Sovereign Citizen nearly causes midair

"I object to these proceedings,” Marsan said, wearing a yellow jail jumpsuit and leg chains." :happydance:

A fellow like him once said, "you can't get blood out of a turnip" but he soon learned that while they might not get blood out of it they could strip the hide off of it ...
 
The fact that he did take off against traffic and without using radio most likely has nothing to do with his lack of medical or frankly anything related to his alleged “free citizen” status - I know some very ordinary folks with medicals and without any claims to being “sovereign” that were very much guilty of similar actions.
 
Warmi said:
The fact that he did take off against traffic and without using radio most likely has nothing to do with his lack of medical or frankly anything related to his alleged “free citizen” status - I know some very ordinary folks with medicals and without any claims to being “sovereign” that were very much guilty of similar actions.
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But when the kinder, gentler FAA contacts you with regard to an investigation, and you tell them they have no authority over you, you end up in leg irons. Especially if you’re operating a commercial aviation business.
 
I note that it's in Alaska, always heard that operating without a certificate was fairly common up there. I've never met anyone who openly operated outside the rules but it's not like I'm gonna check. Given that unless there's an incident/accident nobody is likely to check I imagine it's more common than we'd think.
 
I mean, he didn't have a commercial certificate, so he couldn't be engaged in commerce. He was simply traveling in his air conveyance.
 
I note that the Magistrate ordered him “not to operate an aircraft”. I’m sure that will be effective:rolleyes:
 
X3 Skier said:
I note that the Magistrate ordered him “not to operate an aircraft”. I’m sure that will be effective:rolleyes:
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Well, his whole point was that they can go f*** themselves so I guess it wont be very effective.. and frankly, being that this is happening in Alaska, he probably earned that right …. :)
 
I have a nickel that says there's tax evasion charges coming in a separate action.
cowman said:
I've never met anyone who openly operated outside the rules but it's not like I'm gonna check. Given that unless there's an incident/accident nobody is likely to check I imagine it's more common than we'd think.
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Not Alaska, but several years ago I was doing some Champ shopping. I talked to more than one guy who had a Champ that hadn't had an annual in recent years, may or may not have had valid registration, and the pilot hadn't had a valid medical in years (and this was before Basic Med) -- they just fly off the farm strip, nobody knows or cares. I guess it shouldn't have surprised me, but it did.
 
The guy at one time had a medical and had registration. His flight review and medical lapsed, then he wrote a letter to the FAA to de-register the plane. Looking him up on the airmen registry, he was a cfii as well as being an ap/ia.

To me this reads like mental illness.

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DaleB said:
Not Alaska, but several years ago I was doing some Champ shopping. I talked to more than one guy who had a Champ that hadn't had an annual in recent years, may or may not have had valid registration, and the pilot hadn't had a valid medical in years (and this was before Basic Med) -- they just fly off the farm strip, nobody knows or cares. I guess it shouldn't have surprised me, but it did.
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I saw the headline and wondered if he took off from his own land... nope. He departed from (and returned to) a municipal airport. That seems to contradict the spirit of a 'benign anarchy' that I perceive as motivating the 'sovereign citizen' ethos. Kind of like those "autonomous" protesters in Seattle and elsewhere, who were autonomous only after seizing property and buildings owned by others, and who demanded they be provided with provisions (among other political demands) to maintain their LARP fantasy.

The other thing -- according to reports, the pilot took off against the prevailing flow of traffic. Even if that was NOT a downwind departure, it shows a poor sort of ADM, regardless of his citizenship status.
 
cowman said:
I note that it's in Alaska, always heard that operating without a certificate was fairly common up there. I've never met anyone who openly operated outside the rules but it's not like I'm gonna check. Given that unless there's an incident/accident nobody is likely to check I imagine it's more common than we'd think.
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It is not that it is fairly common, but the folks that don't abide by the rules are usually pretty proud of that fact and can't keep their pie hole closed. They just can't shut up and finally someone gets tired of it and turns them in.

I knew of a couple folks in the lower 48 operating without a medical certificate, but they were closed mouth about it and got away with it for years. I was surprised to learn they did not have medicals. Which is a shame because now they could operate under basic med.

Many years ago there was an incident in Alaska where I was living where one of these ''sovereign citizens'' flew into the AM radio antenna one night, taking himself and his 12 year old son out of the gene pool. Of course he did not have a certificate, or a medical and the plane was decades out of annual. The plane had a ADF which would have pointed towards the antenna if it had been turned on.

This guy was also involved in a law suit (against who I don't know) about the house he built. He built it himself, meaning he did the work, but did not follow any building code. Yes, even BFE Alaska has to follow the rules. He was trying to sell it but no financial company would loan on it, so he was suing someone. It was a nice house, except for the questionable electric, plumbing and framing. As far as I know it is still sitting there rotting away.

I met several characters in Alaska. Some were interesting while others I could not stop myself from laughing out loud... :lol:
 
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