Thinking of upgrading from my 182

Supereri said:
So, most common scenario is wife and I with week/weekend bags. But, I'd like the option for 4 for short $100 hamburgers. figure 800 pounds plus 2.5h of fuel as a worst case. I think this puts it somewhere around 1000-1100 pounds of useful for a 5% use case type of flight. With the exception of some late model M20J and the M20k models this looks pretty doable. If I did an M20k this would just restrict my ability to take all 4 of us on flights. This is rare if I'm being honest with myself.
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FWIW, My Ovation's useful load is 1,059 pounds and works well for the sorts of missions you're talking about.
AA5Bman said:
Mooneys should be discarded entirely for comfort reasons at 2+ bills.
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This is only true if you're significantly below average height. I'm 6'4" 325# and the Mooney is one of the most comfortable singles I've ever flown.
Supereri said:
It's a 1963 182F. I think 130 is pretty on target without wheel pants for the older planes. That's 130 knots true. I think the newer 182s are a bit cleaner and true a bit faster. Maybe I'm wrong?
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Nope, that sounds pretty much right on. I have about 500 hours in a 1971 182N and it was about 130 without the pants and 135 with. Maybe 3 knots faster on a good day. OTOH, a brand new 182 with G1000 and not so much in the way of dirt or dents can easily do 140+.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
FWIW, My Ovation's useful load is 1,059 pounds and works well for the sorts of missions you're talking about.
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Yeah, but the OP's budget has been stated as $200K or less, which is already a jump from the $150K he was originally targeting. Even a 90s-era Ovation in decent shape is going to be well beyond that.
 
traumamed said:
Yeah, but the OP's budget has been stated as $200K or less, which is already a jump from the $150K he was originally targeting. Even a 90s-era Ovation in decent shape is going to be well beyond that.
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Dang. Time to update my insurance again? :eek:
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Dang. Time to update my insurance again? :eek:
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Lol it would seem so. Over on Controller, pretty much every 90s-early aughts Ovation is listed in the mid-high 200s. Obviously ask and sell price are two different things, but they won't be 20-30% apart. There is one from 1994 at $182K, but that thing still has basically a 1994 panel and interior. By the time the new owner is done updating it, they'll be at $250-300K.
 
traumamed said:
Lol it would seem so. Over on Controller, pretty much every 90s-early aughts Ovation is listed in the mid-high 200s. Obviously ask and sell price are two different things, but they won't be 20-30% apart. There is one from 1994 at $182K, but that thing still has basically a 1994 panel and interior. By the time the new owner is done updating it, they'll be at $250-300K.
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Wow. This one is 10 serials newer than mine, nearly identical TTAF&E, but has TKS, G3X Touch and GFC500 for $295K: https://www.controller.com/listing/...97-mooney-m20r-ovation-piston-single-aircraft

Looking at the rest of what's on Controller, mine's probably worth 20% more than I have it insured for... And I just updated hull value either last year or the year before! :eek:
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Wow. This one is 10 serials newer than mine, nearly identical TTAF&E, but has TKS, G3X Touch and GFC500 for $295K: https://www.controller.com/listing/...97-mooney-m20r-ovation-piston-single-aircraft

Looking at the rest of what's on Controller, mine's probably worth 20% more than I have it insured for... And I just updated hull value either last year or the year before! :eek:
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That sounds about right. My Turbo Arrow appears to be up 10% from my purchase price, and I bought it just under a year ago.

Maybe the OP's plane is worth more than he thinks.
 
traumamed said:
That sounds about right. My Turbo Arrow appears to be up 10% from my purchase price, and I bought it just under a year ago.

Maybe the OP's plane is worth more than he thinks.
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Considering purchase price plus two major avionics upgrades, we've had ours for 10+ years now and it's worth 50% more than we've got in it!

This tells me that the smart thing to do with my money is to buy more airplanes. :D :D :D
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Considering purchase price plus two major avionics upgrades, we've had ours for 10+ years now and it's worth 50% more than we've got in it!

This tells me that the smart thing to do with my money is to buy more airplanes. :D :D :D
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Lol but how much less is the dollar worth compared to when you bought the plane? ;) A couple months ago, I sold a five-year-old boat trailer that I bought new. I sold it for the exact price I paid for it brand new. I thought that was pretty cool until my wife had to ruin it for me by saying, "how much more do you make now than you did five years ago?" ~35%. "How much more are our houses worth?" ~50%. "How much more does it cost to go out to eat?" ~40%. "So then, dear, it sounds like you sold it for around 40% less than you paid for it."

Point being, your argument unfortunately will not fly in my house, literally or figuratively.
 
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I couldn’t afford to buy the house today that we bought six years ago.

If I sold it today I’d make a lot of profit, but not enough to buy a similar house.

For airplanes its worse in a way because of the additional money spent on maintenance, repairs, avionics what not, etc.
 
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traumamed said:
Lol but how much less is the dollar worth compared to when you bought the plane? ;) A couple months ago, I sold a five-year-old boat trailer that I bought new. I sold it for the exact price I paid for it brand new. I thought that was pretty cool until my wife had to ruin it for me by saying, "how much more do you make now than you did five years ago?" ~35%. "How much more are our houses worth?" ~50%. "How much more does it cost to go out to eat?" ~40%. "So then, dear, it sounds like you sold it for around 40% less than you paid for it."

Point being, your argument unfortunately will not fly in my house, literally or figuratively.
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We can help with fairings for any Cessna wheels.
 

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texasclouds said:
The only thing to do is go buy a plane with best looking paint job you can afford…
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Yeah - the misc things like the engine, avionics, electrical system, etc. can just be assumed to be OK.
 
WDD said:
Yeah - the misc things like the engine, avionics, electrical system, etc. can just be assumed to be OK.
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Those things are super cheap and quick to take care of afterwards anyway.
 
traumamed said:
Lol but how much less is the dollar worth compared to when you bought the plane? ;) A couple months ago, I sold a five-year-old boat trailer that I bought new. I sold it for the exact price I paid for it brand new. I thought that was pretty cool until my wife had to ruin it for me by saying, "how much more do you make now than you did five years ago?" ~35%. "How much more are our houses worth?" ~50%. "How much more does it cost to go out to eat?" ~40%. "So then, dear, it sounds like you sold it for around 40% less than you paid for it."

Point being, your argument unfortunately will not fly in my house, literally or figuratively.
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We are selling some property and have a farm tractor to sell with it or separately. We’ve been offered almost 20% more than we paid for it in 2018, but it appears the new ones are about double what we paid!
 
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