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Lies! All lies!!
All the numbers are fabricated. Mscard88 said Eglin Approach is the busiest!
It was one of the busiest in the Air Force. Never claimed it was the busiest, don't know where ya got that from. I did say ATL was the busiest airport in the world a few times. Maybe you're confused w/ geography?
Guess I should've put a on that. Never heard you even mention how busy Eglin is/was.
If you look at controller workload, Eglin would be comparable to anything on the list. Friend of mine works at ATL TRACON and he said he was far busier working Approach in the Marines. Everything at ATL is canned and sectorized so no one controller is overloaded. It was like touring a center when I went down there. Where we worked, the number of ops are less but it's one person working it with no STARs / SIDS. Aircraft arriving and departing in 360 directions
Also Macon and Columbus TRACONS were combined into ATL TRACON years ago. The facility is just east of Peachtree City's airport. So ATL TRACON provides service to not only ATL but MCN and CSG airports also, and surrounding smaller airports.
Where's the Meme? I was expecting to be entertained. This is just numbers
I read it through. There is the 'dik measuring' comment. Lol. They could do a great skit with thisA
One of the rare times they put out something serious on ATC MEMES...at least they said these are non fictional numbers.
I'll bite. Chicago, Atlanta, Denver and Miami. But if you go back far enough I'd bet they all are a combination of former standalone facilities.Of the ten facilities on that list, only four are not “consolidated” TRACON’s. See if you can guess which are which.
and most of it lies on the wrong side of the big crack which makes that part of the state perilously close to becoming and island or New Atlantis. Congrats!
Hard to believe NYC isn't the busiest
Norcal came laterI always have to laugh at this notion buy others around the country that California ONE day MAY somehow fall off into the ocean...meanwhile entire towns are blown off the map in Hurricanes and Tornados in the Midwest and East Coast EVERY year!
I know...science is hard. I'll take my odds.
...and yeah, it is stupid busy an too many people!
Back on topic, during my SoCal TRACON tour they did day that it was most likely the last of the Super TRACON facilities to ever be built. Moving forward the FAA is going with a smaller regional approach to the physical facilities both for security and distribute the risk of one jackwaggon compromising the entire system at a consolidated facility.
.... and most of it lies on the wrong side of the big crack which makes that part of the state perilously close to becoming an island or New Atlantis. Congrats!
If New York had Southern California's weather it might get closeHard to believe NYC isn't the busiest
Wah happened to Cleveland. They were historically the busiest. Guess the death of the Rust Belt took a toll
If New York had Southern California's weather it might get close
Which one covers more airspace? (serious question)
Pretty sure New York. But pure size doesn't tell the whole story. A lot of it is Oceanic stuff. A huge piece of Los Angeles is delegated to Joshua Approach and a lot of LA's sky is Restricted and Warning areas that are almost always hot. You really can't gauge 'busyness' on just overall volume of sky and number of operationsWhich one covers more airspace? (serious question)
Yeah. Location to. The interior Centers have a lot more traffic passing through at altitude. The ones in the 'corners' have lot more stuff climbing and descending traffic. LA for instance has very little traffic just passin through and almost all of the traffic is in a piece of pie about 140 degrees wideI would think number of airports within that TRACON airspace would be a more relevant metric to compare than just geographic size.
So True. Three Class C's that either overlap or abut LAX's Class B, another C close by (March) and another Class B less than 100 miles to the south. Add to that about a dozen Class D's and a bunch of nontowereds that I count on the TAC, many under the shelves of Class B and C...On a pure commercial ops level juts looking a B and C operations yeah, I would agree but there are a lot more C and D airports crammed into the SoCal airspace overall.
SOCAL is the busiest, and it’s *really* busy! Nice bragging rights, but you still have to be a Californian to brag about it, so there’s the downside. To sum up, California is extremely congested, overcrowded, overrated, underfunded, and most of it lies on the wrong side of the big crack which makes that part of the state perilously close to becoming an island or New Atlantis. Congrats!
I'll bite. Chicago, Atlanta, Denver and Miami. But if you go back far enough I'd bet they all are a combination of former standalone facilities.
Back on topic, during my SoCal TRACON tour they did day that it was most likely the last of the Super TRACON facilities to ever be built. Moving forward the FAA is going with a smaller regional approach to the physical facilities both for security and distribute the risk of one jackwaggon compromising the entire system at a consolidated facility.
Hard to believe NYC isn't the busiest
Pretty sure New York. But pure size doesn't tell the whole story. A lot of it is Oceanic stuff. A huge piece of Los Angeles is delegated to Joshua Approach and a lot of LA's sky is Restricted and Warning areas that are almost always hot. You really can't gauge 'busyness' on just overall volume of sky and number of operations
So True. Three Class C's that either overlap or abut LAX's Class B, another C close by (March) and another Class B less than 100 miles to the south. Add to that about a dozen Class D's and a bunch of nontowereds that I count on the TAC, many under the shelves of Class B and C...
Keeps us on our toes!
No. ORD and MDW are 13 miles apart. Would be pretty hard to have different TRACONs work both. They are the busiest stand alone TRACON in that the controllers that work there are certified in every position in the room. The consolidated TRACONs like so-cal, New York, Potomac, etc have different areas the controllers are assigned to. Much like small centers.Isn't Chicago approach a "quasi-super" TRACON, given that they cover ORD and MDW, plus whatever else?