Reporting Chart Errors

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Who else can I report chart errors to besides the catch all aeronav email?

Both our GPS and NDB approach plates have had the wrong briefing strip data for years. I emailed the catch all aeronav address months ago, but have not heard back.
 
Along the same lines, what does it take to get a glider symbol added to an airport?
 
If you emailed to the "errors" email address at Aeronav and nothing changed and no FDC NOTAM was issued, perhaps it's because they reviewed the data and felt there was no error. However, I'd be surprised if you heard nothing back from them at all -- they are usually very good about responding with whatever their resolution or determination is. Suggest you double check that the email went to 9-AMC-Aerochart@faa.gov. You could also call (800) 626-3677 to follow up.

As for Greg's question, I suspect that adding the glider symbol is (like A/FD entry data changes) something the FAA has to hear from airport management, so that's whom I'd speak to first.
 
Ron Levy said:
As for Greg's question, I suspect that adding the glider symbol is (like A/FD entry data changes) something the FAA has to hear from airport management, so that's whom I'd speak to first.
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It is a private strip and I am pretty sure the owner has no real desire to work on that project. I think the glider club would be more of a manager than the owner is.

And the "How to go about it" question was not answered.
 
ARFlyer said:
You taking up a new hobby Greg? :rofl:
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You add the smilie, but yes. I guess you could say that I am. I've been signed off for solo in the Schweizer 2-22 but haven't been able to actually do it yet. Started off towing them a couple of years ago and decided to just go ahead and do it.

The operation is based out of the airport I learned to fly at.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
It is a private strip and I am pretty sure the owner has no real desire to work on that project. I think the glider club would be more of a manager than the owner is.
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That may be so, but the FAA accepts airport data changes only from whoever's on their list as being the official source for that airport. For a private strip, that could be the owner, or the owner could delegate it to someone else. One would have to ask the people involved or the Regional Airport Office to find out who that is.
And the "How to go about it" question was not answered.
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The same way the airport operator gets any other information about the airport into FAA pubs.
https://nfdc.faa.gov/portal/airportChanges.do
 
Ron Levy said:
If you emailed to the "errors" email address at Aeronav and nothing changed and no FDC NOTAM was issued, perhaps it's because they reviewed the data and felt there was no error. However, I'd be surprised if you heard nothing back from them at all -- they are usually very good about responding with whatever their resolution or determination is. You could also call (800) 626-3677 to follow up.

As for Greg's question, I suspect that adding the glider symbol is (like A/FD entry data changes) something the FAA has to hear from airport management, so that's whom I'd speak to first.
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The email went to the correct address. :confused:

The issue was that the briefing strip says to receive your altimeter setting from Hot Springs. But the ASOS block has our ASOS freq and not Hot Springs.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
It is a private strip and I am pretty sure the owner has no real desire to work on that project. I think the glider club would be more of a manager than the owner is.

And the "How to go about it" question was not answered.
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AF/D changes are made by the airport manager to the Airport District Office that handles their region. It always seems that any change I report "just missed" the pub cycles so it usually takes somewhere around 24 weeks to do.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
Along the same lines, what does it take to get a glider symbol added to an airport?
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From the FAQs on the FAA's website:
How can I get a glider symbol for a specific area put on a chart?
Charting these areas is accomplished by adding an associated remark to the airport record (Example: "Glider activity in vicinity of airport"). Airport owners/managers should access the National Flight Data Center (NFDC) Portal at nfdc.faa.gov and submit an Airport Data Change Form (public and military airports only) or contact Aeronautical Information Management, AJV-21, at 1-(866) 295-8236 and request the addition of the remark. The FAA specialist will verify your information and publish a change in the National Flight Data Digest (NFDD). Once the change is in the NFDD the appropriate publication and charts are updated with the information for the next effective date.
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/faq/?print=go#q3d
 
ARFlyer said:
The email went to the correct address. :confused:

The issue was that the briefing strip says to receive your altimeter setting from Hot Springs. But the ASOS block has our ASOS freq and not Hot Springs.
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You may want to give this a try:
There's an email link associated with each procedure they (FAA) say will better serve you than the above "general" email addy. I sent in a comment on the missing feeder to Durant, OK, the subject of another thread, just yesterday. I had to register, then they sent me a confirmation link in an email. My spam scanner tossed it in the junk folder, though, and when I retrieved and clicked it--it "couldn't find the webpage". Seems to allow me to sign in now though. :dunno:

I think asking Flight Service or FSDO to request a Permanent NOTAM or "Abbreviated Amendment" would be faster.

dtuuri
 
dtuuri said:
You may want to give this a try:
There's an email link associated with each procedure they (FAA) say will better serve you than the above "general" email addy. I sent in a comment on the missing feeder to Durant, OK, the subject of another thread, just yesterday. I had to register, then they sent me a confirmation link in an email. My spam scanner tossed it in the junk folder, though, and when I retrieved and clicked it--it "couldn't find the webpage". Seems to allow me to sign in now though. :dunno:

dtuuri
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Thanks for the link! I found out that New charts are to be published two cycles from now. We are getting a new approach, however I'm annoyed about a new limitation. Both approaches will now be NA at Night?!?!?! There will be no way to get into the airport after dark now with ceilings lower then 2500'.

Anyone know why they made an already established approach NA at Night now?
 
There is a form on the FAA website for corrections. I will try to find it. I used it and successfully corrected the AF/D for KTMB.
 
ARFlyer said:
Thanks for the link! I found out that New charts are to be published two cycles from now. We are getting a new approach, however I'm annoyed about a new limitation. Both approaches will now be NA at Night?!?!?! There will be no way to get into the airport after dark now with ceilings lower then 2500'.

Anyone know why they made an already established approach NA at Night now?
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Probably unlighted obstructions? just a WAG :dunno:
 
peerlesscowboy said:
Probably unlighted obstructions? just a WAG :dunno:
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I found an article by an airport users group that talks about the FAA cracking down on the old 20:1 Visual Area Surfaces definitions.

Apparently the FAA, as of Jan 1, 2014, started enforcing the obstruction penetration criteria.

http://assets.listpilot.net/acina/files/Interim Policy - Visual Area Nov 2013.pdf

Well I guess there will not be any IFR night ops at a lot of airports. A few of the airports in AR that I looked up in dtuuri's link have amendments, for NA at Night, awaiting Publication.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
You add the smilie, but yes. I guess you could say that I am. I've been signed off for solo in the Schweizer 2-22 but haven't been able to actually do it yet. Started off towing them a couple of years ago and decided to just go ahead and do it.

The operation is based out of the airport I learned to fly at.
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I got .4 hours dual in a glider in the UK 3 years ago. That was FUN! I can see how people get hooked on those things. It's a good thing we don't have a glider operation close by. I think I'd spend all my time there.
 
After waiting for a few days for a response to my "Reply all" complaint, I sent another email to an fAA employee I thought was in a position to help. He graciously did, but prefers not to be identified. He says action has been started and the Durant approach chart will now be revised with a feeder. He also said the questionable "Initial procedure" hyperlink is also used for making change requests. The response I received was not from a "cartographer" it was from a developer.

I also asked about the KAPA lack of a feeder for non-turbine, non-GPS aircraft and he said to use the same procedure initiation process to make that change request: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/procedures/ifp_initiation/

I'll cross post this to the other threads.

dtuuri
 
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