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Right side of the TFR circle. check out SNL. :sad:

CAP's Flight Academy is going this week and now they've got to be grounded for a day or two due to it.
 
What's the Big O doing in OKC? Setting some drug dealers free?

Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama commuted the sentences of 46 drug offenders, the White House announced Monday.
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Apparently, he is going to a federal prison to talk to prisoners.
 
TFR's are just a fact of life that impacts us caused by ALL Presidents, present and future.
 
Not grounded, just need to make a few adjustments. Arrivals / Departures from SNL are allowed, just need a transponder code and relocate activities to airports east of SNL. It would be a good aviation learning experience about TFRs.
 
Fearless Tower said:
What's the Big O doing in OKC? Setting some drug dealers free?
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frcabot said:
Wow, that's how you talk about your commander in chief?
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Ultra conservative MSNBC posted this so you know it must be a lie intended to smear our current president.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/president-obama-commutes-22-prison-sentences

We got by just fine before TFRs. I'm not sure which president was in when they started, but they are a fact of life and a pain in everyone's sides.
 
While there were a few TFRs prior to 9/11, they were confined to places that planes didn't really want to be anyway, like over a forest fire(fire fighting equipment, and media excepted).

After 9/11, the TFR program really got going with a gusto. So - Bush II admin was responsible for the massive, and ever-expanding use of TFRs to control pilot behavior. Except of course, the two 'T'FRs around Micky-land and Micky-world which I believe were an act of congress? Not gonna look it up but that's what I recall.

In 1980-something I was on my way back down from Pismo CA, and passing Oxnard I saw a big white, blue and red trimmed plane coming into Magu. Not talking to anyone, just moseying along in my flivver. He landed in front of me, and a couple of lawn darts landed right behind him. News that night -- 'Pres Reagan is visiting his CA home for some much needed rest....'
 
frcabot said:
Wow, that's how you talk about your commander in chief?
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Sure. Are you suggesting that we lie?
Or that we all give the "Heil O'Bama" salute like good little soldiers?

The 1st Amendment still applies. At least for now.
 
Guys, take the politics - all the stuff about pardons and drug dealers - to Spin Zone.
 
Kiddo's Driver said:
We got by just fine before TFRs. I'm not sure which president was in when they started, but they are a fact of life and a pain in everyone's sides.
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We had TFRs in the past (before 9/11) but not as many. I can remember one in the Denver area which lasted for a couple days for the Pope when he was here for Youth Day in the early 1990s, and another for the Summit of how ever many countries there were at that time. Clinton was the President then. There was also a small one for a long time after the guy left his training route in Arizona and crashed his A-10 into Gold Dust Peak in Colorado. They were looking for the bombs which they never found to my knowledge. That was also some time in the 1990s.
 
Yeah, the whole "Thanks, Obama" title was intended to be kind of tongue in cheek. Like this:

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The TFR just comes at an unfortunate time. CAP said they'd be doing ground school and then kicking into even more flying to make up for it.
 
MikeELP said:
Nah...probably more fund raising.

At tax payer expense. :rolleyes:

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That would be my guess.

These TFRs are really getting out of hand.

Besides who cares, politicians are easily replaceable and are more or less 100% interchangeable too.
 
News says he went there for a photo-op while exonerating 46 felons from prison
 
champ driver said:
TFR's are just a fact of life that impacts us caused by ALL Presidents, present and future.
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:rolleyes2:

With that mindset I guess.




The only "fact of life" is death, everything else can be changed. The people are like cattle, not too bright, easily corralled, but if they all do decide they want to go somewhere, standing in their way is a great way to get trampled.
 
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JOhnH said:
Sure. Are you suggesting that we lie?
Or that we all give the "Heil O'Bama" salute like good little soldiers?

The 1st Amendment still applies. At least for now.
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Not for military officers. At least not to the same extent.
 
frcabot said:
Wow, that's how you talk about your commander in chief?
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No, but I do know the first three words of the Constitution....

"WE THE PEOPLE...."

Unless I am in the armed forces, the President is NOT my Commander. He is supposed to be a civil servant and it is our right and responsibility as citizens to question his actions.

Or at least it used to be.
 
MikeELP said:
No, but I do know the first three words of the Constitution....

"WE THE PEOPLE...."

Unless I am in the armed forces, the President is NOT my Commander. He is supposed to be a civil servant and it is our right and responsibility as citizens to question his actions.

Or at least it used to be.
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I was talking to Fearless, who is allegedly in the armed forces. No one cares how civilians refer to Obama.
 
I swore an oath to obey the orders of the President of the United States of America. That oath says nothing about blindly agreeing with everything a President might say or do.

But if that's a problem, I guess I should submit my resignation letter.....oh wait, I already did!
 
VIP TFRs are stupid and do little in the way of security but a lot in the way of infringing on our ability to fly. And the increase in them over the years has been quite an annoyance. The policy needs to be revisited.

I am not an Obama fan but in the case of commuting the sentences of nonviolent drug offenders, I am in agreement with him. Our prisons are overcrowded and keeping someone in prison long term for a nonviolent crime is a waste and does little good.

As a former Army, I also see no issue with a member of the military criticizing POTUS as long as it is respectful and directed towards his policies and politics and not his person.
 
He'll be in Philly tomorrow speaking at the NAACP conference as well.
 
Agree, but some things start to teeter on the line, especially for commissioned officers.
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/888


Also DODI 1344.10: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf

A member of the Armed Forces on active duty shall not:
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Participate in any . . . group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
 
Now that it is legal, he is looking for a new husband. Captive audience.
 
frcabot said:
Agree, but some things start to teeter on the line, especially for commissioned officers.
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/888


Also DODI 1344.10: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf

A member of the Armed Forces on active duty shall not:
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Participate in any . . . group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
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Only frcabot could turn a factual description of a trip into political speech or talk prejudicial...
 
warthog1984 said:
Only frcabot could turn a factual description of a trip into political speech or talk prejudicial...
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A lot depends on tone. But the regs are pretty clear, they say active duty members shall not PARTICIPATE in group discussions concerning causes, candidates, etc. Regardless of the language that is used. Yes, that is the price (one of many) you pay for being active duty and especially an active duty commissioned officer. Now, in my opinion that regulation is overbroad and probably unconstitutional in some respects, but it's still in force until courts or the DOD say otherwise.

You don't think a message board qualifies as a group discussion?
 
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frcabot said:
I was talking to Fearless, who is allegedly in the armed forces. No one cares how civilians refer to Obama.
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Plenty of kings and overlords had the same mindset, until their heads rolled away.

The people are the ultimate authority, everyone else is mearly a tool of that authority, leaders who forget this do so at their own risk.



Fearless Tower said:
I swore an oath to obey the orders of the President of the United States of America. That oath says nothing about blindly agreeing with everything a President might say or do.

But if that's a problem, I guess I should submit my resignation letter.....oh wait, I already did!
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You swore a oath to the constitution first and foremost, infact in your oath the constitution comes before the pres, also something about domestic enemies as well.

Again you serve the people and the country, the president and congress and not the country and only represent the people as long as the people so choose.
 
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