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Out of boardom doing a search on Trade-a-plan and found this sad plane.
1968 PIPER ARROW, 2500 TTA&E s/new, one owner, has been sitting in CA. $15,000 firm
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http://www.trade-a-plane.com/clsfdspecs/816708

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Any one look at the tie downs in years?

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Nice modern radios :smilewinkgrin: At least they throw a rag over the control knobs:confused:

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Cover the front seat but who cares about the back no one ever sits there. Were is the "extra" part from?
 
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Got a bunch like that at Wings. Better off tossing them in the hammermill; they ain't worth saving.
 
This poorly kept bird is yet another sad case where the cost of restoring the airplane to airworthy condition exceeds the cost of an already airworthy similar bird.
 
Dan it is also another sad case of something I saw a lot in the boating world...nostalgic, "I am going to fly her someday", stubborn thinking on the part of the owner.

How many planes rot because the owners refuse to sell them, or hell, even give them away if they are just sitting!
 
There was a low-time Cessna 320 at ADS, in the old public tie-down area. It was near-new when it was tied down, an airplane-looking pile of scrap when it was towed away.
 
They took a C150 from Wings and dropped it down into the SCUBA diving quarry at Dutch Springs in Allentown PA. The C150, along with a helo, train, troller, fire engine, bus, and a bunch of other stuff help newer divers train for certifications. Maybe we can get a few more "donated" to be dunked.
 
Sad. It's about $60k away from being a nice $45k plane. Unless there's corrosion, then it's even worse.
 
This is the future of GA. Aircraft prices are in a free fall, while the price of anything associated with aircraft, mx, engines, paint etc... gets more and more all the time. Nobody has the money to fly them, can't get their money back out to sell them, and the aircraft just sit. At least the average age of the fleet will start coming down as they all get thrown in the trash.
 
tdager said:
Dan it is also another sad case of something I saw a lot in the boating world...nostalgic, "I am going to fly her someday", stubborn thinking on the part of the owner.

How many planes rot because the owners refuse to sell them, or hell, even give them away if they are just sitting!
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So true!!!

We have a few of those on the ramp at FWQ. The owner passes away, the family thinks "We'll get lots of money for that! It's an airplane!"

And after the 10th inquiry ends with laughter and a hang up, they forget about the money and the airplane.
 
Its' never too late.

The Reverend (not ours) bought the old 140 that had been sitting in the weeds so long the wings were full of vegetation put in by teh birds.

He had it stripped, annualled and painted, OH's engine with Mellenium cylinders, Tanis heaters and some new avionics.

It's a jewel now. ...and I think he put about as much in it as it was worth.
 
You could scrap them but probably won't get much. I'll tell ya what I think would be the absolute best thing to do with them. I came up with this idea while thinking of ways to promote GA.

Take the old ramp rot queens. Drain out all fuel and oil and flush out the fuel system out with water with some detergent. Same with the engine or in the alternative remove the fuel system and engine, remove or make inop the electrical system ( obviously take out the battery and mags) seal the gas caps and cowl so it can't open, remove anything that would work ie transponder or radio if it were worth something and cover up the holes if not leave it in. Weld the prop in place or remove it.

Then truck it off to a local elementary school or town park and chain it down or anchor it in cement and let the kids have the best damn playgound equipment anywhere. Let em pretend to fly off carriers in a cherokee, to them it will be an F-14 or pretend to be a 747 captain or fly anywhere their imagination can take them.

Kids get to stoke thier imagination

Owner can take a tax deduction for the donation

Field gets rid of non revenue generating ramp queens

GA gets the seed planted early.

Win Win all around.

mmmmm I'm thinking this really may be a good idea. Wonder if AOPA might be interested.
 
AdamZ said:
You could scrap them but probably won't get much. I'll tell ya what I think would be the absolute best thing to do with them. I came up with this idea while thinking of ways to promote GA.

Take the old ramp rot queens. Drain out all fuel and oil and flush out the fuel system out with water with some detergent. Same with the engine or in the alternative remove the fuel system and engine, remove or make inop the electrical system ( obviously take out the battery and mags) seal the gas caps and cowl so it can't open, remove anything that would work ie transponder or radio if it were worth something and cover up the holes if not leave it in. Weld the prop in place or remove it.

Then truck it off to a local elementary school or town park and chain it down or anchor it in cement and let the kids have the best damn playgound equipment anywhere. Let em pretend to fly off carriers in a cherokee, to them it will be an F-14 or pretend to be a 747 captain or fly anywhere their imagination can take them.

Kids get to stoke thier imagination

Owner can take a tax deduction for the donation

Field gets rid of non revenue generating ramp queens

GA gets the seed planted early.

Win Win all around.

mmmmm I'm thinking this really may be a good idea. Wonder if AOPA might be interested.
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OMG if a kid got hurt on that thing, Yada Yada
 
SCCutler said:
There was a low-time Cessna 320 at ADS, in the old public tie-down area. It was near-new when it was tied down, an airplane-looking pile of scrap when it was towed away.
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oh the humanity!! someone should call the spca! (a=airplanes!)
 
Can schools actually have playgrounds these days? Then I think of the things we used to do with swings and slides, there would be multiple lawsuits if we did it today.
 
OtisAir said:
They took a C150 from Wings and dropped it down into the SCUBA diving quarry at Dutch Springs in Allentown PA. The C150, along with a helo, train, troller, fire engine, bus, and a bunch of other stuff help newer divers train for certifications. Maybe we can get a few more "donated" to be dunked.
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I didn't know that airplane came from Wings! I dove on it a couple of times and wondered what it's history is.

Lee
 
steingar said:
Can schools actually have playgrounds these days? Then I think of the things we used to do with swings and slides, there would be multiple lawsuits if we did it today.
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You won't see many.

They even put in the rubber pads under everything in my day. I remember a recent lawsuit where the parents won $millions from the Baord of Education or the Park District to support their injured 2 or 3 year old kid for life.
 
AdamZ said:
You could scrap them but probably won't get much. I'll tell ya what I think would be the absolute best thing to do with them. I came up with this idea while thinking of ways to promote GA.

Take the old ramp rot queens. Drain out all fuel and oil and flush out the fuel system out with water with some detergent. Same with the engine or in the alternative remove the fuel system and engine, remove or make inop the electrical system ( obviously take out the battery and mags) seal the gas caps and cowl so it can't open, remove anything that would work ie transponder or radio if it were worth something and cover up the holes if not leave it in. Weld the prop in place or remove it.

Then truck it off to a local elementary school or town park and chain it down or anchor it in cement and let the kids have the best damn playgound equipment anywhere. Let em pretend to fly off carriers in a cherokee, to them it will be an F-14 or pretend to be a 747 captain or fly anywhere their imagination can take them.

Kids get to stoke thier imagination

Owner can take a tax deduction for the donation

Field gets rid of non revenue generating ramp queens

GA gets the seed planted early.

Win Win all around.

mmmmm I'm thinking this really may be a good idea. Wonder if AOPA might be interested.
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NC19143 said:
OMG if a kid got hurt on that thing, Yada Yada
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What WE could do is mount the wingless plane on trailer and tow it around to farmer's markets and such as a display in a "Be A Pliot!" "Visit the airport!" booth.

The word was when a LSA maker brought a plane to a boat show he was swamped with enthusiastic interest.
 
dmccormack said:
We have a few of those on the ramp at FWQ. The owner passes away, the family thinks "We'll get lots of money for that! It's an airplane!"

And after the 10th inquiry ends with laughter and a hang up, they forget about the money and the airplane.
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You did notice this part $15,000 FIRM
 
I took a airport queen and spent three years and about $12,000. Not counting time and travel to get my Cessna 182 in flying condition. I am sorry to say that was on top of the $26,000. I paid for the airplane. I did get a good engine with the deal. It had been running and had only 200hr SMOH. I have been happy with the airplane since I got it flyable. I couldn't get my money back that I spent. But, I have flown it for 1300 hours since 1995 and it has given me great service. Bob
 

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steingar said:
Can schools actually have playgrounds these days? Then I think of the things we used to do with swings and slides, there would be multiple lawsuits if we did it today.
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Try looking for a seesaw. You won't find one.:frown2:
 
AdamZ said:
You could scrap them but probably won't get much. I'll tell ya what I think would be the absolute best thing to do with them. I came up with this idea while thinking of ways to promote GA.

Take the old ramp rot queens. Drain out all fuel and oil and flush out the fuel system out with water with some detergent. Same with the engine or in the alternative remove the fuel system and engine, remove or make inop the electrical system ( obviously take out the battery and mags) seal the gas caps and cowl so it can't open, remove anything that would work ie transponder or radio if it were worth something and cover up the holes if not leave it in. Weld the prop in place or remove it.

Then truck it off to a local elementary school or town park and chain it down or anchor it in cement and let the kids have the best damn playgound equipment anywhere. Let em pretend to fly off carriers in a cherokee, to them it will be an F-14 or pretend to be a 747 captain or fly anywhere their imagination can take them.

Kids get to stoke thier imagination

Owner can take a tax deduction for the donation

Field gets rid of non revenue generating ramp queens

GA gets the seed planted early.

Win Win all around.

mmmmm I'm thinking this really may be a good idea. Wonder if AOPA might be interested.
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It's a good idea, and it's been done... there's a park near where I used to live that had a derelict late-model F86 available for the kids to admire and play on. Not sure why I never took any pics of that... might be gone now for all I know. Nobody ever got killed on it AFAIK. :D I also recall it being graffiti-free, which is unusual.

A GA plane might also be a great learning tool if displayed in a school setting- there's an Ercoupe gate guardian at a (vocational?) HS near me in Newark (still haven't taken any pics of that yet , either for some reason).
 
ron22 said:
You did notice this part $15,000 FIRM
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Yea...

Sell the cockpit to a gamer for a REAL in home flight simulator.

Sad to see this happening. A couple years ago I ran across a boat that I had spent years restoring. I wish I hadn't seen it again.:nonod:
 
AdamZ said:
Then truck it off to a local elementary school or town park and chain it down or anchor it in cement and let the kids have the best damn playgound equipment anywhere. Let em pretend to fly off carriers in a cherokee, to them it will be an F-14 or pretend to be a 747 captain or fly anywhere their imagination can take them.
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It would last about three days , until the local punks found out how easily it bent and dented.

Dan
 
And then some drunks will come by, get a can opener, carve it up, load it in their shopping carts and sell it for scrap aluminum and buy some MD 20-20...
This is really sad to even look at,:nonod::nonod::nonod:

Ben.
 
Yeah, Kevin (Wings) helped disassemble it and get it up there. He's a divemaster too.

Nav8tor said:
I didn't know that airplane came from Wings! I dove on it a couple of times and wondered what it's history is.

Lee
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That 152 has been at the bottom of that Quarry for at least 23 Years so I assume you are talking about Kevin the A&P not the CFI.
 
Affirmative, the A&P. He's a good guy and has a Cherokee too.
 
ron22 said:
I missed it the first time but you are right
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The airplane looks like it is at Whiteman(WHP) in CA. If that is the case, there are only two types of airplanes that are based there. Really well maintained airplanes and complete junk. This doesn't seem to be one of the really well maintained ones.
 
LearDriver said:
Really well maintained airplanes and complete junk. This doesn't seem to be one of the really well maintained ones.
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You mean the well maintained ones dont keep their Ailerons inside?
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