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Scared the hell out of me when I heard this. Bryon I am VERY thankful you are OK.

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/16446


Bryon heard about this off the board and went fishing for info. I am Very relieved that you are Safe!!!! Whew! From what I can see excellent job of getting her down in one piece in a small spot! When your ready hearing about it on both boards may make us all safer pilots but for now I'm just happy your ok!!
 
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AdamZ said:
Scared the hell out of me when I heard this. Bryon I am VERY thankful you are OK.

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/16446


Bryon heard about this off the board and went fishing for info. I am Very relieved that you are Safe!!!! Whew! From what I can see excellent job of getting her down in one piece in a small spot! When your ready hearing about it on both boards may make us all safer pilots but for now I'm just happy your ok!!
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Pilots will like the questions & answers following the news report text !
 
"Smoketown Airport owner Melvin Glick said Thursday night that both pilots are "top-notch."

"These guys are always careful," Glick said. "Both have a fair amount of experience and did an amazing job to stay in control of the plane as it came down." "

Well, we knew that about Bryon. Thank goodness the other guy is too.
 
"I thought it was thunder. Then I looked outside and saw a plane," Picknell said. "God was in control. There is no other way it would've missed my house."

Unless the plane was heading directly for your house, and at the last second, a big misty hand came down and batted it to one side....I'm pretty sure the reason it missed your house was because of the SKILL and TRAINING of the two pilots in the plane itself. (Video tape of said hand however, would be a mighty nice thing to have!!)

I'm pretty confident that the NTSB report will not list God as having had any part in the probable cause :D
 
Thank GOD all are well, and for good training. Its weird, Yesterday I just thought about how much POA has grown and if at some time we might have the unfortunate news of one of the community having an incident or worse reported here. I pray these are far and few between.

Wetzler, co-owner of the plane, is certified to fly single, multiple and instrumental aircraft. The plane is flown about once a week.
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The comment section is a hoot, one day I want to be more than a PP and get my "multiple and instrumental aircraft" courses finished. :cheerswine:

 
Bryon,

Glad you're OK! That was scary. Hope your wife lets you keep flying.

VERY nice job, BTW.
 
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Anthony said:
Bryon,

Gald you're OK. That was scary. Hope your wife lets you keep flying.
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Very, VERY good landing. No vertical forces. No Vmc Rollover. No injuries. To be commended.
 
bbchien said:
Very, VERY good landing. No vertical forces. No Vmc Rollover. No injuries. To be commended.
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If it weren't for the darn tree, the plane would have hardly been damaged. Even that looks like they were nicely slowed down by then. I agree, very good.
 
Bryon, hope you're doing OK. Whew! What a ride that must have been. I'm glad nobody got hurt.
 
Thank you all for the support. I really wish I could say I did a lot of this, but as soon as we had any problem Jared took over the controls. I am glad he did, because I don't know if I could have done as well. There is always a hesitancy, especially in me as my confidence lacks quite often. That's the reason I was continuing training.


And, now, for those of you that are curious, here is a "summaraized version" of what happened.

We had a complete loss of power of one of the engines just after liftoff. As I reached for the gear at the end of the runway, we had a sudden yaw and loss of all climb performance. There was a little confusion for a moment as we determined what was happening, and then Jared's training took over and he took control. Quick checks revealed everything was turned on, and we had no time to determine which engine and feather it. He controlled it until after the greenhouses at the end of the runway, and until the airspeed was at critical, then we chopped power and aimed for the only opening available. As we started hitting the corn in a slight bank, the plane turned sideways and slid the rest of the way. This allowed the plane to fit between the trees and the house, underneath the wires.:target: We did not strike the tree and spin, as some reports have suggested.

I am very happy, thankful, and joyful :redface: to be able to be here and gripe, whine and fuss :( that now I don't have a "multiple aircraft" to use to get my commercial rating. I do thank God and Jared's quick actions and skills for this save.

I am extremely thankful that no damage or injury occured to anyone on the ground. I am also very thankful to all those who helped in the crash and cleanup. I also thank you all for your kindness.

Jared is Ok as well and he is back up with another student today. I will be back soon as well. I don't want to let this set me back. I will, however, focus on drumming the emergency procedures into my brain.

Two ironic things happened. The first is that this lesson was to hone OEI procedures and get them locked into my flow. (I was hoping this wasn't his first practice, as that amounts to one of Ron's "bleeding practices")
The second was that the fire fighters that responded were called away from an instructional meeting in which they were training for an aircraft crash. They dragged the instructor along!

I'll try to answer some of your responses, but i don't know how much should be said in an ongoing investigation.
 
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Anthony said:
Bryon,

Glad you're OK! That was scary. Hope your wife lets you keep flying.

VERY nice job, BTW.
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She is actually OK with it. She even says she will still fly with me. That makes one of us!:D
 
Aztec Driver said:
I'll try to answer some of your responses, but i don't know how much should be said in an ongoing investigation.
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Smart decision. After you consult w/ counsel you can fill us in. Ever determine which engine it was?

And FWIW I just contacted my CFII to bone up on my Emergency Procedures and do an IPC.
 
Aztec Driver said:
but i don't know how much should be said in an ongoing investigation.
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It's a good idea not to talk too much about that. We mostly want to know that you're OK.

Several of us on this forum have been involved in accidents. It's an interesting time for sure, even for the several days and sometimes weeks afterwards.

I was impressed with how people ran to help after mine and how supportive and concerned folks were afterwards; it meant a lot to me.

Anyway, glad you're OK. :)
 
Bryon. Did you file a flight plan? :)
 
bbchien said:
Very, VERY good landing. No vertical forces. No Vmc Rollover. No injuries. To be commended.
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Very well said Bruce. I second that.

Bryon, I'm glad both of you are ok. Excellent job considering the circumstances.

Let us know what you can, when you can, about what happened with the engine. Did you get the gear up or did the landing fold them for you? It's hard to tell in the picture.
 
Byron,

I am glad you and the other pilot are ok.

Since I am a student, This past Saturday I told my instructor that I wanted to practice more simulated engine outs. All kinds of engine outs or sim. emergencies such as during T/O, during landing, on x/c's, and while practicing manuvers. He said that he will be glad to do sim. emergencies with me. I think I will keep him around for a while.

Once again, I am glad you are good.

Brook
 
fgcason said:
Very well said Bruce. I second that.

Bryon, I'm glad both of you are ok. Excellent job considering the circumstances.

Let us know what you can, when you can, about what happened with the engine. Did you get the gear up or did the landing fold them for you? It's hard to tell in the picture.
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The gear were up.
 
Aztec Driver said:
She is actually OK with it. She even says she will still fly with me. That makes one of us!:D
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Byron, glad to see you well and in good spirits!
 
Nice save, Bryon. Let us all know more when you can. I found out when I called in to cancel a rental due to weather this am. I was shocked to hear it was you guys.

And, yes, Mel is right on the money about Jared Hostetter. He is my current CFI and Janet got her private with him. I have been training with Jared since he arrived and we have been in some rather hairy flying together.

He is all Mel said and more. Of course, so is Bryon.

Jim G
 
grattonja said:
Nice save, Bryon. Let us all know more when you can. I found out when I called in to cancel a rental due to weather this am. I was shocked to hear it was you guys.

And, yes, Mel is right on the money about Jared Hostetter. He is my current CFI and Janet got her private with him. I have been training with Jared since he arrived and we have been in some rather hairy flying together.

He is all Mel said and more. Of course, so is Bryon.

Jim G
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The save still belongs to Jared. He definetely earned a gold star in my book. Time to treat him to a steak dinner.

This does impart a real good lesson on both of us though. Even an aircraft that can easily fly on one engine needs the time and altitude to get configured that way, and if you don't have it, it is best to get it on the ground NOW.
 
Aztec Driver said:
This does impart a real good lesson on both of us though. Even an aircraft that can easily fly on one engine needs the time and altitude to get configured that way, and if you don't have it, it is best to get it on the ground NOW.
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Boy, isn't that the truth. We've had a rash of twin accidents around Centennial, CO (APA) in the last few weeks. I'm not going to play NTSB examiner, but it sure "sounds" like some should have taken your advice.

Many of my non-flying friends keep telling me not to fly into Centennial because its too dangerous. My response.....The airport is not the Bermuda Triangle.
 
Anthony said:
<snip>Many of my non-flying friends keep telling me not to fly into Centennial because its too dangerous. My response.....The airport is not the Bermuda Triangle.
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It might not qualify as the Bermuda Triangle, but I'm starting to wonder if it could be the Centennial Quadrandle? :eek: "Ladies and Gentlemen, you have just entered.... the Centennial Zone" :eek:
 
Anthony what do you make of the rumors on the intermittently erroneous ils at apa? ("totally bogus" would not surprise me)
 
Bryon,

Very glad to hear you're safe. Really nice job - it happend at about the worst possible time. No vertical shear, and you got it slow before it hit obstacles.

I'd be interested to hear more when you can.

bill
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
Anthony what do you make of the rumors on the intermittently erroneous ils at apa? ("totally bogus" would not surprise me)
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Dave. I've heard that also, but have not spoken with anyone who would be able to confirm or deny it. One was defintely very low on the ILS approach, but I don't think the reason is yet known or if it is known, still unpublicized.

Greg. Yes, its a busy airport. Lots of traffic even in bad weather. It always surprises me what some commercail ops, especially freight wil fly in. I'm glad I have the option to just not fly if I'm uncomfortable with the conditions. Plus, with only one fan up front, I'm not tempted to try to make it fly just on one engine.
 
Bryon you have a great sense of Humor I love the new Avitar.

As for stupid comments; I just love the comment after the article where one neighbor said something to the effect of He was concerned about just such an accident having the airport so close by. He said he was living there 20 years and was just waiting for such an accidnet.

Hmmmm lets see 20 years @ 365 days per year = 7300 days. One accident in 20years that effects him equates to a .00014% chance ( and thats rounded up) of an accident where the plane crashes on your street. Casinos would kill for those house odds. Seems this guy is just sitting around waiting for space junk to fall on his driveway
 
Bryon, glad to hear that good training hit "pay dirt"! Excellent example of what proficiency delivers. One comment from a single engine owner, looking at the Aztruck, one could imagine if this happened with all seats filled & fully loaded (on a summer evening).

WOW, twins are a different beast, indeed.
 
Nice outcome. As always, instructional for us all.

Bryon, your sig says, "now deceased" for the Aztec- is the damage substantial enough that you can already conclude it is beyond economic repair?
 
Bryon:

Let me add to the congrats. Sounds like CRM also came into play and you guys worked well together. You're bringing home to all of us the need to know what to do when one burner goes.

Glad you're safe and you let the insurance folks worry about bent metal, not injuries!!
I look forward to hearing more when you can share details.

Best,

Dave
 
gkainz said:
It might not qualify as the Bermuda Triangle, but I'm starting to wonder if it could be the Centennial Quadrandle? :eek: "Ladies and Gentlemen, you have just entered.... the Centennial Zone" :eek:
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Does it help (not!) that now the online AOPA airport directory now has links to accidents at that airport?

That does serve to warn you about any issues at the airport like challenging terrain.
 
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bbchien said:
Very, VERY good landing. No vertical forces. No Vmc Rollover. No injuries. To be commended.
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You have to see the flight path and the landing zone to truly understand how good the job really was. When I first saw the Lancaster newspaper's little map showing the crash site I literally thought, "I've departed over that area thousands of times. There's no where to land a plane there. The newspaper must be be mistaken."
 
I got back in the saddle this evening. Only .7 hours in a "single" as opposed to a "multiple", but fun none the less. It's amazing how peaceful and serene a flight can be when there isn't something trying to kill you. Tomorrow I will try to complete the "multiple" aircraft lesson with a Cougar.

Ed, I agree with you, I have flown over there many times and have never thought there would be any place for an airplane to "land". Jared found a great one, although I don't want to repeat it.

I doubt the aircraft is economically repairable, as there is substantial wing damage and I would assume both engines need torn down. Also new props, underbelly, engine nacelles and some gear damage. Wonder if it would pay us better to sell the parts rather than get the insurance.

Let's see now, Departed S37, arrived Starlite Dr, practiced OEI takeoff, practiced one very short off field landing, emergency procedures, no approaches, no landings, .1 hr ME, .1 hi-perf., .1 day, .1 dual, .1 PIC -- wow what an interesting log book entry.

Thanks for all the words of encouragement, they all belong to Jared.
 
Jeff Cutler said:
One comment from a single engine owner, looking at the Aztruck, one could imagine if this happened with all seats filled & fully loaded (on a summer evening).

WOW, twins are a different beast, indeed.
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I was thinking this very thing, as well. I fly my wife and daughters and my granddaughter fairly often. My one daughter hates to fly, and she would have gone nuts after that. I have flown it at gross weight several times, although I usually depart LNS when I am heavier.
 
Ed Guthrie said:
You have to see the flight path and the landing zone to truly understand how good the job really was. When I first saw the Lancaster newspaper's little map showing the crash site I literally thought, "I've departed over that area thousands of times. There's no where to land a plane there. The newspaper must be be mistaken."
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And IIRC the one time I've been into Smoketown, it's short- ?2,400? as in, there will be no day in which my start/stop is compatible with V1 being more than Vysse. Lose an engine, you're putting it down.

Even at the temps at Gaston's, with the little fuel loads that I flew, I had a chance in the Seneca. But not in 2400 feet.
 
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