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Brian Wastvedt

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Hello pilots..

I have a friend that is exited about flying but he doesnt seem to think he needs lessons..
He has purchased a Kolb Firestar .. Rotax 45hp

He refuses to take lessons.. He feels he is practical enough to stay alive..

Please leave me some comments on how good of an idea this is?

He believes because you land slow it is like a mountain bike accident!
 
You have to know what you're doing to land slow, no? Uh, bad idea. Gravity doesn't care how you got up there.

PS: is this a joke, did I just bite the troll bait? :)
 
Brian Wastvedt said:
Hello pilots..

I have a friend that is exited about flying but he doesnt seem to think he needs lessons..
He has purchased a Kolb Firestar .. Rotax 45hp

He refuses to take lessons.. He feels he is practical enough to stay alive..

Please leave me some comments on how good of an idea this is?

He believes because you land slow it is like a mountain bike accident!
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Ask you friend at what speed he can stall and if he tries to give a number then he is a future fatality waiting to happen.
 
This sounds like a Ron White thing just waiting to happen...

Plus

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A couple of things could happen, one is he will land too fast thinking he is "slow enough" and he will ball up his airplane....maybe he dies, maybe not. Second is he will get slow enough........about 20 feet off the ground and ball up his airplane........maybe he dies, maybe not. Well, there are a couple of other things I guess, he could get too slow turning and spin it in....he will surely die, or he could yank it too hard at altitude and accelerated stall it......he will surely die. I give him about a 20% chance of not dying, I say go for it!
 
Buy him a life insurance policy... and flight instruction.
 
This guy could be an example of at least 3, maybe 4, or the 5 hazardous attitudes.
 
Ask him where he would like to be buried or just cremated. And tell him to get a good funeral director lined up.
 
BigBadLou said:
If his wife is hot, just play the waiting game, you might end up with her soon enough after natural selection takes its place.
(What? Too soon and too callous? Somebody had to say it!)
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Firefighters at the crash site get dibs. It's the rules.
 
Its not the same, but I knew quite a few guys in rural Alaska when I was growing up, that got to their first solo and and never took another lesson, or any check rides. Some of them flew a lot and for many years. In many cases a CFI was never involved at all. Many of them then put their cubs on floats and "taught themselves" seaplane operations.
 
Brian Wastvedt said:
Hello pilots..

I have a friend that is exited about flying but he doesnt seem to think he needs lessons..
He has purchased a Kolb Firestar .. Rotax 45hp

He refuses to take lessons.. He feels he is practical enough to stay alive..

Please leave me some comments on how good of an idea this is?

He believes because you land slow it is like a mountain bike accident!
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Is he planning to fly no higher than mountain bike altitude above the ground?

Tell him to look up Otto Lilienthal.
 
Hopefully he hasn't bred yet.

Take some pictures of him and interview him. It'll help you write up the story for the upcoming Darwin award.
 
GRG55 said:
Ya, that was my thought too. Darwin Award candidate...
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Darwin didn't get him. Hogg passed away:

Cline Hogg continued to reside in Fontana until 2002 with his wife, Zee. He passed away in Geneva, Ohio, on November 19th, 2006.
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Source: it is in the link in Post # 10 of this thread.
 
Get him to take out a life insurance policy with you as beneficiary. You pay the premiums. If you are a little short of buckos for that, let me know. I'll invest in that.
 
Skip Miller said:
Darwin didn't get him. Hogg passed away:

Source: it is in the link in Post # 10 of this thread.
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Not sure how you tied my post to #10 :confused:
Mine was related to the OP's friend.
 
Brian Wastvedt said:
Hello pilots..

I have a friend that is exited about flying but he doesnt seem to think he needs lessons..
He has purchased a Kolb Firestar .. Rotax 45hp

He refuses to take lessons.. He feels he is practical enough to stay alive..

Please leave me some comments on how good of an idea this is?

He believes because you land slow it is like a mountain bike accident!
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Condolences in advance.
 
edo2000 said:
Its not the same, but I knew quite a few guys in rural Alaska when I was growing up, that got to their first solo and and never took another lesson, or any check rides. Some of them flew a lot and for many years. In many cases a CFI was never involved at all. Many of them then put their cubs on floats and "taught themselves" seaplane operations.
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me thinking he is an younger version of a bird from Az?
on a very serious note - ignore the insurance advise, if he is your friend buy in a AOA and ask him to stick to the blue donut... no evil has ever come out of THAT
 
Perhaps run a few scenarios by him and see how he fairs. Ask him about making a turn into the wind as opposed to with no wind, or with a tail wind. What do you do in a stall? What if the engine quits? Does he know about flaring for the landing? Sure, if the weather is perfect, and wind is no factor, and the conditions stay perfect from the time he lifts off until he lands, I suppose he MIGHT be OK. Gee, yeah, what could possibly go wrong? (Sarcasm there in case anybody was wondering). Seems to me that's what a lot of the training is about, in that it teaches what to do when things don't go as expected. And with a very light aircraft cruising around hundreds of feet above the ground, I'm thinking something might just go wrong...or at least...something might happen that one was not expecting. Much better to have something unexpected pop up, and have the reaction of: "Oh that! I know, I just do this", and it's an automatic correction that passes with hardly any thought...as opposed to:"Oh Hell! What the...!!!", and then pure panic sets in, and before you know it, you're options are all gone. Seems to me too that learning to do something the right way is way more fun than just jumping in unprepared...but then, that's just me. Good luck with your friend. Hope he chooses wisely!
 
I've seen several do it with ultralights. Not that it makes okay, I'm just sayin not everyone kills themself.
 
Glenn D said:
Buy him a life insurance policy... and flight instruction.
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If you could find life insurance that would cover this, you probably couldn't afford it.
 
If he's really a friend, pay and schedule his first flight with an instructor. Most people have no idea how hard it is to fly until they try it. If he's not a friend, i call dibs on his boat. :)
 
Harold Rutila said:
Unable. Dividing by zero. Answer to posed question does not exist.
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Might ask his wife & get a useful response versus us.

Curious if the OP thinks his friend is 'stupid' or intelligent. Book smart but no common sense? A dimwit or simply impulsive or a know-it-all? We can apply all the labels, but none of us know this soon-to-be dearly departed ACE pilot.
 
SkyDog58 said:
Gotta love some of the types that 103 attracts.
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A Firestar is not a 103 legal ultralight. Too heavy, too fast. That said, there are a lot of them flying around with no numbers.
 
Most of what we learn as pilots is how to avoid dying in any number of obvious and not so obvious ways.

Without the training, you'll never know how close you are to the cliff edge. And if you go over the edge, you're not coming back. No second chances, unfortunately.

Personally, I'd rather learn from someone else's mistakes, than be the mistake someone learns from.
 
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