similar experiences everywhere in the US.

The tip system seems to mean something here and produces results. That is my impression, I realize others will have different ones, this being such a huge country. And Ontario may well have changed, I will find out in Sept.
 
Dave:

Re-learning Canajun:

"Take off, you hosers."
"Back bacon, eh?"
"Eh?"
"Tim Horton's." <<<--- still not entirely clear on wht Tim Horton's is.

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In Australia, tipping is pretty much unheard-of, but service was generally good. Nice folks there.
 
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The only problem I have with cultures that do not tip is, it seems yet another step away from rewarding folks who work hard. We can start another thread in sz if desired, so as to not wreck Dave's. I love to tip heavily when people bust it to get me what I want! Anything else seems like socialism to me (everyone gets the same pay regardless of effort and there is no incentive to work harder),

Australia is basically a "no tipping" culture and the service there shows it.:vomit:
 
In Australia, tipping is pretty much unheard-of, but service was generally good. Nice folks there.

Don't know where you went, three years living there and that was not my experience, and they have the highest paid wait staff in the world.

BTW, Tim Hortons = Dennys +/-
 
There's also the school of thought that tipping is a bit of an insult. I think that may be part of the case in some non-tipping countries. People feel that they don't need anything extra for doing their job. I actually know some pilots who feel this way, not that we get offered that many tips mind you. Most, like me, will smile and gladly accept. We are a bit like limo drivers, after all.

Indonesia is basically a no tipping country, but if you tip here, the waitress will come home with you. I tipped 100,000 Rupiah($10) here the other day on a $100 crab feast, the girl was about to **** my **** at the table....
 
Don't know where you went, three years living there and that was not my experience, and they have the highest paid wait staff in the world.

BTW, Tim Hortons = Dennys +/-

Adelaide. Maybe quality of service was affected by the fact that many places to which we went were places at which my sister was at least known.
 
Current plans are to look into this for our annual trip next year.

Best,

Dave


It takes a week to get over the jetlag, and it's one long a$$ed flight. Can't imagine why anyone would subject themselves to it for Aus. If you want to visit the southern hemisphere, I would recommend New Zealand, much prettier.
 
Actually, there are several things driving the trip destination. Nieces decided that's where they want to go. Friend has offered the use of his home for HQ and he has a Baron!
We're just exploring, but my oldest niece has a very close friend that was there six months and has some wonderful things to say about visiting there.

Best,

Dave
 
Actually, there are several things driving the trip destination. Nieces decided that's where they want to go. Friend has offered the use of his home for HQ and he has a Baron!
We're just exploring, but my oldest niece has a very close friend that was there six months and has some wonderful things to say about visiting there.

Best,

Dave

Where is his house?
 
BTW, Tim Hortons = Dennys +/-
Tim Horton's is more like a Dunkin Donuts/McDonalds. It's not a sit-down place like Dennys. We go there occasionally when we are in a hurry.
 
Tim Horton's is more like a Dunkin Donuts/McDonalds. It's not a sit-down place like Dennys. We go there occasionally when we are in a hurry.

So you can get crullers, eh?
 
My first stop in Tx was College Station, some chain restaurant. The waitress was actually friendly! Smiled! I did not have to go on a hunt into the kitchen to find her in order to get a refill! I have almost uniformly had similar experiences everywhere in the US.
Not me. I have had plenty of bad service in various places in the US. I think Texas tends to be friendlier than most though.

The tip system seems to mean something here and produces results.
But they tip in Canada too. In fact they expect about the same amount. Canada seems to be a test market for these credit card machines that they bring to your table at restaurants. There is a prominent place to fill in the tip. In fact I have sometimes seen them pre-set at 15% or 18% and you need to go out of your way to change it.

That is my impression, I realize others will have different ones, this being such a huge country. And Ontario may well have changed, I will find out in Sept.
I have observed that the culture/attitude of places in Canada are pretty much equivalent to their US counterpart locations directly south. So Vancouver is much like Seattle, Calgary is definitely like Denver and Toronto is a big east coast city (yeah I know it's not actually on the coast).
 
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But they tip in Canada too. In fact they expect about the same amount. Canada seems to be a test market for these credit card machines that they bring to your table at restaurants. There is a prominent place to fill in the tip. In fact I have sometimes seen them pre-set at 15% or 18% and you need to go out of your way to change it.

Which I don't, which means that most wait staff screw themselves because generally I tip more.

I waited tables at a friends restaurant for a few weeks to get him out of a bind. It was the best place in the Keys at the time. On table over 6 we had the option of including the 18% tip, I never did. I worked an average of 5 tables a night and pull in $400-$500 a night in tips in a 5 hr shift.
 
Which I don't, which means that most wait staff screw themselves because generally I tip more.
I don't think it is the wait staff who are setting the machines. But I agree. I occasionally run into situations where gratuity is added and it is usually less than I would have normally given.
 
I don't think it is the wait staff who are setting the machines. But I agree. I occasionally run into situations where gratuity is added and it is usually less than I would have normally given.

IME, while it is the house that sets the amount of the included tip, usually the staff is given the option of including or not. May be different in Canada.
 
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