Steve Jobs: You're holding it wrong

Thanks guys. I will say this, I would rather pay once for a good app than get ads.

I am seriously getting tired of the desire by everyone on the planet to "have my eyeballs" on something they are selling. Too "Minority Report" for me.

Hell...I actually am more concerned now about the information private companies have on me than the government. At least with the gov there are some restrictions.
 
astanley said:
I've been using the device on and off for a few days and I'm underwhelmed. The device feels more iterative than anything else; versus something new and organic.

Battery life is even worse than before, though; it's actually worse than my Nexus One (which isn't all that great on battery to begin with)

Cheers,

-Andrew
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You're holding it wrong. :rofl:
 
mikea said:
It was discovered recently after some tragic episodes that programmers have to be fed.
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Speaking as one who spent his career writing software, if they want to be fed then write software worth buying. If they want to be in the billboard business, then buy billboards. I'd be perfectly happy living the rest of my life having never seen another ad for anything - even if it means I have to pay for everything according to its value to me. This whole advertising revenue model is causing the decline of the modern world.
 
PittsDriver said:
Speaking as one who spent his career writing software, if they want to be fed then write software worth buying. If they want to be in the billboard business, then buy billboards. I'd be perfectly happy living the rest of my life having never seen another ad for anything - even if it means I have to pay for everything according to its value to me. This whole advertising revenue model is causing the decline of the modern world.
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That's not what the marketing people tell me....
 
PittsDriver said:
... This whole advertising revenue model is causing the decline of the modern world.
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If you combine in-app purchasing with an ad network like iAd, it makes it easy to do things like "download free app, try it out, you get ads, if you like the app and don't like the ads you can hit a button and get charged $1.99 (or whatever), after which the ads stop, or else you can be cheap and just continue to use the app for free with the ads".
-harry
 
ScottM said:
All I can say is when it come to push advertising on wireless devices is, you ain't seen nothing yet!!
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So when the iPhone 4's GPS detects us walking past a pet store, iAds will pop a cat out of our screen?
 
rpadula said:
So when the iPhone 4's GPS detects us walking past a pet store, iAds will pop a cat out of our screen?
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Yep. It gets even worse is that there are policy engines that will decide based on your usage and movement patterns what ads you will get. It will also be for more than just the iPhone. ALL of the US operators are looking at or deploying this type of technology. It has been used in some overseas markets in a more primitive form for the past couple of years.
 
ScottM said:
Yep. It gets even worse is that there are policy engines that will decide based on your usage and movement patterns what ads you will get. It will also be for more than just the iPhone. ALL of the US operators are looking at or deploying this type of technology. It has been used in some overseas markets in a more primitive form for the past couple of years.
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Not only the operators, but many companies and marketers love the idea, too. It's something folks have been salivating about for years.

(Side note: carriers have done similar things for years. 20 years ago, I used to receive inbound robo calls on my cellphone when traveling into a new roaming area - the robo calls from the roaming carrier urged me to make calls on their system).

And don't expect it to be "opt-in" unless there is legislation.... I expect there to be legislation (requiring something like "do not call" lists) because this will get very annoying very fast.... and cause a real uproar.

Every major social networking site is looking at the FourSquare model of using location-based content. Which means you might be automatically opted-in if your phone has a Facebook app. (Side note, even though I have carefully set up my Facebook profile to maintain privacy from partner sites, if I am logged into Facebook on my laptop when browsing other sites - WaPo, etc - I will find Facebook content inserted into the other site. IOW, Facebook is not abiding by what they say they will do with respect to opt-out privacy).

Oh, and if you don't have an "unlimited" plan, you're paying for the bandwidth to deliver those ads.
 
rpadula said:
So when the iPhone 4's GPS detects us walking past a pet store, iAds will pop a cat out of our screen?
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Worser, maybe they'll override all the controls and have the phone yell at you to go into the store, sorta like walking past the strip club in Old Town.

There are going to be a lot of good reasons to turn your phone OFF....carry an old dumbphone and use Google Voice to find you.
 
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mikea said:
Worser, maybe they'll override all the controls and have the phone yell at you to go into tthe store, sorta like walking past the strip club in Old Town.
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I'd expect as much from an Android phone, but that would be very un-Jobs-like.

And... there's no pr0n in the App store.
 
rpadula said:
So when the iPhone 4's GPS detects us walking past a pet store, iAds will pop a cat out of our screen?
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Yep...and when enough companies get on this train, it will annoy you enough so you'll have kittens.
 
mikea said:
Worser, maybe they'll override all the controls and have the phone yell at you to go into the store, sorta like walking past the strip club in Old Town.
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Given Apple's averson to Pr0n, perhaps it will yell at you if you try to go into a store that's not approved. "Sorry, Hal, you can't go into that Dell store, there's an Apple store a mile away".

Think of the opportunity to not only try to sell you something, but to track every store you go into and deduce purchasing patterns. A marketer's wet dream.
 
wsuffa said:
Given Apple's averson to Pr0n, perhaps it will yell at you if you try to go into a store that's not approved. "Sorry, Hal, you can't go into that Dell store, there's an Apple store a mile away".
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Speaking of pr0n, that industry is ready to ditch Flash, too.

Then anyone can watch it all on the iPhone's HTML5-compatible Safari.
 
I'm not sure why anyone care if ads are targeted towards them. I ignore them anyway. Everyone seems to do it these days. The supermarket coupon machine spits out coupons similar to items I have purchased before. So what? Google news knows more or less where I am in the world based on my ISP. Even United Airlines sent me to the Canadian site when I was in Canada even though my FF number is linked to my US address.
 
Everskyward said:
I'm not sure why anyone care if ads are targeted towards them. I ignore them anyway. Everyone seems to do it these days. The supermarket coupon machine spits out coupons similar to items I have purchased before. So what? Google news knows more or less where I am in the world based on my ISP. Even United Airlines sent me to the Canadian site when I was in Canada even though my FF number is linked to my US address.
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I suppose it depends on how the ads appear. They would be annoying if they cause the phone to buzz (if in quiet mode) or make a sound that makes me think there is someone I want to talk to or receive a text from. If they cover up information I want while I'm using the device, they are annoying- that's why browser pop-up ads are bad. If they fill up the texting, it's annoying to clean them out (like spam).

There are probably ways to do ads that won't make a user want to throw the phone away. I hope the companies involved think this through...
 
Cap'n Jack said:
I suppose it depends on how the ads appear. They would be annoying if they cause the phone to buzz (if in quiet mode) or make a sound that makes me think there is someone I want to talk to or receive a text from.
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The only ads I have seen on the iPhone share the screen with the app. If you don't open the app first you don't see the ad.
 
If I started getting ads like that I would fly out to Cupertino and shove my iPhone up Steve Jobs' azz. WITHOUT lube.
 
rpadula said:
WTF is wrong with people? The 4's been out a week and they're already suing Apple over this.
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Its a lot of money being charged for a defective product. Implied warranty? Although, buyers remorse should apply, and they can return and get their money back, so....lawsuit seems a bit premature.

edit: But I should point out that the claim in the suit is valid: If an additional piece of hardware is required to use the phone properly (the bumper), it should be presented free of charge to the customers.
 
SkyHog said:
Its a lot of money being charged for a defective product. Implied warranty? Although, buyers remorse should apply, and they can return and get their money back, so....lawsuit seems a bit premature.

edit: But I should point out that the claim in the suit is valid: If an additional piece of hardware is required to use the phone properly (the bumper), it should be presented free of charge to the customers.
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Valid or not, it's really rather stupid on Apple's part that they don't just give out the "bumpers" for free. They probably cost them less than a dollar each from some outfit in China that used to provide leaded paint for children's toys. I suspect that defending themselves against this suit will cost Apple more than the bumpers would.

And then there's the very real possibility possibility that the plaintiffs will prevail, in which case they'll have to provide the bumpers, anyway. Better to nip it in the bud and moot the litigation.

-Rich
 
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rpadula said:
WTF is wrong with people? The 4's been out a week and they're already suing Apple over this.
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And you're surprised? There was an acquisition of a public company announced yesterday at 7:15 AM. By 9:30 there were public notices out by 2 plaintiff's law firms urging people to contact them about potential shareholder lawsuits against the deal.
 
I just think it's entertaining that the thing's been declared defective in just one week. Especially by amateur RF engineers posting YouTube videos. There's a reason we use specs and not "derrrr, I wrapped my iPhone with a thick slice of ham and now the bars are lower." :rolleyes:
 
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rpadula said:
I just think it's entertaining that the thing's been declared defective in just one week. Especially by amateur RF engineers posting YouTube videos. There's a reason we use specs and not "derrrr, I wrapped my iPhone with a thick slice of ham and now the bars are lower." :rolleyes:
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Now all we need is an amateur biologist to find cancer cells in that ham slice and proclaim proof that cell phones cause cancer...
 
Apple: we're displaying it wrong.

Upon investigation, we were stunned to find that the formula we use to calculate how many bars of signal strength to display is totally wrong. Our formula, in many instances, mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength.
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We will issue a free software update within a few weeks that incorporates the corrected formula.
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Now everybody STFU!
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(just kidding, I added that last line :tongue:)
 
rpadula said:
Apple: we're displaying it wrong
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The most important point in that letter is that you have 30 days to take the phone back for a full refund. I thought the language on the online Apple store was that you were still responsible for a stocking fee.

But if you have 30 days to check out the phone, and a full refund at the end of those 30 days, then I think Apple has given you a fair shot at evaluating whether this is a problem or not, given how you use the phone.

Every new iphone model seems to have some "sky is falling" flaw, and somehow this flaw only exhibits its world-ending tendencies in the first few weeks after the phone's introduction, after which people seem able to use the phone happily for years.
-harry
 
mantakos said:
The most important point in that letter is that you have 30 days to take the phone back for a full refund. I thought the language on the online Apple store was that you were still responsible for a stocking fee.

But if you have 30 days to check out the phone, and a full refund at the end of those 30 days, then I think Apple has given you a fair shot at evaluating whether this is a problem or not, given how you use the phone.
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Cingular at&t wireless has always had a 30 day return policy on phones, not that I know for sure that it also applied tot he iPhone. Getting the contract unwound might be an adventure.

mantakos said:
Every new iphone model seems to have some "sky is falling" flaw, and somehow this flaw only exhibits its world-ending tendencies in the first few weeks after the phone's introduction, after which people seem able to use the phone happily for years.
-harry
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Yep. There is long line of Apple bashers waiting to pounce. I can't even remember what the last 30 day scandal was...Oh yeah! The case on the white iPhone burns red due to heat!

You gotta understand that if you spent a whole month memorizing the answers to the NTCSE (?) exam and then worked for years as a Windows admin or developer you'll need continuous reassurance that the world is going to be OK.
 
I just saw the new Futurama on the eyePhone, the first 10 min were hilarious (and appropriate to this thread).

Joe
 
Consumer reports:
[FONT=&quot]It's official. Consumer Reports' engineers have just completed testing the iPhone 4, and have confirmed that there is a problem with its reception. When your finger or hand touches a spot on the phone's lower left side—an easy thing, especially for lefties—the signal can significantly degrade enough to cause you to lose your connection altogether if you're in an area with a weak signal. Due to this problem, we can't recommend the iPhone 4.
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http://blogs.consumerreports.org/el...m-issues-signal-strength-att-network-gsm.html


Let me guess: Consumer Reports is wrong too, right?
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