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francisco collazos

francisco collazos

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Yesterday we flew up to Craig Exec near Jacksonville from Brooksville and I knew they had a TFR heading up. No Problem we requested FF and got in no issues. We headed over to the FBO for a break and headed home. I am almost sure there they were under a TFR when we departed. Here's the thnig, we taxied to the departure runway and off we went. As we departed, I thought to myself that I thought we needed to be on a discrete code while in that area but we never got one so i.m not quite sure what happened. This was around 1pm in the afternoon.
I don't think the Tower would have let us depart if there was an issue but they seemed pretty lax anyways. So what do you think? Also is it possible to just call Jax approach while at the FBO and request FF back to Brooksville or just wait until we are in the air. I know they don't do this in Brooksville probably due to the poor range from Tampa.
 
My experience has been get a transponder code from the tower. If they won't give it to you, pick it up as soon as you are in the air from the ATC. And in your case, you should complete a NASA report just in case...
 
FPK1 said:
My experience has been get a transponder code from the tower. If they won't give it to you, pick it up as soon as you are in the air from the ATC. And in your case, you should complete a NASA report just in case...
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Thanks for the reply, I will say that we did end up getting FF for the way home just after departing. THey were also clearing people from the MOA around that time
 
My guess is the TFR ended early.
Otherwise you'd have gotten a call from someone, or an impromptu lesson in formation flying.
You must have a code before takeoff if inside the TFR, and a filed plan. Getting FF does not satisfy the filed plan requirement, and while ATC doesn't check for VFR FF traffic, if something goes wrong (someone else f's up and gets intercepted) then they pull the traffic logs and might figure out you also violated the TFR.
So yeah, I'd say you're fine. Also, make it a habit to monitor 121.5 if inside or near a TFR.
 
That's interesting because it doesn't say anything about filing a flight plan. This is what it says...
EXC AS SPECIFIED BLW AND/OR UNLESS AUTH BY ATC:
  1. ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE TFR MUST BE ON A DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED BY AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL (ATC) FACILITY.
  2. AIRCRAFT MUST BE SQUAWKING THE DISCRETE CODE AT ALL TIMES WHILE IN THE TFR.
  3. ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE TFR MUST REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC.
Also can I ask about monitoring guard? For what purpose
 
Was this a stadium TFR or VIP? My personal experience, the stadium TFRs, especially for college stadiums, is usually a little more lax.

As for monitoring guard, it is recommended because that is how an intercepting aircraft may try to contact you. Otherwise they would be guessing which frequency you are on.
 
Neither, most likely. VIP TFRs usually require flight plans.

It's the one dealing with the military jet traffic out of Mayport. And that one doesn't require filed flight plans. A good chunk of it doesn't go to the surface, but only to 2500ft in the area near CRG, with a small portion dropping to 1200ft. See image below.

So, most likely, you weren't in the TFR if it was active, or it wend cold before you departed. Either way, if you were getting close CRG or JAX would've most likely reminded you. That is also the reason to be on guard, ATC facilities will usually see where you're going and will do their best to stop you and help you before you get in trouble. Same with VIP TFRs, one thing you always hear on guard is ATC broadcasting "N12345, if you can hear this, you're about to enter a TFR, squawk 4567 and change to my frequency, 123.45".

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midlifeflyer said:
What does the TFR say?
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No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described).

EXC AS SPECIFIED BLW AND/OR UNLESS AUTH BY ATC:

ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE TFR MUST BE ON A DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED BY AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL (ATC) FACILITY.

AIRCRAFT MUST BE SQUAWKING THE DISCRETE CODE AT ALL TIMES WHILE IN THE TFR.

ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE TFR MUST REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC.

MAYPORT ATCT, TELEPHONE 904-270-6130 IS THE COORDINATION FACILITY.

Link: https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_9399.html
 
trenton said:
No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described).

EXC AS SPECIFIED BLW AND/OR UNLESS AUTH BY ATC:

ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE TFR MUST BE ON A DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED BY AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL (ATC) FACILITY.

AIRCRAFT MUST BE SQUAWKING THE DISCRETE CODE AT ALL TIMES WHILE IN THE TFR.

ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE TFR MUST REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC.

MAYPORT ATCT, TELEPHONE 904-270-6130 IS THE COORDINATION FACILITY.

Link: https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_9399.html
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You needed to be on a discrete code while the TFR was in effect. Whether ATC let it go by mistake or otherwise is a separate issue.
 
In your op you didn't tell us which way you were departing. The TFR covers about 1/2 of the airfield with a clear shot from 240° to 360°. Unless your departure was from 001° to 239° you were out of the TFR after departure.
 
I had a squak code coming in because I was on FF. We left towards the south and no mention of the tfr either way interesting enough only some advisery that the moa were hot but we were okd through them on the way there
 
Heading south that TFR was above the tower's airspace. So they didn't care. You should've been aware and flown in a way that kept you out, if it was active. Which you probably did.

In the voice of the preacher from Blazing Saddles they said "son, you're on your own".
 
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trenton said:
No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described).

EXC AS SPECIFIED BLW AND/OR UNLESS AUTH BY ATC:

ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE TFR MUST BE ON A DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED BY AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL (ATC) FACILITY.

AIRCRAFT MUST BE SQUAWKING THE DISCRETE CODE AT ALL TIMES WHILE IN THE TFR.

ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE TFR MUST REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC.

MAYPORT ATCT, TELEPHONE 904-270-6130 IS THE COORDINATION FACILITY.

Link: https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_9399.html
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Seems like there are several "get out of jail" permissions including staying below the airspace or "AND/OR UNLESS AUTH BY ATC".
 
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