Safety/survival gear every pilot should have!

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I recently did a write up over on the RV forum on survival gear for flying. It might seem a bit RV specific, but this is good stuff to have to any pilot that flies away from civilization.

I started flying GA aircraft in 1996 in Oklahoma. I joined the Air Force and did some flying in Texas and New Jersey. These days, I live in Alaska and fly here. I also fly for the Air Force. I have been to several different survival courses. I have been to a water survival course in Florida, a combat / outdoor survival course in Washington state, and an arctic survival course near Fairbanks, Alaska. I'm by no means an expert but I did learn a lot. I found them a lot more useful for flying GA, than for flying a big Air Force jet where I likely wouldn't survive any kind of crash. HA! The course I learned the most from, was probably the arctic survival course in Fairbanks. It was a truly miserable experience. It was -40 degrees when I was out there and we stayed out there for three days, building shelters and fires, catching rabbits and other not fun stuff. None of these courses were fun at all. But I suppose that being stranded out in the wilderness wouldn't be either. I'm confident that I could survive out in the woods for a few days, even though it would totally suck.

Some of the things I took away from those courses that are good for GA flying, are some of the gear you need to survive. When I was flying in Oklahoma and New Jersey, this stuff wasn't too big of a deal. If you go down in one of those places and survive, you aren't far from help. Here in Alaska and other areas in the western US, that's not the case. When I fly, I bring quite a bit of survival gear with me. Especially in the winter. Some of them are common sense things. Others, are things most people don't think about. If you find yourself on the ground out in the middle of nowhere unexpectedly, your first priority is to be warm and dry. If you're wet, you need to get dry as fast as possible. If you start getting hypothermic, you're going to be in serious trouble. You'll start making bad decisions that will only worsen your situation. Get dry! You need shelter and water as well. You can live for weeks without food. You need to be warm, dry and hydrated. With these few items, you can do all of that.

In the back of the plane in a duffel bag, I carry a two man tent, wool blankets, Mountain House food, camping stove with a small propane canister, towel, water filter, water bottle, plastic tarp, etc. Mostly, it's the same stuff that I take with me when I go hiking plus a few extra items for passengers if I have them. I'd be pretty comfortable if I went down and had all of that stuff. However, there are a few items that I keep on my person at all times. They are the things that I'd absolutely want to have on me if I had to get out of the plane in a hurry and couldn't get the rest of my gear. For example, if the plane were on fire or it were sinking in a body of water. I'll cover those items.

In my opinion, the most important piece of survival gear that I have, is my combat survival knife. Forget the combat part. Just think of it as a survival knife. If you're looking for one on the internet, most of them will be called combat survival knives or bolt knives. These things are extremely useful. You can chop a tree down with one if you need to. They are excellent for splitting wood. If you have a log, put the knife on the end of it and hit it with another log to split it. These are tough knives and built for the abuse. The knife I have, is a Cold Steel SRK. It is a 6" fixed blade knife. I think I paid about $60 for it. It's a simple yet very tough knife. You can clean an animal with it, make a spear with it, and do anything else a knife is good for. If I had to get dropped off out in the middle of nowhere and could only have one piece of gear, this would be it.
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The next few items are all of equal importance I feel. The first is a magnesium fire starter. If I crashed down somewhere and found myself all wet, my immediate priority would be to get a fire going. I'll start a forest fire if I have to! Forest fires are good for helping somebody find you too! :D If I had ALL of my gear, I'd simply use my camp stove to get a fire going. It's a piece of cake. But it's a little bulky to carry all of that stuff on my person. So, I have a magnesium fire starter. It's super simple to use. Basically, you scrape the steel blade down the magnesium shaft. It makes a lot of hot sparks that you can use to light some kindling on fire with. Birch bark, witches beard, dry leaves, etc. Matches and a lighter will get a fire going too, but they are not as reliable. Using this thing, isn't much more difficult than using a lighter anyways. It will work when it's soaking wet. I also carry a film canister with cotton balls soaked in Vaseline inside. They are very easy to light on fire and make a good kindling starter. The starter that I have, is this one sold at REI. You can find them just about anywhere. Even Wal-Mart sells one.
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Another very handy item is a folding saw. Gerber makes one that most people are familiar with. It's a bit over priced in my opinion. I use a Corona 10" folding saw. They cost about $10 and can be found in the gardening section at Lowe's. I like the curved blade on it. It's easy to use and is very light weight. Obviously, it's for sawing up logs. You can eventually hack them up with your survival knife, but this works a lot better. I would find a 3 to 4" dead tree out in the woods. Something that's still standing, but obviously dead. Birch, Pine or Aspen. These trees are common in the areas where you might find yourself far from help. You don't want one that's laying down as it is absorbing more water. Find one that's still standing, but dead. You can stab your knife into it and see if it's wet under the bark or if it's splintering up when you pry a chunk out. If it's dry, saw it down and saw it into logs. Then, use your survival knife to split it. Just hit the knife with another log. This saw is excellent and cuts logs very quickly.
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The next item I keep on my person, is a good pocket knife. Personally, I carry a CRKT (Columbia River) M-16-13T. I think it was about $60 as well. It's all metal and has a 3.5" blade that is partially serrated. I use this knife for all sorts of things. Any good quality pocket knife will do. I'd get a 3 to 4" blade. A pocket knife like this has a much sharper angle on the blade than your combat knife has. If you've sawed up and split some logs, you can use this to cut little shavings off of the log if you don't have any other kindling. If it's wet outside where you are, your kindling might all be soaking wet. Your best bet might be to cut some shavings off of the dried wood you chopped up. It's also a lot easier to handle when cutting smaller things.
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Another extremely useful item, is some 550 cord. You might hear it called parachute cord or paracord as well. You can find all different types. It can be ordered on Amazon, from REI or found at an Army surplus store. You can use it to tie up tarps for a shelter, to collect water, use it to tie logs together for a shelter, etc. You can make snares out of it to catch a rabbit or something too. I carry 100 feet on my person and another 300 feet in my bag in the back. There are all sorts of uses for this stuff and there's a ton of videos on YouTube about making shelters and what not.
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Another item I recently started flying with on my person, is a personal locator beacon (PLB). In a remote area, you might not be able to count on anybody hearing your ELT. Some ELTs send signals to search and rescue through satellites these days but if your plane is underwater, on fire, or the antenna is trashed, it's going to be useless to you. Even if it is working, that doesn't mean that anybody will hear it. I hear ELTs all the time here in Alaska. Never on the ground. Only when I'm actually in the air. I carry an ACR Electronics SARLink 406 GPS and keep it on me. If I'm pinned in the airplane, I could activate it and toss it on the dash. It's very easy to use. Open the antenna and press the red button. This doesn't come with a lot of frills like the SPOT does, but it's a lot better product in my opinion. I've read too many reviews about SPOT being unreliable or they break. This isn't a problem you want to have if you're stranded or injured somewhere. You want something that's going to work and can take some abuse. It's water proof too. You can still pay a subscription and send the "I'm Okay" messages, but the main purpose of this thing is to save your bacon if you need it. It won't do the flight tracking like SPOT will. SPOT is okay for that stuff. I wouldn't trust my life to one though. This thing is $500. They have cheaper versions as well that are a little less than $300. But it sends your GPS coordinates to a satellite and then to the corresponding rescue center. You register it with NOAA. I guess you have to do the same thing with SPOT. SPOT would definitely be better than nothing at all, but in my opinion, the ACR is a much better product. A friend of mine was on an elk hunting trip on Raspberry Island a few months ago. Raspberry Island is a remote Island in the Kodiak Island Archipelago. A bush plane dropped him off and wasn't coming back to get him for a week. Long story short, the weather turned bad and he got wet. He couldn't get a fire going and could not warm up. After a full day of that and feeling like he wanted to strip all of his clothes off, he had the good sense to push that button. Less than two hours after he pushed the button, the Coast Guard was there loading him onto their rescue helicopter. It definitely saved his life. By the time they got him back to Kodiak, he had warmed up some but his core temperature was still 91 degrees. It was still in the low 50's outside at that time too! The worst temperatures are the mid 30s to 50s. I'd rather be stranded in 20 degree weather than 50 degree weather any day. The beacon saved his life. $500 isn't a lot to pay for your life, in my opinion.
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I forgot to mention a head lamp! Get yourself a good head lamp. A regular flash light is good and I have one of those as well. My Flashlight is a Surefire LED light that puts out 200 lumens. It's an excellent light. But if you're working on something like building a shelter or a fire in the dark, it's hard to do while holding a flash light. Put the light on your head and you'll have both hands. I like the Energizer brand LED head lamps. They put out good light for working on something in front of you and the area around you. You can pick up a good one at Wally World for about $15 to $20. Mine takes AAA batteries and lasts like 50 hours or something. It packs up nice and small too.
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These are all good items to have. It's kind of annoying to have all of that on your person. If I were flying in Oklahoma, I'd fly in shorts and a T-shirt. You don't need this stuff out there. Here in Alaska and many areas out west, these things are a good idea. Especially in the winter. Here in Alaska, the snow in some of the remote areas is so deep, it would take you all day to move a half mile. You'd be dead in less than 24 hours up here. Unless there is some sort of immediate danger where you are at, your best bet is almost always to stay put! Don't move. If you have the resources you need to survive, stay there. When I fly in remote places, I always wear some sort of water proof foot wear. I wear my hiking boots pretty much year round up here. I would never ever consider wearing tennis shoes any time of year here. Keeping your feet dry is very important. I also fly while wearing my coat and keep my gloves and sock hat nearby.

Even if you don't know how to use all of these things or all of the things you can do with your survival knife or whatever, it's still good to have them. If you found yourself stranded somewhere, I guarantee you, you'd figure it out! A couple other things that wouldn't be a bad idea, are a roll up canteen. Basically, it's a heavy duty plastic bag that you can roll closed and it's water tight. Also, iodine tablets for sterilizing the water you collect. Whether it's melted snow or collected from a stream, you'll want it to be clean! Drinking water that you collected in the wild can make you deathly ill.

Hopefully, you'll never be in one of these situations. Perhaps I've lived in Alaska too long and seen and heard too many horror stories. Excellent pilots survive crashes here and then die from exposure because they weren't prepared and didn't know what to do to survive. Even in the summer. Your airplane is providing you with a tiny little environment that is making it comfortable for you to survive as you pass through a much bigger and much more hostile environment. It's a great big world though when you find yourself outside the protection of your cockpit. You might have a PLB, but that's no guarantee if nobody can come get you! Perhaps you went down due to weather! If you can't fly your RV in it, chances are, nobody else can either. These things don't cost a lot of money other than the PLB. They're lightweight and can be carried on your person. The inconvenience and cost are minor compared to the payoff if you ever need them. All of the gear I take with me, even though some of it is a little bit overkill, is about 35 pounds all together. That's not a problem for just about any airplane. If you fly in remote areas, spend a couple hundred bucks one some of these things. It might save your life.
 
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Good info!

Looking forward to next NatGeo season and the debut of Matt vs. Wild :D
 
I'm going to post an opposing argument.

When flying, we are responsible for ourselves. The type of flying that would require such survival gear demands we save our self, do not rely on being found.

I carry several knives. I actually think one cannot carry enough knives. The same goes for fire starters and flash lights. Saftey/survival gear should be geared towards increasing your odds of survivability. That is obvious.

What is less obvious and not oft mentioned in these kinds of threads is the attitude so necessary in survival; stop thinking of rescue. Safe your self. EPIRB, SPOT, etc is nice but don't count on it.

It can be argued SPOT is necessary equipment. I think such arguments have their genesis in SAR crews. Like, duh, those crews would of course argue for rescue for it is what they are all about. Do NOT read that as discounting the role of SAR. But SAR will not ensure your survivability.
 
RE: flying in the western states.

Los Angeles in a major metropolis. Yet on some headings you can fly as few as 10-15 nm and, in the event of a forced landing, it may take you two days to walk out/be found.

Thousands of square miles lack radar coverage below 11,000. In large areas it is even doubtful anyone would hear you on any of the popular CTAF freqs. All you would have is 121.5...if anyone is listening. Let me tell you, one canyon is like a thousand other canyons.
 
The most important item for a pilot to carry:

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Ha ha! I didn't mention it because I don't think it's a really necessary thing to have, but I do fly with a gun. The .50 cal is not my ideal choice though. I'm guessing you are thinking bear protection since that gun isn't good for much else! HA! I fly with a Mossberg 500 Breacher 12ga shotgun. You can pick one up at Wally World for about $350 brand new. It has a pistol grip and an 18.5" barrel. It's plenty compact enough to get into a duffel bag and the back of your airplane. While it's not the easiest long gun to point and shoot, it's certainly easier to hit your target with this gun, than pretty much any hand gun. Especially if it's 1,000 pounds and coming at you at 30 mph! I carry a box of 5 slugs with me. I have another 25 round box of bird shot. I have three Mossberg 12ga shotguns. They're tough and very reliable. I dropped my 935 in a lake one time while out duck hunting. Took me 20 minutes to find it. I rinsed all of the mud out with lake water and fired about 50 rounds through it that day (I'm not a good duck hunter, HA!).

Honestly, I don't worry about bears at all. Any bear I've ever seen, has run as soon as it saw me. When ever I go hiking in the Alaska back country, I don't worry about bears and I don't carry a gun. I actually worry about moose a lot more than I do about bears. I carry bear spray when I go hiking. As much as I love guns and love shooting, I'm a realist. The bear spray is a much better option for bear defense, but not a very good idea to have it in a closed up cockpit. You'd be in serious trouble if it went off inside the airplane. I'd say that the odds of you crashing down somewhere and surviving only to be eaten by a bear, are pretty astronomical. I carry the 12ga so that I can get some dinner!!! Bird shot will work on pretty much anything I am willing to shoot and eat. I figure that since I have the gun, might as well bring a few slugs along too. I would think that any kind of handgun out in the woods, would be almost completely useless to you. In a survival situation, I'm gonna shoot me something smaller. Like a bird or a rabbit. I sure wouldn't take on a moose unless I were really hungry! You can live for weeks without food. But if you're out for a few days, you're going to get very hungry. Trying to trap small game really sucks. I've done it before. If I'm trying to survive, I'll shoot anything. I'll shoot a bald eagle dead and eat him up. Worry about the fines later. HA! In my opinion, you're wasting your time if you're carrying a handgun in your airplane for anything other than self defense or you concealed carry (I do that too). The shotgun is the way to go unless you think you can shoot a squirrel in the face from 40 yards away and have anything left of him to eat. The 12ga is about the most useful gun ever. Shoot bird shot through it for small game. If you're still concerned about bears or other dangerous animals, bring some slugs along. Even then, if I had to shoot a charging bear, I'd rather be shooting at him with 12ga slugs than ANY handgun made.

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I'm going to post an opposing argument.

When flying, we are responsible for ourselves. The type of flying that would require such survival gear demands we save our self, do not rely on being found.

Sorry if I came across that way. I posted this stuff because when I go fly, I go prepared to spend a few nights out in the wilderness. The PLB is certainly a nice thing to have. The more resources you have available to you, whether it be a PLB or a knife, the better. Even if you get your PLB signal out to rescue right away, you might not get picked up for days. It happens in Alaska all the time. I agree on the knives. Definitely your most important piece of gear. Also, you brought up another good thing that I forgot to mention. A light! A regular flashlight is okay, but a head lamp is even better. A LED head lamp is best and they are cheap! I have an Energizer one that takes AAA batteries and lasts like 50 hours. I recommend a head lamp because if you need light, it's probably because you're working on something. Building a shelter, building a fire, whatever. You'll want both hands to do that. The Energizer ones put out good light and seem pretty tough. Small and pretty light weight too. I'll add the head lamp to the original thread!
 
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Ha ha! I didn't mention it because I don't think it's a really necessary thing to have, but I do fly with a gun. The .50 cal is not my ideal choice though. I'm guessing you are thinking bear protection since that gun isn't good for much else! HA! I fly with a Mossberg 500 Breacher 12ga shotgun. You can pick one up at Wally World for about $350 brand new. It has a pistol grip and an 18.5" barrel. It's plenty compact enough to get into a duffel bag and the back of your airplane. While it's not the easiest long gun to point and shoot, it's certainly easier to hit your target with this gun, than pretty much any hand gun. Especially if it's 1,000 pounds and coming at you at 30 mph! I carry a box of 5 slugs with me. I have another 25 round box of bird shot. Honestly, I don't worry about bears at all. When ever I go hiking in the Alaska back country, I don't worry about bears and I don't carry a gun. I actually worry about moose a lot more than I do about bears. I carry bear spray when I go hiking. As much as I love guns and love shooting, I'm a realist. The bear spray is a much better option. I'd say that the odds of you crashing down somewhere and surviving only to be eaten by a bear, are pretty astronomical. I carry the 12ga so that I can get some dinner!!! Bird shot will work on pretty much anything I am willing to shoot and eat. I figure that since I have the gun, might as well bring a few slugs along too. I would think that any kind of handgun out in the woods, would be almost completely useless to you. In a survival situation, I'm gonna shoot me something smaller. Like a bird or a rabbit. I sure wouldn't take on a moose unless I were really hungry! You can live for weeks without food. But if you're out for a few days, you're going to get very hungry. Trying to trap small game really sucks. I've done it before. If I'm trying to survive, I'll shoot anything. I'll shoot a bald eagle right in the face and eat him up. Worry about the fines later. HA!

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Sorry if I came across that way. I posted this stuff because when I go fly, I go prepared to spend a few nights out in the wilderness. The PLB is certainly a nice thing to have. The more resources you have available to you, whether it be a PLB or a knife, the better. Even if you get your PLB signal out to rescue right away, you might not get picked up for days. It happens in Alaska all the time. I agree on the knives. Definitely your most important piece of gear. Also, you brought up another good thing that I forgot to mention. A light! A regular flashlight is okay, but a head lamp is even better. A LED head lamp is best and they are cheap! I have an Energizer one that takes AAA batteries and lasts like 50 hours. I recommend a head lamp because if you need light, it's probably because you're working on something. Building a shelter, building a fire, whatever. You'll want both hands to do that. The Energizer ones put out good light and seem pretty tough. Small and pretty light weight too. I'll add the head lamp to the original thread!

Remember we in the lower 48 must transit Canada, and that short barreled pistol gun will not pass Canada import rules.

I carry a Remington riffled slug gun
 

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I carry several knives. I actually think one cannot carry enough knives. The same goes for fire starters and flash lights. Saftey/survival gear should be geared towards increasing your odds of survivability.

Instead of the wool blankets, I carry a sleeping bag rated to -20F, along with a few space blankets, and some water as well.

As far as knives go, a good fixed blade capable of cutting you out of plexi, and aluminum, and a good folder are a must. I'm not a big Cold Steel, or CRKT fan, but they are decent knives for the money if you don't want to spend too much. There are much better fixed balde choices from Bark River, Fallkniven, ESEE, and folders from Zero Tolerance, Benchmade, and Spyderco.
 
The PLB is the biggest one of those that I care about keeping with me. We have two, one in the Aztec and one in the 310. If I'm flying another plane over areas where I don't expect to have radio contact, I bring one of the PLBs with me.

The other items I agree are good. I keep a large and elaborate Swiss Army Knife with me.
 
All you really need is a deck of cards. Start playing solitare---within 2 minutes someone will look over your shoulder and say---"put the red ten on the black jack":rofl:
 
Really, in a nutshell all you really need is : 1.) A PLB, 2.) First Aid gear to stop bleeding and 3.) clothing appropriate to spend one night out in anticipated conditions.

All the rest is just fluff, by all means take it if you have room/useful load but in the final analysis it's just fluff as long as the PLB is working.
 
Dont forget condoms.

They serve two purposes.

You can use them to carry water in a survival situations.

When you can use them for their intended purpose, they indicate that you are no longer in a survival situation.
 
Really, in a nutshell all you really need is : 1.) A PLB, 2.) First Aid gear to stop bleeding and 3.) clothing appropriate to spend one night out in anticipated conditions.

All the rest is just fluff, by all means take it if you have room/useful load but in the final analysis it's just fluff as long as the PLB is working.

No offense but, that's pretty bad advice. What if your clothing gets wet? What if you activate your PLB as it's getting dark or bad weather is setting in? Rescue might know where you're at, but can't come get you for a day or two. I guess your PLB could help them find your body. I think it would suck to be dead because I didn't spend $6 on a 2oz magnesium fire starter or $30 on a one pound bolt knife. What if your PLB is lost or smashed? Relying on just a PLB and what you're wearing, is kind of foolish, IMO.
 
No offense but, that's pretty bad advice. What if your clothing gets wet? What if you activate your PLB as it's getting dark or bad weather is setting in? Rescue might know where you're at, but can't come get you for a day or two. I guess your PLB could help them find your body. I think it would suck to be dead because I didn't spend $6 on a 2oz magnesium fire starter or $30 on a one pound bolt knife. What if your PLB is lost or smashed? Relying on just a PLB and what you're wearing, is kind of foolish, IMO.


If you are operating out of W. Palm Beach, or Boca, like Mr Van Delay, that is one thing. Switch to AK or the Rocky mountains, or SW desert, and that's a different story. :)

Some don't realize the extreme climates that many of us have flown or fly. Mountains in the east are not mountains of the west. They are just as hard, but you don't have to deal with high DA performance issues at 4,000 ft, like you do at 14,000 ft, nor the temps and conditions these altitudes, and climates provide. I think it is something you must experience.
 
clothing appropriate to spend one night out in anticipated conditions.

That will get you dead pretty quick if you're away from civilization. Where I'm at right now, anticipation means planning for a 3-5 day blizzard that can come out of nowhere with no hope of rescue until days afterward at which time you could be in 5 feet of snow.

Grab your survival gear right this instant as is and don't touch it again. When the weather gets annoyingly bad in the next week or two, take only yourself and the gear and go camping somewhere inconvenient for 3-4 days. Repeat the process this summer. That will tell you what you really need, what you don't need, what works and what doesn't. The most important thing you can have is real world skills. All the equipment in the world is bunk if you don't have experience using it in real world conditions.

Always plan on self rescue. The rescue crew is nothing more than an emotional feel good about yourself thing until the moment they arrive. You are totally unable to depend on them for anything until they are standing next to you. Until then, you're on your own...even if they never come.
 
I'd say that the odds of you crashing down somewhere and surviving only to be eaten by a bear, are pretty astronomical.

Astronomical, maybe. Rumor has it that the folks that recovered Steve Fossett's remains thought that that might have happened to him.
 
The PLB is the biggest one of those that I care about keeping with me. We have two, one in the Aztec and one in the 310. If I'm flying another plane over areas where I don't expect to have radio contact, I bring one of the PLBs with me.

The other items I agree are good. I keep a large and elaborate Swiss Army Knife with me.
I am not making light of being prepared and having survival equipment to meet any emergency. I'm all about survival. I just want to say that I really rely on my Swiss Army knife. Especially when I am traveling. The two things that are indispensable are the cork screw and the scissors. When I am on the road, they are lifesavers. We like to wind down in the evenings with a bottle of Merlot or Cab. Without a cork screw, you're screwed. The scissors, well you can use scissors for a lot of things. Again, I'm not making fun, but surviving every day is as important as surviving in the wilds, and a Swiss Army knife would be the first tool on my list for either.
 
Depending on the nature of the service being rendered, and by whom..
Dont forget condoms.

They serve two purposes.

You can use them to carry water in a survival situations.

When you can use them for their intended purpose, they indicate that you are no longer in a survival situation.
 
Good information. While certainly east coasters don't face as much uninhabited area as one may in the West or Alaska, folks should not discount some of the adverse terrain we have here.

New England and NY State have some nasty weather and big hills, there are lots of wilds in Maine and New Hampshire.

There is a lot of few and far between in the Poconos, Adirondacks and Alleghenies, West Virginia has some downright nasty remote terrain as does North Carolina.

I like the idea of cotton balls soaked in Vaseline I don't use those I carry dryer lint in ziploc bags but may try the cotton balls.
 
> I'll shoot a bald eagle dead and eat him up.

Tastes just like baby California Condor, when roasted over rain-forest wood.
 
Good information. While certainly east coasters don't face as much uninhabited area as one may in the West or Alaska, folks should not discount some of the adverse terrain we have here.

New England and NY State have some nasty weather and big hills, there are lots of wilds in Maine and New Hampshire.

There is a lot of few and far between in the Poconos, Adirondacks and Alleghenies, West Virginia has some downright nasty remote terrain as does North Carolina.

I like the idea of cotton balls soaked in Vaseline I don't use those I carry dryer lint in ziploc bags but may try the cotton balls.

You ain't seen nothin. :D
 
No offense but, that's pretty bad advice. What if your clothing gets wet? What if you activate your PLB as it's getting dark or bad weather is setting in? Rescue might know where you're at, but can't come get you for a day or two. I guess your PLB could help them find your body. I think it would suck to be dead because I didn't spend $6 on a 2oz magnesium fire starter or $30 on a one pound bolt knife. What if your PLB is lost or smashed? Relying on just a PLB and what you're wearing, is kind of foolish, IMO.

If I were ever to find myself in a real wilderness survival situation I would absolutely want the entire contents of the complete Cabela's Catalog with me. However, that's just not quite practical and being a minimalist I wanted to think of what the LEAST amount of equipment could be, which is the three item list I submitted. Which I still stand by despite the slings and arrows thrown at me by all the "Gear-Whores" out there.

Notice I said "as long as the PLB is working". Clothing for anticipated conditions should include protection from moisture. If you anticipate spending the night in the water just South of PASY then that clothing better consist of a very good immersion suit. If you anticipate spending the night on a 14k ridge line South of KEGE then you had better have clothing fit for that as well.

And no offense taken as I am a 1986 graduate of SERE school of which I doubt there are many (if any at all) on this forum.
 
The best survival kit I ever saw contained one very well maintained aircraft.

all the rest of the stuff never got used.
 
If I were ever to find myself in a real wilderness survival situation I would absolutely want the entire contents of the complete Cabela's Catalog with me. However, that's just not quite practical and being a minimalist I wanted to think of what the LEAST amount of equipment could be, which is the three item list I submitted. Which I still stand by despite the slings and arrows thrown at me by all the "Gear-Whores" out there.

Notice I said "as long as the PLB is working". Clothing for anticipated conditions should include protection from moisture. If you anticipate spending the night in the water just South of PASY then that clothing better consist of a very good immersion suit. If you anticipate spending the night on a 14k ridge line South of KEGE then you had better have clothing fit for that as well.

And no offense taken as I am a 1986 graduate of SERE school of which I doubt there are many (if any at all) on this forum.

bet me, Warner Springs class of july 65. Plus the jungle survival school at Subic.
 
I like most of the list. I'd tweak a few things, but then, some of it is personal preference. Also the biggest factor for what goes in your survival kit is location as most people are aware. I carry no water in my survival kit. Where I am at, I'd have to be busted up pretty bad to not be able to come up with water. Maybe I should, but I don't. Now, I do have a camelback water pouch and a filter. If I was in a drier climate, that would be different.

One thing to remember about all of this stuff is that if it is not physically on your person, odds are that you will not have it when you get out, especially if it's a water landing. How about landing and then the plane catching fire due to leaking fuel lines?

How many people got out of the plane on the Hudson with some sort of flotation? I've heard of a Caravan going down in the Caribbean. They knew they were going to hit the water, had time to plan. One was supposed to grab the life raft, another some other gear. None of it made it out of the plane. Fortunately there was help arriving shortly.

I carry a PLB, the McMurdo Fastfind, in a vest that I wear all the time. A mini survival kit is in another pocket. I hardly notice that they are there. I hope to be able to grab my survival gear and gun, but I don't count on it.

As for expecting someone in a day, that can be dicey. We had some guys doing work on a mountain. Pilot said time to go, weather's getting bad. They said we'll stay, come get us tomorrow. They had gear, food, etc. Pilot left, I think it was 3 days later pilot could finally make it in. And this was a helicopter.
 
- One forty-five caliber automatic
- Two boxes of ammunition
- Four days' concentrated emergency rations
- One drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine,
vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills
- One miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible
- One hundred dollars in rubles
- One hundred dollars in gold
- Nine packs of chewing gum
- One issue of prophylactics
- Three lipsticks
- Three pair of nylon stockings.
 
- One forty-five caliber automatic
- Two boxes of ammunition
- Four days' concentrated emergency rations
- One drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine,
vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills
- One miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible
- One hundred dollars in rubles
- One hundred dollars in gold
- Nine packs of chewing gum
- One issue of prophylactics
- Three lipsticks
- Three pair of nylon stockings.
Shoot, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.
 
- One forty-five caliber automatic
- Two boxes of ammunition
- Four days' concentrated emergency rations
- One drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine,
vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills
- One miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible
- One hundred dollars in rubles
- One hundred dollars in gold
- Nine packs of chewing gum
- One issue of prophylactics
- Three lipsticks
- Three pair of nylon stockings.

Shoot, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5qqfsQGYus
 
Lots of SERE grads on this board.

Flying in the east, around populated areas, I agree, mostly minimal stuff, but I do gover over West Virginia a lot, and especially in the winter, carry almost the same kit as flying in the Colorado Rockies. There is some inhospitable terrain in WV with nothing around, except some scary people. As I can't fit Burt Reynolds, with a bow in the baggage compartment, I typically add a 9MM of some flavor.
 
- One forty-five caliber automatic
- Two boxes of ammunition
- Four days' concentrated emergency rations
- One drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine,
vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills
- One miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible
- One hundred dollars in rubles
- One hundred dollars in gold
- Nine packs of chewing gum
- One issue of prophylactics
- Three lipsticks
- Three pair of nylon stockings.


Sir, you have copied my exact list. Please use it in DALLAS well.
 
If I were ever to find myself in a real wilderness survival situation I would absolutely want the entire contents of the complete Cabela's Catalog with me. However, that's just not quite practical and being a minimalist I wanted to think of what the LEAST amount of equipment could be, which is the three item list I submitted. Which I still stand by despite the slings and arrows thrown at me by all the "Gear-Whores" out there.

Notice I said "as long as the PLB is working". Clothing for anticipated conditions should include protection from moisture. If you anticipate spending the night in the water just South of PASY then that clothing better consist of a very good immersion suit. If you anticipate spending the night on a 14k ridge line South of KEGE then you had better have clothing fit for that as well.

And no offense taken as I am a 1986 graduate of SERE school of which I doubt there are many (if any at all) on this forum.

Portsmouth, 1989, as an optional class for CG rescue swimmers. That was pretty sucky, but it's come in handy later in life.
 
If you carry a pistol My opinion is that it need to be something you can actually carry concealed 24/7. Many pistols mentioned are far to heavy & bulky to be carried with ease. My preference is the S&W 442 hammerless light weight 38P+. Small & easy to pack in my pocket, yet enough punch to handle most two legged polecats. For meat hunting you need a long gun, again it should be a small & light as possible with adequate punch to bring down the small game you might encounter. A big heavy gun is fine until you try to actually carry & use it. a .50 pistol or a .458 Weatherby are equally useless in a survival mode Dave
 
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I would add a "good" first aid kit with the following items:

In the Survival Vest:

  • 2 CAT Tourniquets ( or equivalent )
  • 1 Four Inch Israeli Dressing (sometimes called the Emergency Dressing)
  • 1 Hemostatic Sponge ( Celox / Quicklot ) - at least 50G
  • 2 Pairs of Disposable Gloves
  • 1 Triangular Bandage
  • 1 Scalpel Blade
  • 1 Roll of Surgical Tape
  • 5 Four x Four Sterile Gauze Pads
  • 1 Elastic Gauze Roll ( i.e. Kerlix ) 2"
  • 4 Povidone Iodine Pads ( individually packaged )
  • 6 Advil Caplets (Ibuprofen)
In the Aircraft:



  • 2 SAM Splint 36"
  • 1 Asherman Chest Seal
  • 2 Large Size Hemostatic Dressings / Sponges ( Celox )
  • 1 Paramedic Shears
  • 5 Triangular Bandages
  • 4 Kerlix Gauze Rolls ( 4" )
  • 2 Large Trauma Gauze Pads
  • 2 Israeli Emergency Dressings ( 6" )
  • 1 Israeli Emergency Dressing - Abdominal Size
  • 10 Gauze Pads ( 4" x 4" )
  • Normal Saline Solution 250ml Bottle ( sterile)
  • 2 CAT Tourniquets
  • 2 Elastic Bandages 4"
  • Scalpel
  • 8 pairs of Disposable Gloves
  • 2 Nasopharyngeal Airways ( if you are medically trained )
  • 2 Emergency Chest Decompression Catheters ( if medically trained)
  • 2 Survival Blankets
  • 2 Large Burn Dressings
  • 2 5ml Syringes
  • 1 10ml Syringe
  • 5 Hypodermic Needles
If you or your passengers are seriously injured, the ability to control bleeding and prevent shock will make all the difference.


By the way, 95% of the first aid kits sold in department stores are pure crap...



One more thing...


I learned an important concept during survival training: "Dress for Egress" !


All the fancy survival gear is not going to help if it sinks to the bottom of the ocean with the airplane ( or burns down after a forced landing ).


Carry the most important items ( PLB / FAK / Knife / Magnesium Bar / Strobe /Survival Sleeping Bag ) in a survival vest or in your pockets.
 
The most important item for a pilot to carry:

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I prefer my Amex card, $10 in quarters, and a cell phone with my lawyer on speed dial.

Oh wait - those are my preferred weapons, not survival gear.
 
I attended an FAA WINGS seminar on survival led by a woman who is from Montana and works for the state and teaches outdoor survival skills courses in the winter. She was VERY good and obviously had a lot of experience building fires, shelter, etc.

The first thing she did was ask all of us pilots (mostly middle aged men, about 20 - 40 people total):

"OK how many of you carry ON YOUR PERSON a survival vest or any survival gear of any kind?"

I would say maybe one or two people raised their hands.

She could not stress enough how "a bag in the back of the plane" will be useless if the plane is on fire, you have to run out, etc. and all you have left is what is on your person. She showed us an ugly, bulky fishing vest with tons of pockets that she wears with nearly 30 little survival things in it.

I told my instructor this and he literally laughed it off saying all I need is my cell phone or to knock on someone's door asking to use their phone.

Kimberly
 
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