Read before you give Obama care information.

Because of Obamacare, over 2 million people have lost their insurance, just in the last few days.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...-booted-from-existing-health-insurance-plans/

Democrats are sociopaths. No compassion.

Losing your insurance?
Jan Schakowsky, D-Illinois:
‘Get over it,’
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Losing your insurance? ‘Get over it,’ says Dem rep
http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2013/10/30/losing-your-insurance-get-over-it-says-dem-rep/

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2013/10/30/losing-your-insurance-get-over-it-says-dem-rep/
 
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JoseCuervo said:
Do you think the previous healthcare system was working?
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Yes it was working, every health care facility knew exactly how much it costs to keep the door open every month. they knew how many people they would treat and basically did a cost averaging to keep the doors open.

those with insurance would pay for those that didn't. that is why we had high prices for insurance.

No one went to the emergency room and did not get treated.
 
I'm anything but a computer expert, but really how difficult was it to make this web site and get it right?

$600,000,000 bucks hard ?
 
I'm on medicare now and have finally decided to get on the VA medical plan. Ugly looking example of socialized medicine is the first thing that struck me as I was wanded through the entryway check point. But affordable, really affordable.

-John
 
Mixed bag.
1. My premium rose by 100 percent
On the bright side my grandmother wife has maternity and birth control pills covered:D

2. Yawn - you wimps. When I wrote code for a living it was in hexadecimal and calling memory addresses in binary and precalculating memory addresses for variable strings.

3. The high court has said the ACA is the law of the land - good, bad, or evil (high probability) - and so you are stuck with it.
It may also be an unlawful spending bill because it did not originate in the house per a Constitutional requirement. Watching this hissy fight is going to be a hoot.

I solved my problems (most) with Obama in 2010 when I sold my all businesses
and fired the staff. While I did not predict the ACA I knew that with a proven ( by his actions) Neo Marxist in power it was going to be ' fleece the productive ' time - and likely very soon.

I have always been a realist and history shows us that all
Democracies fail because the average person is like a child with a bag of candy. Without a parent figure ( usually a king or dictator) he will gobble it all down and to hell with consequences. We are busily doing that since Roosevelt.
But, I have always been an optimist and said not in my lifetime.
I'm beginning to wonder.
 
Dr. O said:
3. The high court has said the ACA is the law of the land - good, bad, or evil (high probability) - and so you are stuck with it.
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No, it means we cannot rely on the Supreme Court to uphold the US Constitution. Relief from the ACA will require electing people that will repeal it.
 
Dr. O said:
I have always been a realist and history shows us that all
Democracies fail because the average person is like a child with a bag of candy.
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For one thing we never were a democracy, we were meant to be a republic, but we were converted to a oligarchy, when the federal government started to invent departments and started appointing heads of departments like the HHR, Transportation, Secretary of defense, Secretary of education, etc. who are not elected by the people who they rule. That's neither a republic or democracy.

To make it easy they invented administrative law, which was never intended to be, but they must get around the Constitution some how.

We are one hundred years down a slippery slope and gaining speed to eventual destruction in the same manner as Greece, then the riots will start, and then we will have martial law and a dictator.
 
Leave it to a Canadian to explain the fundamental problems with ObamaCare.

In order to meet its target of 7 million enrollees by March 1, Obamacare needs to enroll approximately 46,358 Americans per day. So on its opening day it fell 46,352 short. Were it to maintain that enrollment rate, Obamacare would reach its target of 7 million enrollees in the year 5209. That’s longer than waiting for a hip replacement on the Scottish NHS.
At the same time as dozens of Obamacare enrollees were being signed up, millions of other Americans were having their health insurance canceled http://www.nationalreview.com/article/362922/phalanx-lies-mark-steyn

Most developed nations have a public health-care system and a private health-care system — of variable quality, to be sure, but all of them far simpler to navigate than America's endlessly mutating fusion of the worst of both worlds. Obamacare stitches together the rear ends of two pantomime horses and attempts to ride it to the sunlit uplands http://www.steynonline.com/5862/third-party-statism
 
Is there a study on how many of the canceled policies were issued after the insurer knew they were not ACA compliant? I heard a rumor about insurance companies taking advantage of people by offering "non-coverage" policies (policies that didn't even pay out as much as the premiums in all but the most extreme circumstances) that they knew were going to eventually be canceled. The benefit to these companies is that, by offering almost no coverage at a low premium, the companies could profit from people who would otherwise not have purchased insurance while never paying out.
 
ChrisK said:
Is there a study on how many of the canceled policies were issued after the insurer knew they were not ACA compliant? I heard a rumor about insurance companies taking advantage of people by offering "non-coverage" policies (policies that didn't even pay out as much as the premiums in all but the most extreme circumstances) that they knew were going to eventually be canceled. The benefit to these companies is that, by offering almost no coverage at a low premium, the companies could profit from people who would otherwise not have purchased insurance while never paying out.
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Given that the law had to be passed before it could be known what was in it, such policies would not have been covered by the ethereal grandfather clause anyway.
 
roncachamp said:
Given that the law had to be passed before it could be known what was in it, such policies would not have been covered by the ethereal grandfather clause anyway.
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I award you extra credit for the word "ethereal", which is disappointingly underused.
 
A major function of ObamaCare is to cost shift from wealthier healthier people to the sick or poor. The mechanism for achieving this goal was the implementation of the exchanges. Since employers were relieved of forced participation the burden fell on those with individual policies. The pool of those currently uninsured did not contain enough people to shoulder the burden of providing for the poor or those with preexisting conditions. The architects of the plan decided to deprive the individually insured of current policies to force them into the exchanges. So much for "you may keep your plan if you like it". Unfortunately, many of those people will find the exchange plans less affordable and will opt for the tax (fine) since preexisting conditions are not the issue they were previously. The insurance death spiral begins.
 
Gary F said:
A major function of ObamaCare is to cost shift from wealthier healthier people to the sick or poor. The mechanism for achieving this goal was the implementation of the exchanges. Since employers were relieved of forced participation the burden fell on those with individual policies. The pool of those currently uninsured did not contain enough people to shoulder the burden of providing for the poor or those with preexisting conditions. The architects of the plan decided to deprive the individually insured of current policies to force them into the exchanges. So much for "you may keep your plan if you like it". Unfortunately, many of those people will find the exchange plans less affordable and will opt for the tax (fine) since preexisting conditions are not the issue they were previously. The insurance death spiral begins.
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Actually it's designed to move money from the young (who don't have it) to the aging Boomers who never got a job that included bennies or got laid off from same. It's not well designed to have the rich pay for the poor of that was their intention. Places far more of the burden on 20-something's than 40-50 something's.
 
denverpilot said:
Actually it's designed to move money from the young (who don't have it) to the aging Boomers who never got a job that included bennies or got laid off from same. It's not well designed to have the rich pay for the poor of that was their intention. Places far more of the burden on 20-something's than 40-50 something's.
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The rates for the middle aged are rising substantially. It's as much of a rich poor as a young old thing.

Dean Griffin liked the health insurance he purchased for himself and his wife three years ago and thought he'd be able to keep the plan even after the federal Affordable Care Act took effect.
But the 64-year-old recently received a letter notifying him the plan was being canceled because it didn't cover certain benefits required under the law.
The Griffins, who live near Philadelphia, pay $770 monthly for their soon-to-be-terminated health care plan with a $2,500 deductible. The cheapest plan they found on their state insurance exchange was a so-called bronze plan charging a $1,275 monthly premium with deductibles totaling $12,700. It covers only providers in Pennsylvania, so the couple, who live near Delaware, won't be able to see doctors they've used for more than a decade.
"We're buying insurance that we will never use and can't possibly ever benefit from.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-11-02-09-44-38
 
Well okay then. It's a huge f-you by the Dems to everyone. You're right.
 
denverpilot said:
Actually it's designed to move money from the young (who don't have it) to the aging Boomers who never got a job that included bennies or got laid off from same. It's not well designed to have the rich pay for the poor of that was their intention. Places far more of the burden on 20-something's than 40-50 something's.
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The government-paid subsidies redistribute income from wealthy to poor. Note that the site presents a price that includes subsidies so folks will never know the true cost of the plan options (except, of course, those folks that are too rich to get subsidies). The company I work for makes sure we know the total cost of the plan as well as the portion paid by company - it helps control costs.
 
wsuffa said:
The government-paid subsidies redistribute income from wealthy to poor. Note that the site presents a price that includes subsidies so folks will never know the true cost of the plan options (except, of course, those folks that are too rich to get subsidies). The company I work for makes sure we know the total cost of the plan as well as the portion paid by company - it helps control costs.
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Hiding true costs of everything is a way of life for Americans these days. 7 year car loans, credit cards, 30 year mortgages.
 
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