There was a murder at my house ...

[Kenny Phillips]

And it's gone unsolved for what will be twenty years in June, so one of the local stations did a bit on it for sweeps week. I had collected a lot of stuff about the murder, and they used some in their report. The s/o and I are big true crime fans, and bought the house knowing about the murder.

https://www.fox19.com/2020/02/11/execution-style-killing-west-chester-man-his-dogs-remains-unsolved/

 

[TFulwider]

I clicked on the thread expecting to see a picture of a bird that your cat brought home as a trophy or a plate that had been licked clean after "killing" a great meal. But dude, there was a murder at your house!!

 

[PaulS]

Holy smokes, shot 9 times! Hopefully it wasn't a former owner who was foreclosed and seeking revenge on future owners!

 

[Kenny Phillips]

I clicked on the thread expecting to see a picture of a bird that your cat brought home as a trophy or a plate that had been licked clean after "killing" a great meal. But dude, there was a murder at your house!!

Yep. The real thing.
Last year, we pulled up the carpet in the finished basement to expand my wood shop, and there were still bloodstains in the corners (from the dogs, who were killed down there.)
That was the only murder in West Chester (formerly Union) Township, the largest in Ohio, in 2000. We removed the vegetation that would shield someone entering from the rear.

 

[Kenny Phillips]

Holy smokes, shot 9 times! Hopefully it wasn't a former owner who was foreclosed and seeking revenge on future owners!

Cops are thinking perhaps husband/son/boyfriend of someone he was chatting with (via telephone dating line). Today there would be huge computer forensics involved. Not so much then, and the phone records weren't perfect, I am told.

 

[JB1842]

Wife was out of town, left work early, got home later than normal. Dude was getting some on the side and jealous husband/boyfriend took him out. But you are a brave person buying a house someone was killed in. I don't think I could do it. In my town, there has been a house on sale for close to a year now where a teenager killed his mom then himself.

 

[Kenny Phillips]

Wife was out of town, left work early, got home later than normal. Dude was getting some on the side and jealous husband/boyfriend took him out. But you are a brave person buying a house someone was killed in. I don't think I could do it. In my town, there has been a house on sale for close to a year now where a teenager killed his mom then himself.

This was the second "murder house" we looked at when buying. We certainly got a discount, but mainly because the owner at the time hadn't kept up with maintenance.. The house had been gutted, and doubled in size; it's simply not the same place.
And there is no such thing as a ghost.

 

[Country Flier]

Wife was out of town, left work early, got home later than normal. Dude was getting some on the side and jealous husband/boyfriend took him out. But you are a brave person buying a house someone was killed in. I don't think I could do it. In my town, there has been a house on sale for close to a year now where a teenager killed his mom then himself.

Why brave? It was 20 years ago.
A couple of years ago, I was buying an old farm house. I was told by my realtor that a family member was in hospice care, currently in the house while it was listed for sale. I set up a day for us to look at the house, and I was asked to only briefly look in one bedroom through the door, as this was the room where the hospice patient was. I made an offer on the house, and smack dab in the middle of my home inspection, the hospice patient died! I didn't end up buying the house due to problems with the plumbing, but it had nothing to do with the death.

 

[JB1842]

I believe in ghosts. I've had a few events that made me believe. I have no problem if an old person dies in the house; but murder, nope. The murder house in my city, should say the city I'm moving to in a few months, has had the price dropped somewhat, but I still think the stigma of it is turning away a lot of buyers.

 

[TCABM]

This was the second "murder house" we looked at when buying. ...

Is that a required disclosure or how does one go about finding that info

 

[JB1842]

Why brave? It was 20 years ago.
A couple of years ago, I was buying an old farm house. I was told by my realtor that a family member was in hospice care, currently in the house while it was listed for sale. I set up a day for us to look at the house, and I was asked to only briefly look in one bedroom through the door, as this was the room where the hospice patient was. I made an offer on the house, and smack dab in the middle of my home inspection, the hospice patient died! I didn't end up buying the house due to problems with the plumbing, but it had nothing to do with the death.

I'm weird when it comes to things like that. Personal belief I would attribute it to. In my mind, he's brave.

 

[Country Flier]

I believe in ghosts. I've had a few events that made me believe. I have no problem if an old person dies in the house; but murder, nope. The murder house in my city, should say the city I'm moving to in a few months, has had the price dropped somewhat, but I still think the stigma of it is turning away a lot of buyers.

So you are afraid of ghosts? Not trying to be smart, just trying to understand. I can understand believing in them (although I don't), I can't understand being afraid.

 

[JB1842]

Is that a required disclosure or how does one go about finding that info

In Ohio, it's not required to be disclosed. Or it wasn't last year when we bought our house there. Not sure how it was 20 years ago. I knew about our murder house because it's my hometown, family is still there, and still follow the local news. Can't keep secrets in small towns.

 

[JB1842]

So you are afraid of ghosts? Not trying to be smart, just trying to understand. I can understand believing in them (although I don't), I can't understand being afraid.

Afraid? Yes, but not in the sense that there are demonic entities that will possess or harm my family. I'm also afraid of heights and driving over bridges.

 

[Fallsrider]

That's quite a story you have to tell there. It will be interesting for you to see over time if they ever solve the crime.

We had an incident 4 or 5 years ago about a mile up our street. Neighbors of a house started noticing an odor and called the police. They found a rotted, decapitated, corpse in a chest freezer in the basement. Turns out the deceased was abusing his wife and children. The wife and her son plotted his death and killed him one day. They tried stuffing him in the freezer, but they had to decapitate him to get his body to fit. They lived there several months with the frozen corpse. Eventually, they moved elsewhere. After they stopped paying the electric bill, the power was shut off.

The wife at least went to prison. I can't remember if the son was old enough to face charges.

It took quite a while, but the bank had the house totally gutted and remodeled, then sold it. It looks perfectly normal today.

 

[Kenny Phillips]

Is that a required disclosure or how does one go about finding that info

In Ohio, there is no required disclosure. Most realtors will disclose it if they know, as they don't like much to get sued. I didn't actually know it when I first looked at the house; we got it when someone else dropped out because of the murder, and another dropped out 'cuz the guy was not going to fix anything. We put in an 'as-is' offer.
The homeowner did not know. He sought legal advice and was told he was SOL.
But in today's world, Googling the address will get you everything.

 

[Kenny Phillips]

Afraid? Yes, but not in the sense that there are demonic entities that will possess or harm my family. I'm also afraid of heights and driving over bridges.

Not afraid of ghosts, but I'm not a giant fan of high bridges or unprotected elevations either. It's a sign of OCD, BTW. I can get past it (and flying in a doorless helicopter does not cause any apprehension!)

 

[steingar]

My friend Mandy had a guy die in her front yard. Her place is a city house with a small property. She said her heard a scuffle out front one night and didn't think anything of it, being in the City and all. Woke up the next morning to cops and police tape. In the fight a guy got knifed to death, and bled out right in front of her house.

 

[Zeldman]

I had a murder in my back yard this morning.


But they flew off....

 

[Brad Smith]

Wife was out of town, left work early, got home later than normal. Dude was getting some on the side and jealous husband/boyfriend took him out. But you are a brave person buying a house someone was killed in. I don't think I could do it. In my town, there has been a house on sale for close to a year now where a teenager killed his mom then himself.

Most likely scenario, but how to prove it is another matter. Glad you got a good deal on the house.

 

[Checkout_my_Six]

big fan of Forensic Files......

 

[Kenny Phillips]

big fan of Forensic Files......

We are totally addicted to true-crime stuff. I like the forensics [being a tech person], she likes the psychological aspect [being a clinical psychologist].

 

[5MikeCharlie]

Not sure how long you have been in West Chester, but about 20 years ago, there was a murder of a family in Mason not far from were I live. If I remember right, it was a father that murdered his wife and then lit the house on fire to cover it up. However, he lit the house on fire with his three kids still in the house. He later claimed he was going to get them out but the fire got too bad and he left them to die after he ran out. The house was badly burned but was bought and fixed up by a flipper. I didn't think it would ever sell but it actually sold fairly quickly once completed.

 

[Checkout_my_Six]

so....have you luminol'd the house?....

 

[Kenny Phillips]

Not sure how long you have been in West Chester, but about 20 years ago, there was a murder of a family in Mason not far from were I live. If I remember right, it was a father that murdered his wife and then lit the house on fire to cover it up. However, he lit the house on fire with his three kids still in the house. He later claimed he was going to get them out but the fire got too bad and he left them to die after he ran out. The house was badly burned but was bought and fixed up by a flipper. I didn't think it would ever sell but it actually sold fairly quickly once completed.

I've been in the Cincinnati area since 1984, and remember the tragedy you mention; the husband committed suicide: https://www.fox19.com/story/7614555/fox19com-special-coverage-tragedy-in-mason/

 

[5MikeCharlie]

I've been in the Cincinnati area since 1984, and remember the tragedy you mention; the husband committed suicide: https://www.fox19.com/story/7614555/fox19com-special-coverage-tragedy-in-mason/

That's it. I forgot he killed himself.

 

[wsuffa]

And there is no such thing as a ghost.

Maybe or maybe not. I'll say this: after have a really "intense" experience when visiting Dachau a number of years ago, I am now convinced that there is something that transfers troubled souls across time dimensions.

YMMV

 

[wsuffa]

That's it. I forgot he killed himself.

I remember both of those murders. I lived in gaslight Clifton for a few years.

 

[Ghery]

Maybe or maybe not. I'll say this: after have a really "intense" experience when visiting Dachau a number of years ago, I am now convinced that there is something that transfers troubled souls across time dimensions.

YMMV

You been there, too? Twice for me. Once in 1971 with our high school band and then in 1992 with our kids. A very sobering place.

 

[Arnold]

We get so used to TV shows solving all crimes. I've had two friends lose people to murder and neither case has been solved. One was about 40 years ago and the other about 20.

 

[pigpenracing]

This was the second "murder house" we looked at when buying. We certainly got a discount, but mainly because the owner at the time hadn't kept up with maintenance.. The house had been gutted, and doubled in size; it's simply not the same place.
And there is no such thing as a ghost.

I lived in a haunted house where a really strange lady died. I experienced lots of really bad things in that house. Never again!
Ghosts are real!

 

[Checkout_my_Six]

yup....the holy ghost is real too.

 

[Kenny Phillips]

Maybe or maybe not. I'll say this: after have a really "intense" experience when visiting Dachau a number of years ago, I am now convinced that there is something that transfers troubled souls across time dimensions.

YMMV

The clincher would be: would you have felt that if you didn't know what the place was? I get tingly at certain historic sites, as well. But I may have driven over a thousand fallen soldiers during the trip, and felt nothing.

 

[wsuffa]

You been there, too? Twice for me. Once in 1971 with our high school band and then in 1992 with our kids. A very sobering place.

The clincher would be: would you have felt that if you didn't know what the place was? I get tingly at certain historic sites, as well. But I may have driven over a thousand fallen soldiers during the trip, and felt nothing.

So here's the story... My ex and I were in Munich (business meeting for me) in the late 80's. We rented a car and we're headed out of town. Drove past the Olympic Village (site of another horror) and went up to Dachau. Quite a sobering experience. One of the old buildings has been converted into a museum of sorts - we went in to use the toilets. As I was doing my business, I heard the sound of jackboots with taps walking across the floor and a cold breeze flowing through as they passed. They stopped as suddenly as they started. when I met up with my ex after she was done, she asked if I felt like anyone was watching me and described the same boots and chill. There was no one else in the building. Nada. No door in the back of the restrooms through which someone could pass. No loud speakers or fans. Really the only time in my life where I felt there were troubled souls around.

We saw a bit more of the site, got in our car and left. It was a couple of hours before either of us said a word in that car.

Sobering, spooky, intense, whatever you want to call it, there was nothing that could have prepared me for what happened.

May nothing so evil and horrid ever happen in the world again. Never again.

 

[Crashnburn]

Search for West Point NY and Ghosts. My brother, who graduated from there, told of some ‘erie’ experiences some fellow cadets had. One cadet took a picture out a dorm window and when it was developed there were two cadets in period uniforms where no one had been when the picture was taken.

 

[Tantalum]

And there is no such thing as a ghost.

Nope. There are things about the human psych and "creepy" feelings we get, but those aren't ghosts. We've retained certain survival instincts.. certain things spook us, doesn't mean there are ghosts

Afraid? Yes, but not in the sense that there are demonic entities that will possess or harm my family. I'm also afraid of heights and driving over bridges.

Afraid in what sense then? Heights bother me too, but those things can actually hurt us. The mind can be an active place and play tricks on us, but the world is defined by matter and energy that obey the laws of physics that hold the universe together

convinced that there is something

Thanks for the story, I was going to ask what kind of conscious (or sub) effect there might be knowing what kind of place you are visiting. While historically important, I can't imagine visiting those sites.. too many horrors

The most scientifically compelling evidence I've heard that explains the feelings in a somewhat plausible way has to do with certain energy radiation and fields, the same fields that "carry" gravity and that we otherwise know very little about. The brains of living things are made of small electrical currents.. I contend that these currents could leave behind a "wake" of sorts, like boats leaving behind wake, and some individuals may be able to perceive these ripple after effects more than others. But I don't have enough faith to contend that there are conscious living (but not) entities floating entities out there harassing us. A site with many horrors may have had very active electrical currents in the once living, perhaps there is a wake effect from that which is perceptible.. but if anything it's just a shadow and not "real"

Incidentally, horror directors know how to play with lighting, sounds, expressions, etc., to creep us out.. the movie Midsommar for example, does a wonderful job at this.. it's remarkably unsettling but set entirely in a field in broad daylight (what could be scary about that?). When these events occur naturally, we'll experience similar "creeps"


We stayed at an allegedly very haunted hotel in Jerome AZ (cool town btw), had been a hospital at one point, and generally had that "old building" feel.. and many of the locals say they feel a "presence" there.. anyway, we stayed there.. got all the required ghost type stuff.. I couldn't figure what was haunted about the place. Just an old building. It made some weird noises, but old buildings, especially ones that use steam for heat, will do that. My wife and the other guests had the creeps. Who knows.

 

[Kuma]

So here's the story... My ex and I were in Munich (business meeting for me) in the late 80's. We rented a car and we're headed out of town. Drove past the Olympic Village (site of another horror) and went up to Dachau. Quite a sobering experience. One of the old buildings has been converted into a museum of sorts - we went in to use the toilets. As I was doing my business, I heard the sound of jackboots with taps walking across the floor and a cold breeze flowing through as they passed. They stopped as suddenly as they started. when I met up with my ex after she was done, she asked if I felt like anyone was watching me and described the same boots and chill. There was no one else in the building. Nada. No door in the back of the restrooms through which someone could pass. No loud speakers or fans. Really the only time in my life where I felt there were troubled souls around.

We saw a bit more of the site, got in our car and left. It was a couple of hours before either of us said a word in that car.

Sobering, spooky, intense, whatever you want to call it, there was nothing that could have prepared me for what happened.

May nothing so evil and horrid ever happen in the world again. Never again.

I've visited Dachau as well and though I did not experience anything like that, felt that something was "off." Hard to put a finger on it but the hairs were standing up on my neck much of the time.

That said I've been in real estate for a while and have visited hundreds of houses and not seen anything I would consider paranormal. A few Houses of Horrors though it's usually bad plumbing, bad electrical, mold, etc.

 

[charheep]

I have definitely felt things in certain houses. Uncomfortable and like I was being watched. My dad used to flip real estate back in the day. He had an old building he was turning into apartments. There was one closet that was on the landing on the back stairs. No matter what time of day or time of the year, that closet was always pitch black and cold. Just getting near it would make the goosebumps start. I never said anything to my stoic dad, but one day he told me that he could never go into that coat closet because he felt like he was intruding. I was happy when he sold that building.

 

[flhrci]

@Kenny Phillips Here is a new show for you to watch. https://www.today.com/home/new-show...pper-crime-scenes-t162520?cid=sm_npd_td_fb_ma

 

[weilke]

A few months ago, I was driving in rural MN when I saw a column of black smoke a few miles out. I thought 'this is odd, its not brushfire season, and it sure doesn't look like one'. I followed the column to a rural farmstead where a local fire department was conducting a 'controlled burn':



I got to talk to the chief of the department who was supervising the event. The home had been the scene of a pretty grisly murder a year earlier. The farmstead, which was owned by one of the perpetrators, was sold at auction while the criminal cases were underway. A young couple purchased it and as the home was in poor structural condition, preferred to start with a clean slab rather than the 'murder house'. So the local FD conducted some live-burn training with the property and eventually reduced it to a rather compact pile of ash.