Rant...young workers

In her third year of college the girl is on the honor roll. She is getting her private pilots license.( She was on the honor roll in high school. ) She runs track and swims on the college team. She plans to apply for naval air cadets and has already spoken to them. Her brother just graduated college, was hired by a civil engineering firm that he worked for summers while getting his engineering degree. His other brother graduated in computer science, also joined the guard and was comm. a 2nd Louie and flys Helios in addition to being employed by a major computer corporation with a very nice salary. All are under 26 years old. Lots of young people like this, working for good solid companys!
 
I've found that people are more than willing to help out a young person. My current employer hired me as a 207 driver, and since I was apparently doing a good job I got upgraded to a 208 and made an instructor pilot in the sled. I'm 20.

There are some, but as this thread has shown, the baby boomers are totally delusional about the younger generations out there today. Aviation is one of the easiest jobs to get into young, as beyond the certificates, entry level jobs rarely have a requirement for college. That eliminates 4 to 5 years of wasted time. Now that said, to move up much, you'll need to be able to check the box down the road.
 
And people wonder why GA is dying? This thread is case and point for it. An area dominated by the older generations, who do nothing but ***** about "them damn young people." Why on Earth would the young people want anything to do with you old codgers?

50% of the boomers are staring a retirement with $100,000 or less in the bank and will be highly dependent on their hand outs from the kids they're on here bitching and moaning about.
 
I suspect I deal with more young people than everyone on this board combined. Like people of any age group there is a continuum, and there are indeed young people who evince a lack of drive or motivation. I'm related to a couple of them. But for every one of them there are who who are motivated and want to get the most out of life that their abilities can afford them. I cannot say how proud I am to be associated with such youth and vigor. Rant all you like, they are the future.

I suspect that the students who take your courses probably would represent the cream of any generation's crop, Perfessor.

Rich
 
Here's the best advice I can give. It doesn't always work, but I have had many people come back years later and tell me they took my advice and it worked great.

Forget about applying to posted or advertised jobs. Of course, you can still do that, and even that works for some people some of the time. But it is largely an exercise in futility, unless there is a huge demand and little supply.

When a company advertises it may mean they are required to post for jobs whether they intend to hire from the applicants or not. It may also mean people are quitting with little notice and they are now desperate.

And they are going to be inundated with applicants.

When I advertise for a technician job, I get everything from manicurists to PHDs. I get to the point where I spend about 3 seconds looking for a typo or any other reason I can find to toss the resume.

Most of my best hires happened when someone with the qualifications I need walks in the door and introduces themselves. I often hire them whether I need them or not just so I don't have to weed through hundreds of resumes when I desperately need someone qualified.

So, identify the type of job you want and then identify the types of businesses that use people with your skills and go knock on doors. Networking is great if you know someone at a company where you would like to work, even if they aren't advertising. I can't say this enough, but the best jobs are not advertised. They don't need to advertise. When you apply for an advertised job you become a small digit in a huge numbers game.

Pick out a place you want to work, dress just a little nicer than what you would expect to wear if you did work there and go ahead and sell yourself.

DON'T JUST APPLY TO ADVERTISED JOBS AND SIT ON THE COUCH WAITING FOR A CALL THAT PROBABLY WON'T COME.

You know, you have a point there. With the exception of a few part-time placements through the college job office while I was an undergrad, I believe that every job I ever got was the result of a cold-call walk-in.

Rich
 
Here's the best advice I can give. It doesn't always work, but I have had many people come back years later and tell me they took my advice and it worked great.

Forget about applying to posted or advertised jobs. Of course, you can still do that, and even that works for some people some of the time. But it is largely an exercise in futility, unless there is a huge demand and little supply.

When a company advertises it may mean they are required to post for jobs whether they intend to hire from the applicants or not. It may also mean people are quitting with little notice and they are now desperate.

And they are going to be inundated with applicants.

When I advertise for a technician job, I get everything from manicurists to PHDs. I get to the point where I spend about 3 seconds looking for a typo or any other reason I can find to toss the resume.

Most of my best hires happened when someone with the qualifications I need walks in the door and introduces themselves. I often hire them whether I need them or not just so I don't have to weed through hundreds of resumes when I desperately need someone qualified.

So, identify the type of job you want and then identify the types of businesses that use people with your skills and go knock on doors. Networking is great if you know someone at a company where you would like to work, even if they aren't advertising. I can't say this enough, but the best jobs are not advertised. They don't need to advertise. When you apply for an advertised job you become a small digit in a huge numbers game.

Pick out a place you want to work, dress just a little nicer than what you would expect to wear if you did work there and go ahead and sell yourself.

DON'T JUST APPLY TO ADVERTISED JOBS AND SIT ON THE COUCH WAITING FOR A CALL THAT PROBABLY WON'T COME.
Good advice in general. Not always applicable though. I landed my current position by answering an ad. I applied online to the HR department, the black hole where applications rot. And I didn't hear anything for over 4 weeks and was ready to write the place off. Then came an email, a couple of phone interviews, and finally an invitation to interview in person and give a talk. I was ready to interview in my best outfit, but was asked the night before I flew out specifically NOT to do that, to dress down as it was summer and I'd be very much out of place if I did as planned. Business casual, I was told, and just plain casual for dinner.

This was for a non tenure-track professorial position at a private university. YMMV as always.
 
There are some, but as this thread has shown, the baby boomers are totally delusional about the younger generations out there today. Aviation is one of the easiest jobs to get into young, as beyond the certificates, entry level jobs rarely have a requirement for college. That eliminates 4 to 5 years of wasted time. Now that said, to move up much, you'll need to be able to check the box down the road.

As a few of my friends have recently found out, in the current hiring market with proper experience a college degree is not required. I beat out a couple of college grads for this job, and as I make considerably more than a regional airline captain I would not consider it "entry level".
 
As a few of my friends have recently found out, in the current hiring market with proper experience a college degree is not required. I beat out a couple of college grads for this job, and as I make considerably more than a regional airline captain I would not consider it "entry level".

Sure, but is it a career place? Probably not. To get to one of the career places, you're going to need to check the box.
 
Sure, but is it a career place? Probably not. To get to one of the career places, you're going to need to check the box.
I think plenty of people spend their career in Alaska or at some utility job where you don't need a degree. You (and I) don't have any idea about David's goals.
 
And people wonder why GA is dying? This thread is case and point for it. An area dominated by the older generations, who do nothing but ***** about "them damn young people." Why on Earth would the young people want anything to do with you old codgers?
welcome to the delusions of grandeur that makes this forum.
 
Sure, but is it a career place? Probably not. To get to one of the career places, you're going to need to check the box.

I like sleeping in my own bed every night way too much to go to work at an airline. Plenty of places in Alaska that pay $125+ a year....if you're in the know with experience. I love flying in Alaska, and couldn't really see myself doing anything else. There's lots of "career" guys in Alaska aviation. The pay, the time off, and the flying (if you're working for a good company) what's not to love?
 
I am 57 which makes me a baby boomer or so I have always been told. I detest labels such as these generational ones. When I was a teen and a 20 something, I constantly heard comments from “the greatest generation” about my age group. We would never amount to anything, we were lazy, we would destroy this country, blah, blah, freakin’ blah. Guess what? They were wrong. Now, there were those amongst my generation that were and remain worthless pieces of **** and tried their best to prove the opinion of the older generation but there were by far many more that were not. All in all, we did ok. Same with the younger folks now. There are those who I would not give the time of day to. There are others that I would trust with the very future of this world. And there are those in between those two poles who simply get the job done and help the world move along in its usual fashion and even help to advance mankind.
In my career I have hired, promoted and fired people from all age groups. I have praised and condemned individuals of all ages. Does it appear on the surface that today’s young people come into the workforce unprepared and with unrealistic expectations? Sure. But the generation before mine felt the same way.
And if today’s youth are more messed up due to a broken education system and the ‘everybody is a winner’ mentality, well answer this question. Who did it to them?
 
And if today’s youth are more messed up due to a broken education system and the ‘everybody is a winner’ mentality, well answer this question.Who did it to them?

Easy... the ****ty NEA membership who couldn't do much and sure can't teach, but havbe plenty of energy to promote al gore's stupid movie, criminalizing children for the way they chew their pop tarts, and can't make a decidison so they bury their tiny narrow minded, bigoted brains in zero tolerance policies to avoid adult decisions.
 
There are some, but as this thread has shown, the baby boomers are totally delusional about the younger generations out there today. Aviation is one of the easiest jobs to get into young, as beyond the certificates, entry level jobs rarely have a requirement for college. That eliminates 4 to 5 years of wasted time. Now that said, to move up much, you'll need to be able to check the box down the road.
I see more young people bitching about boomers than the other way around.

So what are you going to do about all the bad things we did to you? Just whine and complain and accept it, or are you going to step up to the plate and actually "exceed expectations". That should be easy. Expectations are low.
 
I've found that people are more than willing to help out a young person. My current employer hired me as a 207 driver, and since I was apparently doing a good job I got upgraded to a 208 and made an instructor pilot in the sled. I'm 20.


At the risk of thread drift from this otherwise intellectual conversation, congratulations! For what it's worth, I'm proud of you.
 
I like sleeping in my own bed every night way too much to go to work at an airline. Plenty of places in Alaska that pay $125+ a year....if you're in the know with experience. I love flying in Alaska, and couldn't really see myself doing anything else. There's lots of "career" guys in Alaska aviation. The pay, the time off, and the flying (if you're working for a good company) what's not to love?
Ummm... maybe the winters? :dunno:
 
I would hope that a 96% placement rate with their Aeronautics degrees doesn't include fast food and waiting tables.
yo missed the most important part, employment plus continuing education

IOW going back to school to study something different that might lead to employment
 
At the risk of thread drift from this otherwise intellectual conversation, congratulations! For what it's worth, I'm proud of you.

Thank you Mark!
 
Half the state has milder winters than the Midwest....
True, but I was thinking more of the darkness than the cold. I can stand the below zero days here in VT, but going to work before dawn and coming home at dusk takes its toll. I can't imagine living somewhere the sun never gets more than 10 degrees above the horizon for nearly 3 months, and it's only daylight for 7 hours out of every 24.

But, to each their own. And in case I didn't say it earlier, congratulations on finding a career that really works for you!
 
yo missed the most important part, employment plus continuing education

IOW going back to school to study something different that might lead to employment

Dang, that fine print stuff again! :rolleyes:
 
Someone early on mentioned becoming indispensable. In the tech industry I find as soon as that starts happening it's time to start looking for a new job. If no one else can do my job then my vacation time is restricted, I start getting calls when I'm not on-call, people start asking questions about just about everything and I end up not having any time to do my actual job. I have no illusions that there are no careers in tech, just the next job for the next few years.

Why yes, I am looking for a new job right now... One that lets me work remote, travel some and ideally not work for the same customer for more than a few months so I don't end up indispensable.
 
I like sleeping in my own bed every night way too much to go to work at an airline. Plenty of places in Alaska that pay $125+ a year....if you're in the know with experience. I love flying in Alaska, and couldn't really see myself doing anything else. There's lots of "career" guys in Alaska aviation. The pay, the time off, and the flying (if you're working for a good company) what's not to love?

Fair enough, if you can stomach Alaska, mad respect for you. I think it would be fun for a season, but no more for me. Now that I've got about equal time in flying some 91, some 135 and some 121, I can't say that any of the three are a clear cut winner for me.
 
This was for a non tenure-track professorial position at a private university. YMMV as always.

I think this varies by industry. University jobs usually have to be posted and unless it is a pro-forma posting, there is an actual process to select candidates for further interviews.
 
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