So what in YOUR emergency bag?

Anthony said:
potential emergency landings
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I think that's what got the sailors in trouble if I remember the story right. Their CCW had reciprocity in their origin and destination but en route they had to stop and that's where they got burned... and incidentally the emergency is what made the Coast Guard get involved. I forget the full details though

Anthony said:
It just isn't worth it.
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That seems like a smart and pragmatic approach!
 
Anthony said:
It is very complex when travelling over, and in multiple states, as every state law is different, and different states will have reciprocity with your state if you do get a CCW permit (license to conceal carry a firearm). The best thing to do if unsure is to leave it at home. I check which states I will be landing in, but also which ones I will be flying over prior to making that decision, and factor in fuel stops, weather diversions, and potential emergency landings. I will not put myself at risk for landing in a state in which my permit does not cover me. It just isn't worth it.
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The second admendment is pretty clear to me.

And the only time you're a going to know a American is carrying is if you're a sub human criminal that's getting drawn on, or you're a tasty something that's going to be on the grill :)
 
There are peaceable journey laws which can come into play with firearms. They won't help with concealed carry but they do provide an option for an unloaded firearm in a locked container. I'm sure Chicago, New York and most of New Jersey would try to ignore the laws so it'd take lots of $$$ to defend yourself from over-zealous defenders of the so-called public interests in such areas.

Of course out here in the middle of the country there's not so much to worry about as long as we stay out of the far west.
 
Peaceable journey won't save you if you get stopped due to weather in an inhospitable state. Been some nasty situations in NJ where a guy even had properly checked his gun through on a commercial flight, got diverted to Newark, and the airline made him take possession of something that should have never been given to him in that state.
 
Tantalum said:
Couple people mentioned flying with a pistol... I do not own but completely curious question: what are the legalities of flying across state lines with one? I remember reading on a sailing forum that some boaters got in hot water over something similar when they were boarded for a routine Coast Guard safety check
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Here are some websites that give pretty good info. I'm a current Fed LEO, so I can carry pretty much carry anywhere, but others aren't so fortunate, especially in California and New Jersey.

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/
https://www.usacarry.com/
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
 
flyingron said:
Peaceable journey won't save you if you get stopped due to weather in an inhospitable state. Been some nasty situations in NJ where a guy even had properly checked his gun through on a commercial flight, got diverted to Newark, and the airline made him take possession of something that should have never been given to him in that state.
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As I understand it peaceable journey is intended to allow an otherwise law abiding citizen to travel through an area that prohibits possession of a firearm. Yes, some jurisdictions attempt to interpret that to mean that one cannot stop in that area. Even Denver tried to do that and the state legislature and courts said no. The prosecution should be required to prove criminal intent in a situation such as a weather divert but leaving anything in the hands of a local judge and/or jury is always dicey.

In the case of the airline diversion it seems easy to defend but it would take $$$. If ya haven't got the money then you'll eat the conviction. All you can hope for is a plea deal since an honest prosecutor may be tough to find (specially in an election year).
 
I carry a gun because I spend a considerable amount of time in wild country with my nearest neighbor 7 miles away. My cabin trips when I encountered bears outnumber those when I didn't for the past two summers. Not a threat but I don't intend to allow them to become one (again). I prefer my 45-70 guide gun but the 500 magnum is easier to carry.
 
Stewartb said:
Not a threat but I don't intend to allow them to become one (again)
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Encountering an angry bear would definitely not be on my list of things I want to do!
 
Knife, matches, and Russian Vodka. Either to exchange, drink, or use as fire accelerant. Can work as an antiseptic, too. ;)
 
Tantalum said:
Couple people mentioned flying with a pistol... I do not own but completely curious question: what are the legalities of flying across state lines with one? I remember reading on a sailing forum that some boaters got in hot water over something similar when they were boarded for a routine Coast Guard safety check
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You received a lot of pessimistic replies, but what matters is what area of the country you travel in. Many pistol owners do have a concealed carry permit.. its really the way to go even if you don't plan on carrying it every day. I am from NC and I find that my permit is valid almost anywhere I want to travel. Except for a few crappy states in the northeast, chicago and california I am good to go.

Fortunately something like 45% of households own firearms and there is a lot of information about gun laws in each state. Its easy to check the laws and especially reciprocity (I use www.usacarry.com )
 
Thanks Ren... down the line if I ever own I'll look closer into it. Frankly never would have though to bring one flying in an emergency bag, but I guess if you land somewhere in the back country it would be a good security against bears, etc.
 
Funny, an old friend just liked/shared a post on FB about pemmican which supposedly has a 50 year shelf life. Made me think about this thread and whether it'd be worthwhile adding to the emergency bag.
 
Tantalum said:
Thanks Ren... down the line if I ever own I'll look closer into it. Frankly never would have though to bring one flying in an emergency bag, but I guess if you land somewhere in the back country it would be a good security against bears, etc.
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It's probably better for signaling. A hand gun against a bear is likely to just **** it off unless the handgun is something in 500 mag or the bear is a little one like you might find back east.
 
I have a concealed carry permit and don't plan on flying over the states in which I don't have reciprocity. If I ever do, I'll leave it in the hangar until I get back. If I ever have to divert to one of the liberal states in which I don't have reciprocity with the pistol aboard, well I guess I'll just take the chance.
 
Anthony said:
It is very complex when travelling over, and in multiple states, as every state law is different, and different states will have reciprocity with your state if you do get a CCW permit (license to conceal carry a firearm). The best thing to do if unsure is to leave it at home. I check which states I will be landing in, but also which ones I will be flying over prior to making that decision, and factor in fuel stops, weather diversions, and potential emergency landings. I will not put myself at risk for landing in a state in which my permit does not cover me. It just isn't worth it.
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Whether it's worth it to me is counterbalanced by whether it's worth not having my gun if I need it.

My emergency kit is pretty much what yours is. Now that we don't have a plane I carry it around in my car. I include a spare pair of glasses.
 
Dang 40+ years of flying and nevah had an emergency bag. Well, one exception was emergency med kit and other emergency gear aboard the jet at the airline. But GA flying, nevah.

Tim, if your pee container is in the back, how do you get to it if ya gotta pee, or do you just turn around and arc it back there hoping it all goes in? :confused:
 
Actually the pee container was the last item in my bag after a painful bladder re-shaping occurred when the two airports I had intended upon landing for fuel went IFR.
 
Timbeck2 said:
Actually the pee container was the last item in my bag after a painful bladder re-shaping occurred when the two airports I had intended upon landing for fuel went IFR.
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Good solution, but you need to have it closer to ya man!
 
mscard88 said:
Dang 40+ years of flying and nevah had an emergency bag. Well, one exception was emergency med kit and other emergency gear aboard the jet at the airline. But GA flying, nevah.
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I have been a home owner for 30 years, and have never had a house fire, nor significant damage, but I still carry homeowner's insurance.
 
Anthony said:
I have been a home owner for 30 years, and have never had a house fire, nor significant damage, but I still carry homeowner's insurance.
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And that relates how, oh nevah mind...
 
Rushie said:
Whether it's worth it to me is counterbalanced by whether it's worth not having my gun if I need it.
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It certainly is a personal choice, and we all weigh our own personal risks, and make that call. All things considered, I want to stay out of the judicial system money wheel, as I'm sure you do as well. The Byzantine, labyrinth of laws addressing firearms is ridiculous, and the travel that small planes allow us can literally land us in unfriendly territory. I applaud your perspective, and attitude!
 
Anthony said:
It certainly is a personal choice, and we all weigh our own personal risks, and make that call. All things considered, I want to stay out of the judicial system money wheel, as I'm sure you do as well. The Byzantine, labyrinth of laws addressing firearms is ridiculous, and the travel that small planes allow us can literally land us in unfriendly territory. I applaud your perspective, and attitude!
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I certainly hear that. I dread having to deal with the legal fallout from a firearm violation. But what I absolutely cannot handle would be if I saw innocent people killed by a mass shooter and because I didn't have my gun, I couldn't (at least attempt) to save them. I don't think I could forgive myself.

When I don't carry my gun because it's illegal to do so, that is what really bothers me.
 
Well it was nice having you back for a while mscard... See you on the other side. Lol.

I never carry on my person when flying. That would defeat the purpose of the M2's I had mounted in the wings.

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Timbeck2 said:
Not your normal flight bag of which mine contains all me stuff I need for flying plus extra batteries, cables for charging Ipad, phone etc, extra headset, my pistol, etc. I'm talking about the bag you keep in the back for unplanned landings. I keep a small set of tools, Leatherman, duct tape, some hardware, a couple bottles of oil and water, funnel, water, pee container, fire starter and oxygen.

What do you guys keep in there?
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That's a very dangerous mixture.
 
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