Toby
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Do any of you participate in spot-landing or other flying contests in rented a/c? Is there usually any policy about that?
Toby said:Do any of you participate in spot-landing or other flying contests in rented a/c? Is there usually any policy about that?
What's the difference between that and doing an hour's worth of precision touch and goes?Toby said:I guess my real question behind the question is this: I rent, not from the FBO, but from my former instructor. He has a clear set of guidelines and lets me fly anywhere I want. I can land on short runways, for example, but I can't land on grass. My passengers cannot be PIC. I don't know if he'd have any objection to my using his a/c in a spot landing contest. Maybe I'll just ask.
That's a good idea, particularly if you have a continuing relationship with this person. There are probably some insurance policies that would define it as a prohibited "contest" or "air show" and you wouldn't want to be on the SURPRISE! end of that one.Toby said:Maybe I'll just ask.
Let'sgoflying! said:"if flown properly" is pretty important, I saw a guy in a tripacer force it onto the spot in El Paso abt 6yrs ago, The prop almost touched and the gear flexed like nothing I've ever seen!
Maybe that would be you, Ron?Ron Levy said:I'm good with all the rules except the on-board safety observer, which I think, based on 10 years of watching AYA spot landing contests, is unnecessary as long as there's a highly qualified instructor/observer on the ground with a radio and whose "go around" call is mandatory.
Golf term. A "do over" in which the original try does not count.Toby said:Lance, what's a Mulligan?
It is me, every year, at the AYA convention. Just for once, I'd like to participate. BTW, a well-run spot landing contest at a non-towered airport requires a "controller" to keep the pattern straight with all in pattern as well as any non-participating traffic, and that person REALLY has to know what s/he is doing, and recognize that s/he can only give advice, not control traffic. The AYA has a highly experienced "Air Boss" team for that, and those folks do it year after year, usually spending several years assisting before actually being the "Boss" during a contest. Also, a pilot briefing on rules and procedures is essential, with a firm "no brief, no fly" rule.Toby said:Maybe that would be you, Ron?
Toby said:Well, it looks like I'll be staying on the ground, if we have a contest Saturday. The answer was no.
I'll cheer for you all!
Ron Levy said:I'm good with all the rules except the on-board safety observer, which I think, based on 10 years of watching AYA spot landing contests, is unnecessary as long as there's a highly qualified instructor/observer on the ground with a radio and whose "go around" call is mandatory.
Ron Levy said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Levy
I'm good with all the rules except the on-board safety observer, which I think, based on 10 years of watching AYA spot landing contests, is unnecessary as long as there's a highly qualified instructor/observer on the ground with a radio and whose "go around" call is mandatory.
It is me, every year, at the AYA convention. Just for once, I'd like to participate. BTW, a well-run spot landing contest at a non-towered airport requires a "controller" to keep the pattern straight with all in pattern as well as any non-participating traffic, and that person REALLY has to know what s/he is doing, and recognize that s/he can only give advice, not control traffic. The AYA has a highly experienced "Air Boss" team for that, and those folks do it year after year, usually spending several years assisting before actually being the "Boss" during a contest. Also, a pilot briefing on rules and procedures is essential, with a firm "no brief, no fly" rule.
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!AdamZ said:Anthony: How do you do a flour bomb in a low wing? Throw it back over your shoulder to clear the wing?
Ron Levy said:NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
If you're lucky, that will only result in a big puff of smoke, a floured horizontal stab, and great mirth among the judges and spectators. If you're unlucky, it will hit the canopy bow and create WOXOF conditions in the cockpit followed by a major vacuuming exercise after landing.
What you SHOULD do is lean your shoulder out the window, holding your arm against the side of the plane, reaching back to the trailing edge of the wind, palm backward, with knuckles against the walkway, and then just open your hand and release it -- no tossing, no shoving, just let it go.
I wouldn't.N2212R said:How would ya do it in a Cherokee?
I'm afraid that line needs to be rethought -- frankly, the idea of "[tying] a piece of rope to it and let[ting] it hang out the small window" makes me cringe.Tie a piece of rope to it and let it hang out the small window?
N2212R said:How would ya do it in a Cherokee? Tie a piece of rope to it and let it hang out the small window?