Rant...young workers

Things are weird.

I hear hiring managers and recruiters bemoan the fact they can't find workers.

I hear workers bemoan the fact they can't find a job.

TV and radio news talks about the unemployment rate, needing to raise the minimum wage and forgiving student loan debt due to lack of jobs.

I see tons of ads online for jobs, many paying very well.


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Had a Very Senior Manager at a local high-tech company posted his whine there weren't any qualified people around to hire. The response was overwhelming that the problem wasn't lack of talent in the area, it was the HR department. Every person who publicly replied to him also posted their resume and mentioned they had applied to the company for the position. They also explained that not one received any response.

Far too many companies are going with the computer-scan-software that looks for buzzwords. If the buzzwords are there, then a human in HR (is that contradictory?) looks the resume for the same buzzwords. Then maybe, if the moon is full and it's the 3rd Tuesday in a month with an R, the resume may be passed along to the hiring manager.

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I'm overqualified, over-priced, over 45 with DOD, DOT & DOI clearances out the wazoo. I cut my price by 30% for the last 2 full-time positions, neither lasted more than 3 months. Thank you, Sequestration.
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It's a lovely day, I'm going flying while I can still afford it.
 
We hired six software interns at the place I work, all freshmen or sophomores at the University of Texas. They are all great.

The best one was born in Mexico, one is from India, the other four are of Asian descent.

As a UT grad, the CS Dept and the School of Engineering are in the top 10 schools in the nation. Philosophical Question: Why aren't the native US students as qualified or better than the interns you hired?

I can tell you - There's a world-wide collegiate programming contest every year (I think we're in year 30 or so). Over the past 10 years, the number of US teams in the top 10 has gotten smaller. This year, for the first time in history, no team from a US University placed in the top 10.

All of a sudden, after 50 years of telling students "The Business of America is Business" everyone is panicking and STEM/STEAM has become the BuzzWord.
 
Don't overlook networking. Remember it's not what you know, but who you know! My son has gotten several jobs running boats by word of mouth and being pretty outgoing. He's not afraid to talk to anyone, one morning the text me that he had drinks at the bar with the vice-chairman of Bluetooth! :dunno: He has no interest in the tech field, but you never know who you'll meet hanging out at the marina or airport! :D
 
As a UT grad, the CS Dept and the School of Engineering are in the top 10 schools in the nation. Philosophical Question: Why aren't the native US students as qualified or better than the interns you hired?

Our CEO has a friend who is a CS Professor at UT, he announced our openings in his lower division classes.

All the candidates had 3.0 - 3.9 gpas. I don't mind a little lower gpa if the kid is working his or her way through college, or has significant personal projects.

I interviewed about 25 students to pick these hires. I think we brought in about half of those for the team to interview.

All but two of these kids had done really significant personal projects, one had 50 apps in the Google Play Store. The two without a lot of personal projects two aced the tech interview and coding test anyway.

Why didn't we hire any native U.S. kids? Hard to say, we were not operating under any sort of quota, we don't even have an HR department.

I would have been happy to hire a kid who looked like a 20 year old me, but I had to go with the best candidates. I will say the kids we hired were pretty hungry to get the job.
 
I think that people are people no matter what you wish for. In 1985 I spent 2 months trying to find a couple guys to do a job. I went through about 100 people before I found one guy who could actually think and had enough interest to want to learn the job. He was interested in the job because it was something he wanted to do. He had a brain and was able to not only learn things but to put 2 and 2 together without my help. Not sure what he is doing now but I'm guessing there are a lot of welfare guys depending on him. I found one other person for the crew. The other guy just worked enough to make sure he had a job. He wasn't a bad guy just had little interest. Work was work to him and not his life. He was enough better than the other 98 folks that I kept him working throughout the project and gave him a good reference when we were done.
Basic point here is that about 95% of the folks here and now as well as way back when have no interest in anything but playing or doing their own thing. If you can come up with one or two people who actually want to do the job than you're lucky. I'm sure the percentages might have changed over the years but I recall my folks and their folks saying the same things back in the dark ages....."kids have gone to hell haven't they....no one wants to work anymore".
There are still a few who do want to work and probably just as many as there were back "then".

Frank
 
Overdrive, to me, you sound desperate. Applying for a job online is not the only option. If you haven't done so, get someone to look over and adjust your résumé (preferably someone from who reads them all day).

Not trying to sound facetious, but what is your definition of desperate in this case? Wanting a career? Or just worrying or pushing too much about how to get into one?

Also JOhnH reviewed my resume a few months back and said he liked it. Offered tips to touch it up a little as well.

Where do you live and what is your degree in?
I live in Norman, OK (just south of OKC) and my degree is in Aeronautics from Embry-Riddle.

Have you considered relocating? That's often the key to starting out. Find a job and move to wherever it is. You can move back to OK later, with some experience and a larger job market.

Which boils down to two questions: 1) what's your degree in? 2) anywhere you do NOT want to live? This dyed in the wool Southern boy took a transfer to Ohio for almost five years, then spent nine more in WV before making back South; now I'm planning to stay.

Treat us like a network, but we need more information. I know my company has a half-dozen salaried openings.
Relocating is something I'd like to do eventually - I would like to avoid the desert and the south is a bit warm for my liking (been heat baked my whole life). I know aviation is an industry you've got to be willing to travel for but I haven't found anything related that would pay me enough to get away from here to start.

Don't overlook networking. Remember it's not what you know, but who you know! My son has gotten several jobs running boats by word of mouth and being pretty outgoing. He's not afraid to talk to anyone, one morning the text me that he had drinks at the bar with the vice-chairman of Bluetooth! :dunno: He has no interest in the tech field, but you never know who you'll meet hanging out at the marina or airport! :D

The biggest tip I can give is to network. Even if that means small talk at the fuel truck with the aircraft owner. Who knows where it can lead? Use your manners.

And funny that you should mention this - I have had applications in since December for the FAA ATC training program. A guy walked in and couldn't make a flight due to weather. While sticking around for his wife to pick him up, we got to talking about weather, then tornadoes, jobs, school, flying etc. Turns out he flies for the FAA, has been a controller (9 years) and said he had the same problems as me when he was young. Graduated, no one wanted to hire him. He said that he had some ATC friends and they pushed him to apply - he did, got the job. Never had an interest in ATC but he said it was the best thing that he ever did.

His wife shows up, he mentions ATC, I say I already applied and got rejected. I mention the whole scandal thing with their hiring and his wife jumps in and talks about what happened. Turns out she's an active controller. And a manager of some part of the FAA ATC academy. :eek:

Long story short - they invited me on a tour next week of the facility and the stuff around it. I've struck up a bunch of conversations with pilots coming through, not because I'm aiming for stuff like this, I just like talking but wow!
 
We picked up our two Chinese girls at the airport 2 weeks ago. As usual, they instantly became our top housekeepers, making our American employees look terrible.

This is the 5th year we've hired foreign kids using the J1 visa program. These kids compete for the right to work in America. They are all college students or grad students. They pay their own way here and back, and we pay them the same as our other employees -- $9/hour to start.

We put them up in our motor home for the summer. We provide the RV at no charge, but they pay the lot rent.

We send them our 17 page housekeeping manual in advance, so they have time to translate it. As a result, they arrive nearly fully trained. Mary shows them how we want the rooms to look ONCE. From that point on, they are perfect -- clean enough to eat off the floors.

Compare this to our Americans, who (presuming they show up at all) are often impaired. Even sober, their work is often inconsistent, half-hearted, and barely acceptable. We often have to make them re-clean substandard rooms -- I don't remember that ever happening with our foreign kids.

Housekeeping is hard work. These are entry-level jobs for unskilled labor, which is supposedly the largest group of chronically unemployed people in America -- yet we can never find enough American workers. Weird, eh?

We have previously hired Russians, Mongolians, Poles, and Chinese workers. The worst of them has been as good as our best American employees, which is just very, very hard to swallow. What has happened to our work ethic?

We could not survive without these kids. As usual, there are hundreds of them on the island this summer, providing the backbone of our labor force.
 
Poverty used to be the big motivator for young folks. Now we have the fattest "poor" people I have ever seen.

Some of those fat poor people have grown up absolutely certain that the big white master in DC would take care fo them, by way of the welfare check, and they have no concept of the relationship between production and pay.

I've noticed that people who come to work for me that are climbing out of the rut of poverty, do so with an intention that makes it nearly impossible not to notice them, promote them, and help them succeed, because I've been there and recognize honest effort and intentionality.
 
I think it's as much societal as generational, it's more apparent with the younger ones, but I've met quite a few 50 yr old slackers! It seems everyone in entitled to something, SOME older worker think they are entitled to the job, even though the quit working years ago and are just filling time. Young workers think they are entitled to earn the same money as someone with 15 years experience. And everyone is entitled to be off on the weekend!! :mad2:
My middle son is working two jobs, Thursday he worked all day helping a guy clean up around his house and then went to work until 4 AM as a bouncer. Got up at 6AM, captained a boat all day, got home at 6:30 last night took a shower, ate dinner and back to the bar at 10, worked til 4 this morning! :yikes: He may sleep away his 4th of July, but he doesn't mind working! :D

Congrats on raising GREAT kids...:thumbsup:

I have 3 brothers ( 4 boys) in the family... I was the only one to not want to go to college.. Was locked out of my parents house on my 18th birthday.. Dad said since I can't deduct you any more, you are on your own... I grew up real fast that night... Got a job in construction as a laborer for a block mason. 2 years later started as a automotive machinist. Got married with 200 bucks in the bank ,living in a mobile home park in Homestead Fla in 1976. Moved to Apopka Fla, still did machinist work all day, started a business and sold C band satellite dishes, started a dyno /engine R&D business. Bought a few planes, and was co owner in X04 airport... Sold it all off ( dyno business went to Jasper Engines) now Penske Racing. Plane went to England.. Took the cash and bought property in Jackson Hole in 1989 and moved here in 1991..

Family wrote me off as a loser... No body gave me a dime, I earned EVERY penny I have. Made some smart investments... Both parents died a few years back but before they passed on we had a cook out here in Jackson..

They all sat around bragging about all their toys and fancy cars , RV's . boats, etc etc...

Turns out my net worth was greater then all of them COMBINED...:rolleyes:;);):)

Moral of the story.... Work your ass off like John's son and it will come back in spades in your favor...:yes::yes:....
 
Young workers think they are entitled to earn the same money as someone with 15 years experience. And everyone is entitled to be off on the weekend!! :mad2:

One of my co-workers tried to give me that line about being too young. My response?

I've been here 4 years... in that time, I've rescued multiple 7 figure projects, got clients to go from threatening to sue to writing thank you letters, completely overhauled our broken kludge SOP and standards, got a contract from in danger of expiring to awarded in 6 days, and I just got done fixing in a week a problem upper mgmt had been screwing around with for a quarter- including signatures.

You're welcome, I'll be back on Monday.:mad:
 
Congrats on raising GREAT kids...:thumbsup:

I have 3 brothers ( 4 boys) in the family... I was the only one to not want to go to college.. Was locked out of my parents house on my 18th birthday.. Dad said since I can't deduct you any more, you are on your own... I grew up real fast that night... Got a job in construction as a laborer for a block mason. 2 years later started as a automotive machinist. Got married with 200 bucks in the bank ,living in a mobile home park in Homestead Fla in 1976. Moved to Apopka Fla, still did machinist work all day, started a business and sold C band satellite dishes, started a dyno /engine R&D business. Bought a few planes, and was co owner in X04 airport... Sold it all off ( dyno business went to Jasper Engines) now Penske Racing. Plane went to England.. Took the cash and bought property in Jackson Hole in 1989 and moved here in 1991..

Family wrote me off as a loser... No body gave me a dime, I earned EVERY penny I have. Made some smart investments... Both parents died a few years back but before they passed on we had a cook out here in Jackson..

They all sat around bragging about all their toys and fancy cars , RV's . boats, etc etc...

Turns out my net worth was greater then all of them COMBINED...:rolleyes:;);):)

Moral of the story.... Work your ass off like John's son and it will come back in spades in your favor...:yes::yes:....
Gotta say, it must be in an interesting family reunion where everyone sits around and compares net worths... :eek:
 
Gotta say, it must be in an interesting family reunion where everyone sits around and compares net worths... :eek:

That is why I HATE my family.... Or what's left of them....

They are 2500 miles away...
And that is too close...:redface:
 
When I graduated high school in 1975 everyone was complaining there were no jobs to be found. Since I planned to get married in a month I needed a job fast !!!. I started looking and ran into the same thing as you , no experience. I finally decided to change my aproach. I discussed it with my father and when he stopped laughing he said good luck. The next day I went to five places and applied for a job, I made them an offer that suprised them. I offered to work for them for a week and at the end of the week if they were satisfied with my work they would pay me for the week and hire me full time. If they were not happy then I would thank them for the opportunity and the owed me nothing !. The next day all 5 places called and wanted to hire me full time right off from the start. They all said they loved my attitude and willingness to to take a chance to show what I could do. All I risked was a week of my time and since I was not employed I figured it was worth the chance. Take a chance and see what happens.
 
That is why I HATE my family.... Or what's left of them....

They are 2500 miles away...
And that is too close...:redface:
Man, that's rough. I don't know the other half of my family due to reasons, but I wasn't kicked out at 18 either. They might be the type to do that whole bragging thing though.

When I graduated high school in 1975 everyone was complaining there were no jobs to be found. Since I planned to get married in a month I needed a job fast !!!. I started looking and ran into the same thing as you , no experience. I finally decided to change my aproach. I discussed it with my father and when he stopped laughing he said good luck. The next day I went to five places and applied for a job, I made them an offer that suprised them. I offered to work for them for a week and at the end of the week if they were satisfied with my work they would pay me for the week and hire me full time. If they were not happy then I would thank them for the opportunity and the owed me nothing !. The next day all 5 places called and wanted to hire me full time right off from the start. They all said they loved my attitude and willingness to to take a chance to show what I could do. All I risked was a week of my time and since I was not employed I figured it was worth the chance. Take a chance and see what happens.

Which did you end up taking?
 
The first one, I could not afford to be picky. It was nothing great but it was a start and the experience I gained the first year opened other options elswhere that were better. It worked well for me at the time. I kind of figured what did I have to lose but a weeks work.
 
I suspect I deal with more young people than everyone on this board combined. Like people of any age group there is a continuum, and there are indeed young people who evince a lack of drive or motivation. I'm related to a couple of them. But for every one of them there are who who are motivated and want to get the most out of life that their abilities can afford them. I cannot say how proud I am to be associated with such youth and vigor. Rant all you like, they are the future.
 
I suspect I deal with more young people than everyone on this board combined. Like people of any age group there is a continuum, and there are indeed young people who evince a lack of drive or motivation. I'm related to a couple of them. But for every one of them there are who who are motivated and want to get the most out of life that their abilities can afford them. I cannot say how proud I am to be associated with such youth and vigor. Rant all you like, they are the future.


God help the future.....:redface::redface::rolleyes:
 
I suspect I deal with more young people than everyone on this board combined. Like people of any age group there is a continuum, and there are indeed young people who evince a lack of drive or motivation. I'm related to a couple of them. But for every one of them there are who who are motivated and want to get the most out of life that their abilities can afford them. I cannot say how proud I am to be associated with such youth and vigor. Rant all you like, they are the future.

I'll take that bet.

I suspect you missed the point of the rant... it's precisely because they are future that people are less than optimistic.
 
I suspect I deal with more young people than everyone on this board combined. Like people of any age group there is a continuum, and there are indeed young people who evince a lack of drive or motivation. I'm related to a couple of them. But for every one of them there are who who are motivated and want to get the most out of life that their abilities can afford them. I cannot say how proud I am to be associated with such youth and vigor. Rant all you like, they are the future.
Not so sure about that one. ;)

But I agree with your points. I see a lot of highly motivated and potentially highly competent young people coming through the military college. The best of them will no doubt enjoy distinguished careers as commissioned officers in every branch of the service. The biggest problem the rest of them have, particularly as regards STEM careers, is poor secondary education. Our high schools are failing the next generation big time, especially in math. These are students who can't do simple arithmetic without a calculator, and can't set up simple problems involving trigonometry. (Most can't write worth a damn either, but that's not a new development.)

But lack of a work ethic is not a problem I'm seeing here. Even at my previous employer, where I saw more of that, the most prevalent issue after educational background was lack of time to concentrate on studies, due to trying to work anywhere from one to two full time jobs in addition to a full class load.
 
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Maybe some of you need to elevate yourselves. Then the smart kids won't avoid you.
 
God help the future.....:redface::redface::rolleyes:

If the bright, articulate hard-working young people I know are responsible for it the future is indeed bright. If the people in this board are n charge heaven help us all.
 
The neighbors kid is a worker.

She grabbed a WalMart job to feed her horse. They scheduled her way too much during school, but she plowed through and leveraged the first job into a second, bucking hay bales at the hay guy's place and now gets an employee discount on her feed for the horse.

They're not all spoiled brats.
What job did she have to get the money to buy the horse in the first place?
 
I will instruct nearly 1000 young people this semester. Bring it on.

How many POA members? for a simple example, do you think that none of them are teachers or instructors?

maths is hard... especially for the arrogant.
 
Arrogant people do math just fine. The cognitively challenged may have some shortcomings though.

evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

Instructing 1000 students in a semester. Let's consider how much interaction you'll have with each and every one of those students.

A semester is about 15 weeks, give or take, yes?

Let's imagine you are in class or your office for 40 hours in the week (that's being a bit generous). So, that's about 36 minutes per student available for your claim that you "deal with more young people"

You must be one completely awesome insight person to be able to understand so much about someone in so little time.
 
I will instruct nearly 1000 young people this semester. Bring it on.

You mean you stand up in front and babble a little while, and call that interacting? Nothing like another pleas for a participation ribbon....

here you go.

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Here is some more ranting by grumpy old people about young workers... It's been going on for a long time... Nothing new... The youth of today will be complaining about the future youth too. ;)

"Never has youth been exposed to such dangers of both perversion and arrest as in our own land and day. Increasing urban life with its temptations, prematurities, sedentary occupations, and passive stimuli just when an active life is most needed, early emancipation and a lessening sense for both duty and discipline, the haste to know and do all befitting man's estate before its time, the mad rush for sudden wealth and the reckless fashions set by its gilded youth--all these lack some of the regulatives they still have in older lands with more conservative conditions."
---Psychologist and Educator Granville Stanley Hall, 1904



Or how about this rant about the youth spending too much time playing games?

"A pernicious excitement to learn and play chess has spread all over the country, and numerous clubs for practicing this game have been formed in cities and villages...chess is a mere amusement of a very inferior character, which robs the mind of valuable time that might be devoted to nobler acquirements, while it affords no benefit whatever to the body. Chess has acquired a high reputation as being a means to discipline the mind, but persons engaged in sedentary occupations should never practice this cheerless game; they require out-door exercises--not this sort of mental gladiatorship."

---July 1859, Scientific American


And I love this one...

Youth were never more sawcie, yea never more savagely saucie . . . the ancient are scorned, the honourable are contemned, the magistrate is not dreaded.
--Thomas Barnes, The Wise-Man's Forecast Against the Evil Time, 1624
 
You mean you stand up in front and babble a little while, and call that interacting? Nothing like another pleas for a participation ribbon....

You would babble nonsense, for that is all you know. I instruct them on the science of Genetics, and do my level best to make certain they have a basic grasp of the material before they leave my hands.

As far as how many I see face to face in a private setting, I cannot easily count. My office door has always been open to any of my students, and my office hours are usually held in a conference room or commons to hold all.
 
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And people wonder why GA is dying? This thread is case and point for it. An area dominated by the older generations, who do nothing but ***** about "them damn young people." Why on Earth would the young people want anything to do with you old codgers?
 
Here is some more ranting by grumpy old people about young workers... It's been going on for a long time... Nothing new... The youth of today will be complaining about the future youth too. ;)

"Never has youth been exposed to such dangers of both perversion and arrest as in our own land and day. Increasing urban life with its temptations, prematurities, sedentary occupations, and passive stimuli just when an active life is most needed, early emancipation and a lessening sense for both duty and discipline, the haste to know and do all befitting man's estate before its time, the mad rush for sudden wealth and the reckless fashions set by its gilded youth--all these lack some of the regulatives they still have in older lands with more conservative conditions."
---Psychologist and Educator Granville Stanley Hall, 1904



Or how about this rant about the youth spending too much time playing games?

"A pernicious excitement to learn and play chess has spread all over the country, and numerous clubs for practicing this game have been formed in cities and villages...chess is a mere amusement of a very inferior character, which robs the mind of valuable time that might be devoted to nobler acquirements, while it affords no benefit whatever to the body. Chess has acquired a high reputation as being a means to discipline the mind, but persons engaged in sedentary occupations should never practice this cheerless game; they require out-door exercises--not this sort of mental gladiatorship."

---July 1859, Scientific American


And I love this one...

Youth were never more sawcie, yea never more savagely saucie . . . the ancient are scorned, the honourable are contemned, the magistrate is not dreaded.
--Thomas Barnes, The Wise-Man's Forecast Against the Evil Time, 1624
Anyone who has read the Bard knows that youth have been jackasses for a very long time. lol

That said, when I can easily get entry level employees to pay their own way from Poland, Russia, China, and Mongolia -- but not Corpus Christi -- we have a serious problem.

This isn't a rant against "youth". This is a rant against spoiled, lazy American youth, who simply have no reason to work because we have made it unnecessary.
 
Here's the best advice I can give. It doesn't always work, but I have had many people come back years later and tell me they took my advice and it worked great.

Forget about applying to posted or advertised jobs. Of course, you can still do that, and even that works for some people some of the time. But it is largely an exercise in futility, unless there is a huge demand and little supply.

When a company advertises it may mean they are required to post for jobs whether they intend to hire from the applicants or not. It may also mean people are quitting with little notice and they are now desperate.

And they are going to be inundated with applicants.

When I advertise for a technician job, I get everything from manicurists to PHDs. I get to the point where I spend about 3 seconds looking for a typo or any other reason I can find to toss the resume.

Most of my best hires happened when someone with the qualifications I need walks in the door and introduces themselves. I often hire them whether I need them or not just so I don't have to weed through hundreds of resumes when I desperately need someone qualified.

So, identify the type of job you want and then identify the types of businesses that use people with your skills and go knock on doors. Networking is great if you know someone at a company where you would like to work, even if they aren't advertising. I can't say this enough, but the best jobs are not advertised. They don't need to advertise. When you apply for an advertised job you become a small digit in a huge numbers game.

Pick out a place you want to work, dress just a little nicer than what you would expect to wear if you did work there and go ahead and sell yourself.

DON'T JUST APPLY TO ADVERTISED JOBS AND SIT ON THE COUCH WAITING FOR A CALL THAT PROBABLY WON'T COME.

I suppose you could be right. He's just so darn entertaining to watch though! :D



I saw an airport job at Wiley Post here in OKC (~45k/yr) and applied for it, asked for 1-3 years experience, pilot preferred, etc which I met. Called back later and they told me they'd filled the position...and 250 other people had applied with me. I can't compete with that many people :dunno:

Applying for ones I qualify/close to qualify/have interest in is what I already do. Applying for ones that I'm not qualified for seems pushy. One of the pilots that comes through here says just throw your resume at everything you can because qualifications don't matter and if you're the only one to apply for the job that you'll get it.
 
Maybe it's payback for the boomer thread. ;)
I would never blanket-insult all millennials or X-ers like Boomers were insulted and maligned in that thread. There are people on both sides of the curve in all generations.
 
You would babble nonsense, for that is all you know. I instruct them on the science of Genetics, and do my level best to make certain they have a basic grasp of the material before they leave my hands.

As far as how many I see face to face in a private setting, I cannot easily count. My office door has always been open to any of my students, and my office hours are usually held in a conference room or commons to hold all.

What more could you want? I gave you your participation ribbon...
 
I live in Norman, OK (just south of OKC) and my degree is in Aeronautics from Embry-Riddle.

Although, even though I have a whole minor in Management, I wouldn't know where to start.

I think that my college education and hard work should get me into places other than Walgreens/Fast Food/Walmart. It took Pei Wei (asian place) 4 and a half months to turn my application down. No experience required position. If I even hear back from most places.

So, how has the career services gang at Riddle been helping you out with job placement? They've always boasted about some pretty strong numbers there to woo prospective students.

I would hope that a 96% placement rate with their Aeronautics degrees doesn't include fast food and waiting tables.

If you don't mind me asking, why did you pick Riddle over other degrees with a broader employers' appeal?

Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is committed to preparing students for success and maximizes their investment in their education and professional careers with a job placement rate of 96 percent and an alumni network of more than 100,000. Embry-Riddle Prescott has been listed in the top 1 percent of all private colleges for return on investment by Affordable Colleges Online.
http://prescott.erau.edu/admissions/estimated-costs/

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Veterans of Future Wars, so goes the legend, sprang full-blown from a tea party at Terrace Club in March 1936. The Founding Father was Lewis Jefferson Gorin, Jr. '36, of Louisville, a politics major then writing a senior thesis, appropriately enough, on Niccolo Machiavelli.


Gorin and the other tea drinkers -- Urban J. P. Rushton '36, Thomas Riggs, Jr. '37, Archibald Lewis '36, Robert G. Barnes '37, John C. Turner '36, Alexander Black, Jr. '36, and a young member of the history faculty, Lynn White, Jr. -- were disturbed by an act of Congress that had advanced by ten years -- from 1946 to 1936 -- the date at which the veterans of World War I would receive their long-sought and controversial soldiers' bonuses. This legislation, the consequence of intensive lobbying by the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars, struck the Princetonians as an intolerable raid upon the United States Treasury for the benefit of an organized minority.

The Veterans of Future Wars was created to satirize the bonus hunters. Their first manifesto in the Princetonian argued that sooner or later there would be another war and that it would only be an act of justice for Congress to grant a $1000 cash bonus to all men between the ages of 18 and 36. Legally the bonus would be payable in 1965, but since Congress seemed bent on paying bonuses before they were due, the actual payment date should be June 1936, with, of course, an additional 3 percent annual interest compounded back from 1965 to 1936. In this way the future veterans would receive their benefits while all were still alive to enjoy them. A national salute was adopted, a modified version of the then famous Fascist greeting: an arm held straight out in the direction of Washington, the palm turned up receptively.

The Press Club sent out stories, the wire services got interested, and all across the country newspapers ran articles on the Future Veterans. Overnight, local chapters mushroomed on college campuses; by June 1936 there were more than 500 chapters and a paid-up membership of over 50,000 students.

The Future Veterans were discussed -- and denounced -- in Congress, and they were vigorously criticized and condemned by the organized veterans movement. The Commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, James Van Zandt, called them ``insolent puppies'' who ought to be spanked. ``They'll never be veterans of a future war,'' he predicted, ``for they are too yellow to go to war.'' The Princetonians replied that since the Veterans of Future Wars was a genuinely patriotic organization, Van Zandt clearly must be a ``Red.''

Activity at other colleges took various forms, but most of what happened at Princeton headquarters was intended simply to laugh the bonus movement to death. This spirit was well summed up by the student who happily noted, as the memberships rolled in, ``Manifest Destiny has laid another golden egg.''

What made the Future Veterans an instant success was their rare appeal both to conservatives and to liberals. Conservatives saw the Princetonians as heaven-sent allies who would help them keep FDR from spending the country into bankruptcy. College liberals who were pacifist, anti-war, and anti-military saw in the movement an opportunity to satirize war itself. Still, more than a few liberals did suspect that the Princetonians were at heart merely conservatives who really didn't care about anything except the bonus issue. This, to a considerable extent, was right. At Princeton the emphasis was upon the joke, the satire, the bonus. But not always, and not exclusively. Dean Christian Gauss, who had originally lent only grudging support, sensed this when he wrote a critic of the Future Veterans that the movement ``was founded partly in a spirit of high jinks and partly in a spirit of protest against the glorification of war.'' Later on, Gauss mused that the Future Veterans ``might have consequences that no one can yet see and that it demonstrates the determination of youth to rebuild the disordered world of their fathers a little closer to sanity.''

The liberal, anti-war note was most evident at Princeton toward the end. In June 1936 the national headquarters adopted a resolution calling upon Congress to declare that the United States would not enter a foreign war except by majority vote of the residents of three-fourths of the States of the Union. In spirit and language this resolution paralleled the then pending Ludlow Amendment, which in 1937 barely failed of passage in the House of Representatives.

Future Veteran activity had peaked by the close of the academic year. After the summer vacation the treasury was bare, the joke was stale, and national attention was focused on the Roosevelt-Landon campaign. The Princetonians gamely issued a few proclamations and sent questionnaires to the presidential candidates about the bonus -- and also about conscription and wartime controls over capital. But it was clear that the last golden egg had been laid. Operations were suspended in the fall, and in April 1937, with the treasury showing a deficit of forty-four cents, the Veterans of Future Wars closed their books forever.

One last note. Except for one student who was hurt in an automobile accident, every one of the Princetonians who founded the Veterans of Future Wars served in the armed forces of the United States in World War II.
Richard D. Challener
 
And people wonder why GA is dying? This thread is case and point for it. An area dominated by the older generations, who do nothing but ***** about "them damn young people." Why on Earth would the young people want anything to do with you old codgers?

I've found that people are more than willing to help out a young person. My current employer hired me as a 207 driver, and since I was apparently doing a good job I got upgraded to a 208 and made an instructor pilot in the sled. I'm 20.
 
I have a younger workforce at my company. I have had three guys that started pretty young with me that had enough potential that could have literally had an significant ownership stake in the company by now. All of them have moved on and now have dead end jobs...not even careers...jobs.

Not one of them understood the concept of making yourself so valuable that the company can't afford to operate without you...and I don't mean sales. All were more concerned with what the company was gonna do for them and they were well taken care of.

I see this frequently.
 
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