Something You Will Never Hear On The News

[Geico266]

You're a 19 year old infantry soldier.
You're* critically wounded and dying in
The* jungle somewhere in the northern highland of VietNam.

You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns and you know you're not getting out. Your family is half way around the world, 12,000 miles away, and you'll never see them again.

As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the day. Or is it.

Over the machine gun noise you faintly hear that sound of a helicopter. You look up to see a Huey coming in. But.. It doesn't seem real* because no MedEvac markings are on it.

Captain Ed Freeman is coming in for you. Get ready you are going home.

He's not MedEvac so it's not his job, but he heard the radio call and decided he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire anyway. Even after the MedEvacs were ordered not to come. He's coming anyway. That is who he is.

He drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire, as they load 3 of you at a time on board. Then he flies you up and out of the gunfire to the doctors and nurses and safety. Home.

And, he kept coming back!! 13 more* times!!
Until all the wounded were out. No one knew until the mission was over that the Captain had been hit 4 times in the legs and left arm.

He took 29 of you and your buddies out that day. Some would not have made it without the Captain and his Huey. All of you saw his bravery in action.

None of you heard he passed.

Medal of Honor Recipient, Captain Ed Freeman, United States Air Force, died last Wednesday at the age of 70, in Boise , Idaho.

May God Bless and Rest His Soul. Lord knows he has done enough.

I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we've sure seen a whole bunch of **** about Lindsay Lohan, Tiger Woods and the bickering of congress over Health Reform.

Medal of Honor Winner Captain Ed Freeman now rests.

Shame on the media.

Someone on POA asked me why I put on a uniform and what did I get out of it. The pride I get from just associating myself with heros like Captain Freeman is why I put the uniform on, and why I served to the best of my ability in the roll I was given.

War sucks, but the people who fight it for our country are the best of the best.

 

[Velocity173]

That's a good story Gieco, only that Ed "too tall" Freeman was an Army Aviator. Go Army!

EDIT: He was also 80 when he died in 2008.

 

[Geico266]

That's a good story Gieco, only that Ed "too tall" Freeman was an Army Aviator. Go Army!

EDIT: He was also 80 when he died in 2008.

An oldie buy a goodie!

Still, these heros stories should be told every damn day!

 

[Graueradler]

Died 5 years ago

 

[Geico266]

Ed Freeman's Medal of Honor citation reads as follows:
Captain Ed W. Freeman, United States Army, distinguished himself by numerous acts of conspicuous gallantry and extraordinary intrepidity on 14 November 1965 while serving with Company A, 229th Assault Helicopter Battalion, 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile). As a flight leader and second in command of a 16-helicopter lift unit, he supported a heavily engaged American infantry battalion at Landing Zone X-Ray in the Ia Drang Valley, Republic of Vietnam. The unit was almost out of ammunition after taking some of the heaviest casualties of the war, fighting off a relentless attack from a highly motivated, heavily armed enemy force. When the infantry commander closed the helicopter landing zone due to intense direct enemy fire, Captain Freeman risked his own life by flying his unarmed helicopter through a gauntlet of enemy fire time after time, delivering critically needed ammunition, water and medical supplies to the besieged battalion. His flights had a direct impact on the battle's outcome by providing the engaged units with timely supplies of ammunition critical to their survival, without which they would almost surely have gone down, with much greater loss of life. After medical evacuation helicopters refused to fly into the area due to intense enemy fire, Captain Freeman flew 14 separate rescue missions, providing life-saving evacuation of an estimated 30 seriously wounded soldiers — some of whom would not have survived had he not acted. All flights were made into a small emergency landing zone within 100 to 200 meters of the defensive perimeter where heavily committed units were perilously holding off the attacking elements. Captain Freeman's selfless acts of great valor, extraordinary perseverance and intrepidity were far above and beyond the call of duty or mission and set a superb example of leadership and courage for all of his peers. Captain Freeman's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit upon himself, his unit and the United States Army.

Died 5 years ago

Does that make a difference to the men he saved?

Did you hear about the anniversary of his death?

 

[darrell]

Does that make a difference to the men he saved?

Did you hear about the anniversary of his death?

Who were the other three crewmen aboard the helicopter and what awards did they receive?

 

[Geico266]

Who were the other three crewmen aboard the helicopter and what awards did they receive?

Exceptional question.
Exceptional point!

They should be recognized for their bravery also. Including the guys back at the base doing the maintenance on the Huey. Yes, I am serious! The cooks who feed the Captain & crews, payroll clerks so the troop could send money home, mail room guys & gals to keep moral up. Everyone does their job to the best of their ability, everyone wins.

No man is an island.

An exceptional point!

Well done sir.

 

[bbchien]

The current medal of honor winner, Capt. Swanson, is there to remind us the REMFs are everywhere. Yes, I said that.

 

[Geico266]

The current medal of honor winner, Capt. Swanson, is there to remind us the REMFs are everywhere. Yes, I said that.

And I wholeheartedly agree. Without the rear eschalon M***** F****** nothing happens. War is a team effort. Some guys carry the ball, some guys carry the water. Who is more important? Ask the guy carrying the ball.

 

[darrell]

As a "back-ender" in a helicopter (flying trunk monkey), I have a soft spot for when individuals in an aircrew are singled out with no mention of the rest of the crew. I understand that the aircraft commander (PIC) is the guy who ultimately gets the credit (or blame) but I always appreciate it when the people who helped him (directly and indirectly) are at least mentioned.

I don't know who the rest of Ed's crew was that day, but I wish I did, and I wish other people did, too.

 

[JOhnH]

Thanks Geico,

I heard about Capt. Freeman's heroics years ago. I wasn't aware he had passed. Whether it was yesterday or 5 years ago is irrelevant. He and his support term were heroes doing their duty in an unpopular war. But as Capt Freeman himself has said, the real heroes were the men they pulled out of the jungle.

Now, where's that damn box of tissues.

 

[Geico266]

Last night I met a Metal of Honor winner.

I went to Lowes for a dimmer switch. I saw this worker struggling with a wire winder so I gave him a hand. He was spooling up 200' of thick wire and the customer was just standing their watching.

I grabbed the spool and while he pulled I wound the wire on the coil machine so it would be a neat packaged for the goof waiting for the clerk to finish. Its what I do, help when I can.

I got to talking to the guy who was a little flustered by the winding machine and he mentioned some thing about Iraq. I asked a few questions and all of a sudden he was telling me about his vehicle being blown up and his leg being bent 90 degree to the side. On one leg and with shear determination he was not going to let his buddies burn up. He pulled them out of the vehicle and carried them, under sniper fire, to the safety of another vehicle. He pulled 6 more out before he was hit and knocked down with a sever wound to his shoulder.

After 2 years in the VA hospital, a knee and shoulder replacement, they decided he needed a metal of honor, a purple heart, and a couple of other medals. He now works at Lowes in the electrical department. The incident was 4 years ago, he has been out for a year.

An amazing story and an amazing man. After the story, I had tears in my eyes as he said "Good talking with yoiu, but that lady over their looks lost. I need to help her."

Before he left I looked him in the eyes and asked him if he is okay now. He responded with; "Some days are better than others". This is a good day, thanks for your help and thanks for listening. "

 

[JOhnH]

Of course you meant "meDal of honor "recipient".
You are awarded the meDal. You don't win it. It is not a competition.

But semantics aside; good story and good on you.

 

[momalley]

My uncle and a classmate of his were both MOH winners in Vietnam. My uncle is still alive and now resides in Texas. His classmate was issued the medal posthumously.

http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/3378/o-malley-robert-e.php

http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/3373/noonan-thomas-p-jr.php

Both of these men did what many others have as well whom were not awarded the recognition that they all deserve.

 

[JOhnH]

My uncle and a classmate of his were both MOH winners in Vietnam.

I apologize in advance, but please don't refer to them as "MOH winners". There was no competition and no winners. The heroes were awarded recognition in the form of a medal.

 

[momalley]

I apologize in advance, but please don't refer to them as "MOH winners". There was no competition and no winners. The heroes were awarded recognition in the form of a medal.

You are correct, incorrect choice of word on my part

 

[Velocity173]

Last night I met a Metal of Honor winner.

I went to Lowes for a dimmer switch. I saw this worker struggling with a wire winder so I gave him a hand. He was spooling up 200' of thick wire and the customer was just standing their watching.

I grabbed the spool and while he pulled I wound the wire on the coil machine so it would be a neat packaged for the goof waiting for the clerk to finish. Its what I do, help when I can.

I got to talking to the guy who was a little flustered by the winding machine and he mentioned some thing about Iraq. I asked a few questions and all of a sudden he was telling me about his vehicle being blown up and his leg being bent 90 degree to the side. On one leg and with shear determination he was not going to let his buddies burn up. He pulled them out of the vehicle and carried them, under sniper fire, to the safety of another vehicle. He pulled 6 more out before he was hit and knocked down with a sever wound to his shoulder.

After 2 years in the VA hospital, a knee and shoulder replacement, they decided he needed a metal of honor, a purple heart, and a couple of other medals. He now works at Lowes in the electrical department. The incident was 4 years ago, he has been out for a year.

An amazing story and an amazing man. After the story, I had tears in my eyes as he said "Good talking with yoiu, but that lady over their looks lost. I need to help her."

Before he left I looked him in the eyes and asked him if he is okay now. He responded with; "Some days are better than others". This is a good day, thanks for your help and thanks for listening. "

All the MOHs awarded in Iraq were posthumously. His description doesn't even go with any citation awarded in OEF either.

 

[taters]

WOW. Great story

 

[Geico266]

You are correct, incorrect choice of word on my part

I stand corrected also.

Give your uncle my best the next time you see him. Make sure you see him sooner rather than later. Tomorrow may be too late.

 

[Geico266]

All the MOHs awarded in Iraq were posthumously. His description doesn't even go with any citation awarded in OEF either.

I don' t believe that is correct. I have watched several receive the award on TV. They looked alive to me.

1 in 6 is posthumously awarded though, that we can all agree is heroic action under fire.

 

[Banjo33]

I count 4 in Iraq...all posthumous.

http://www.history.army.mil/moh/iraq.html

 

[Geico266]

I count 4 in Iraq...all posthumous.

http://www.history.army.mil/moh/iraq.html

Negative.

11 have received the award, 4 are still alive.

Granted, none with the first name of the guy who told me he was one.

Not the first time I have been lied to by someone bragging about their military service.

I can,t tell you the number of Vietnam huey door gunners I have met.

http://iava.org/hall-heroes-medal-honor

Sorry folks, the story about the Lowes guy was a lie. He cannot possible be a MOH winner. Im headed to Lowes in the morning. Nothing worse than a person that lies about their military service.

 

[Velocity173]

Negative.

11 have received the award, 4 are still alive.

Granted, none with the first name of the guy who told me he was one.

Not the first time I have been lied to by someone bragging about their military service.

I can,t tell you the number of Vietnam huey door gunners I have met.

http://iava.org/hall-heroes-medal-honor

Sorry folks, the story about the Lowes guy was a lie. He cannot possible be a MOH winner. Im headed to Lowes in the morning. Nothing worse than a person that lies about their military service.

Banjo is referring to the only 4 awarded in Iraq. No living recipients from OIF. The 9 others from the GWOT were from Afghanistan. Either way, if your Lowes guy said he got it in Iraq, then he's obviously lying.

It's definitely not unheard of these days. Just visit the website Stolen Valor and you'll see plenty of false stories going around these days. Everybody wants to be a war hero.

 

[Brad Z]

I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we've sure seen a whole bunch of **** about Lindsay Lohan, Tiger Woods and the bickering of congress over Health Reform.

Medal of Honor Winner Captain Ed Freeman now rests.

Shame on the media.

I know you simply copy and pasted this here from an email or Facebook post, but the reason you probably didn't hear of his passing is that Captain Freeman, like many humble veterans, is not out there trying to generation attention to himself. After the war he went on with his life as best he could, and like many Vietnam vets, probably tried to put that part of his life behind him.

We can blame the media all we want, but the death of otherwise unknown war hero is generally not national news.

As you discovered, it's the veterans who quietly live their civilian lives, or the families of the fallen, who often most deserve our thanks for their sacrifice.

 

[Henning]

I know you simply copy and pasted this here from an email or Facebook post, but the reason you probably didn't hear of his passing is that Captain Freeman, like many humble veterans, is not out there trying to generation attention to himself. After the war he went on with his life as best he could, and like many Vietnam vets, probably tried to put that part of his life behind him.

We can blame the media all we want, but the death of otherwise unknown war hero is generally not national news.

As you discovered, it's the veterans who quietly live their civilian lives, or the families of the fallen, who often most deserve our thanks for their sacrifice.

Well, he did make it into the movie 'We were Soldiers' even if he was portrayed by an actor.

 

[AmazonChitlin]

Im headed to Lowes in the morning. Nothing worse than a person that lies about their military service.

I'd be interested to hear what he has to say. I'll be watching with interest

 

[JoseCuervo]

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None of you heard he passed.

Medal of Honor Recipient, Captain Ed Freeman, United States Air Force, died last Wednesday at the age of 70, in Boise , Idaho.

May God Bless and Rest His Soul. Lord knows he has done enough.

I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we've sure seen a whole bunch of **** about Lindsay Lohan, Tiger Woods and the bickering of congress over Health Reform.

Medal of Honor Winner Captain Ed Freeman now rests.

Shame on the media.

Someone on POA asked me why I put on a uniform and what did I get out of it. The pride I get from just associating myself with heros like Captain Freeman is why I put the uniform on, and why I served to the best of my ability in the roll I was given.

War sucks, but the people who fight it for our country are the best of the best. .

What is the point of posting complete nonsense and rubbish?

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Analysis: From the closing sentences above, one could come away with the impression that the courageous life and quiet death of retired Army Captain and Medal of Honor recipient Ed W. Freeman had been completely ignored by the media. Not so, as the partial list of news sources further down this page shows. It may not have made front-page news, but Freeman's passing on August 20, 2008 was commemorated in a special segment on the NBC Nightly News, an AP national wire story, and obituaries published in newspapers across the country. .

He didn't die last Wednesday, we didn't wast time talking about Healthcare reform and Tiger Woods and Lindsay Lohan.

When he did die, it mad the news. And then we named a post office after him, and that made the news.

Hell, you don't even care enough about his story to get his age right. You claim he died at age 70, which interesting for a guy that was born in 1927 joined the Army in 1944 at age 17 and was awarded the MOH in 2001.


I am not sure the purpose of cutting and pasting emails and Facebook postings from your crazy uncle....... Unless, you are the crazy uncle that believes this kind of nonsense.



Sources and further reading:

Congress Names Post Office for Valley Medal of Honor Recipient
Idaho Press-Tribune, 18 March 2009

Medal of Honor Veteran Dies in Idaho
Associated Press, 20 August 2008

A 'Best Pilot' Takes His Last Flight
Sunday Gazette-Mail, 24 August 2008

Boise Medal of Honor Recipient Passes Away
KTVB-TV News, 20 August 2008

Medal of Honor Recipient Ed Freeman, 80, Dies
NBC Nightly News, 21 August 2008

Flags Flown at Half-Mast for Freeman
Mountain Home News, 22 August 2008

Medal of Honor Recipient Ed Freeman Dies
KBCI-TV News, 20 August 2008

Bush Presents Congressional Medal of Honor to Ed Freeman
CNN transcript, 16 July 2001

Recognition for One of America's Best
Anniston Star, 17 Feburary 2007

Medal of Honor - History
U.S. Army website




He has a great story. He was a hero. Why use his story in a lie to drive an agenda that he may not have given a **** about?

The guy at Lowes is "stealing valor", but not sure that is any worse than using Ed Freeman's story to push around some nonsensical rubbish to push an agenda that Ed Freeman may not have supported.

 

[SCCutler]

What is the point of posting complete nonsense and rubbish?
...

You might well note that Geico, having been corrected, has acknowledged his errors in fact, an act of dignity and contrition. His message remains valid.

Yours, not so much.

 

[JoseCuervo]

You might well note that Geico, having been corrected, has acknowledged his errors in fact, an act of dignity and contrition. His message remains valid.

Yours, not so much.

Could you please show me which part was "contrition" and which part was "dignity"?

Here is what Geico replied when pointed out the facts were wrong:

An oldie buy a goodie!

Still, these heros stories should be told every damn day!

His goal was to not tell Ed Freeman's story. Look at the title of the thread. It was to drive an agenda about the media ignoring a hero, which, in fact, was complete rubbish.

Do you really think his message is "valid"? How so?

 

[Velocity173]

Yeah definitely not worth getting worked up about. Geico was just trying to show respect to a deceased veteran who was awarded the MOH. While the story has flaws, his intentions were out of respect. I'm sure "Too Tall" wouldn't care about the error if he was alive. Probably get a chuckle out of the Air Force thing.

Guys like Ed Freeman, Bruce Crandall, Mike Novosel and others are legends in Army Aviation and they all have had a great influence on Army Aviators today. We're lucky to have had these gentlemen in our ranks.

 

[Becky]

Could you please show me which part was "contrition" and which part was "dignity"?

Post 19, contrition and dignity. Geico said:

I stand corrected also.

Give your uncle my best the next time you see him. Make sure you see him sooner rather than later. Tomorrow may be too late.

Most people think certain things deserve more news coverage than others. It's subjective. Geico is expressing his opinion that certain things should receive more, or different, coverage than they do.

There are a number of issues that I would certainly like to see "in the news" that will not be there, or will be there minimally, because the people in charge of "the news" feel differently than I. Just because I can Google an issue and come up with a list of places it actually appeared, doesn't mean I think that's enough coverage.

Geico's post, and other posts honoring veterans, however perfectly or imperfectly written, are worthy of reading in the spirit with which they are written, which is one of gratitude for others' service. A valid message. Not rubbish.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Post 19, contrition and dignity. Geico said:


Most people think certain things deserve more news coverage than others. It's subjective. Geico is expressing his opinion that certain things should receive more, or different, coverage than they do.

There are a number of issues that I would certainly like to see "in the news" that will not be there, or will be there minimally, because the people in charge of "the news" feel differently than I. Just because I can Google an issue and come up with a list of places it actually appeared, doesn't mean I think that's enough coverage.

Geico's post, and other posts honoring veterans, however perfectly or imperfectly written, are worthy of reading in the spirit with which they are written, which is one of gratitude for others' service. A valid message. Not rubbish.

Post #19 had absolutely nothing to do with "contrition" and "dignity" about the errors and rubbish in the OP. #19 was in response to the "metal of honor winner" from the hardware store where it was pointed out there is no competition to "win".

The "crazy uncle email" that is the OP has been recycled many times with the "author" replacing various black guys (Michael Jackson, Chris Brown, Tiger Woods, etc) to call out the media for not giving enough coverage to a white guy's passing that the media didn't care about (and neither did Geico if he didn't have interest until 5 years later).

Again, what was the purpose of all the political/false agenda crap? EVERY Medal of Honor recipient has an amazing story, and they are all interesting reads. Why wrap a bunch of nonsense around them to push an agenda?

 

[Geico266]

Post #19 had absolutely nothing to do with "contrition" and "dignity" about the errors and rubbish in the OP. #19 was in response to the "metal of honor winner" from the hardware store where it was pointed out there is no competition to "win".

The "crazy uncle email" that is the OP has been recycled many times with the "author" replacing various black guys (Michael Jackson, Chris Brown, Tiger Woods, etc) to call out the media for not giving enough coverage to a white guy's passing that the media didn't care about (and neither did Geico if he didn't have interest until 5 years later).

Again, what was the purpose of all the political/false agenda crap? EVERY Medal of Honor recipient has an amazing story, and they are all interesting reads. Why wrap a bunch of nonsense around them to push an agenda?

How many stories of MOH winners or veterans have you posted?

How have you supported vets?

My only agenda is to support veterans. I have sponsored several seats in the Nebraska Honor Flights to DC for WWII and Korean War Vets, and I have volunteered to escort disabled vets to DC, and drive them from their homes to the airports.

If I used the story to push an agenda that was not my goal. The goal is to continue to shine s light on our vets and their needs. They do not get enough attention. Suicide rates are way over the statistical averages. Not all vets seeking help get it.

There are many reasons combat wounded servicemen like the guy I met at Lowes brags and distorts their service experience. Not dealing with PTSD is a major reason.

 

[JoseCuervo]

How many stories of MOH winners or veterans have you posted?

How have you supported vets?

My only agenda is to support veterans. I have sponsored several seats in the Nebraska Honor Flights to DC for WWII and Korean War Vets, and I have volunteered to escort disabled vets to DC, and drive them from their homes to the airports.

If I used the story to push an agenda that was not my goal. The goal is to continue to shine s light on our vets and their needs. They do not get enough attention. Suicide rates are way over the statistical averages. Not all vets seeking help get it.

There are many reasons combat wounded servicemen like the guy I met at Lowes brags and distorts their service experience. Not dealing with PTSD is a major reason.

Again, you come back and call them "MOH winners". For a cause that seems so important to you, you don't seem to understand the honor, how it is bestowed, or even how it is recorded.

You didn't care enough about Ed Freeman's story to bother to post factual information, but you did care enough about some agenda to use a dead hero's story to rail against the media paying too much attention to a "fill in the blank" black, male "celebrity". Do you think the agenda your OP was trying to advance was important to Ed Freeman, or does that matter when you take his story to "forward a crazy uncle email" with some faux outrage?


If you really care about the plight of our nation's vets, can you link to your outrage on the GOP cutting food stamps that many veterans and military families rely on?

 

[Bob Noel]

Again, you come back and call them "MOH winners". For a cause that seems so important to you, you don't seem to understand the honor, how it is bestowed, or even how it is recorded.

You didn't care enough about Ed Freeman's story to bother to post factual information, but you did care enough about some agenda to use a dead hero's story to rail against the media paying too much attention to a "fill in the blank" black, male "celebrity". Do you think the agenda your OP was trying to advance was important to Ed Freeman, or does that matter when you take his story to "forward a crazy uncle email" with some faux outrage?


If you really care about the plight of our nation's vets, can you link to your outrage on the GOP cutting food stamps that many veterans and military families rely on?

I guess with you everything is about the bad things done by Republicans.

what a waste.

 

[Jimmy cooper]

Just about a week ago, the President (black) was on T.V. Hanging a medal on a Sargent (white) and it may have been a MOH. All pols, regardless of party like to get in on this type of event as it shows " they care". However, when it comes to care ing for them after they are blown up, mauled and mentally damaged there never seems to be enough funding to take care of them and in the next 20 years this help will cost BILLIONS! This seems to be a fact they don't consider when they plunge us into these stupid , poorly thought out debacles.

 

[JoseCuervo]

I guess with you everything is about the bad things done by Republicans.

what a waste.

Yep. Cutting foodsta,ps from veterans and military families is on the GOP. Do you support taking food out of soldier's little kids lunch box?

 

[Becky]

Yep. Cutting foodsta,ps from veterans and military families is on the GOP. Do you support taking food out of soldier's little kids lunch box?

It's a game that politicians play. All of them, not just one party. This is well known. It's why our government is in such a mess.

In early October, Harry Reid "blocked votes on House-passed bills to fund veterans, the military reserves and National Guard, the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and national memorials."

"Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana is facing reelection in 2014, but she isn't breaking from her party on the stopgap funding bills. Asked Thursday morning at a press conference if she would vote for the NIH or veterans affairs bills, Landrieu told The Weekly Standard, 'I would not. This cannot be done by piecemeal and should not be done by piecemeal. What part is more important than the next?'"


Rich Moran of American Thinker writes to Senator Landrieu:

Dear Senator Landrieu:

The whole point of governing is making choices, you ninny. It's up to you and your colleagues to figure out "what part is more important than the next." That's your job. It's exactly the reason we have a $17 trillion debt, a $800 billion deficit, and an entitlement system that is on the way to bankrupting us.
​

Moran goes on to say that "Republicans aren't much better, but at least they acknowledge that making choices is part of the job. In this case, Democrats have chosen to make war on vets, sick children, and others simply to spite Republicans. This, then, is the party of 'compassion?'"

Becky thinks it's time to stop blustering that this or that party is causing all the problem, is cruel, is profligate, is idiotic, etc. etc.

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said, "Annoy a Republican. Help someone." Naturally, one could imagine a sticker next to that one, reading "Annoy a Democrat. Create sustainable systems and foster personal responsibility."

But does such back-and-forth get us anywhere? Yes. The current quagmire.

 

[Geico266]

Yep. Cutting foodsta,ps from veterans and military families is on the GOP. Do you support taking food out of soldier's little kids lunch box?

Currently, this thread is not in the SZ. Political discussions, accusations, and misrepresentations are really not encouraged in Hangar Talk. They can get you booted off POA. That would be a travesty in your life as you have so much to learn about your politicsl indoctrination. Come on into the SZ and get a real education.

Please leave political jabs and barbs in the SZ.

If the mods think this thread should be in the SZ I would certainly agree. The truth offend offends.

 

[Henning]

Currently, this thread is not in the SZ. Political discussions, accusations, and misrepresentations are really not encouraged in Hangar Talk. They can get you booted off POA. That would be a travesty in your life as you have so much to learn about your politicsl indoctrination. Come on into the SZ and get a real education.

Please leave political jabs and barbs in the SZ.

Then why did you misplace it here to begin with?