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At an uncontrolled airfield, are there places you can't legally be on foot?

I once very early on walked into a space at a control field that got me yelled at for being in a "movement area". I didn't know and my CFI never mentioned what areas I could be on foot.

Hasn't come up since.

Today I was taking some photos of my plane and after looking at them, I got to thinking I may have been somewhere I shouldn't have. It is a non controlled field.

Here is a photo. Am I legally allowed to be standing where I am taking the photo?
If not, This is all greenscreen and super imposed but seriously, I am thinking maybe it is not legal to be there on foot.

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Legally?...no rules. It would be up to each airports individual rules and regulations.

I think my airport has a blurb about no pedestrians or vehicles on runways or taxi ways, but that is not from a federal or even enforceable citable code perspective. Worst they could do really is throw you off the property.
 
Ah, but the manager really thinks he is in charge of everyone and can make them follow his rules. Just ask him.
 
Pilawt said:
Some folks might get riled up if you walk through one of these red-bordered security areas where scheduled air carriers park ...

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Actually I stand corrected. At uncontrolled fields with passenger ops, there are indeed leagally “secure” areas that you can not be on foot

But for a Plane Jane GA airfield...don’t think so!

Now the queation...if you WALK onto a Signature Aviation ramp, can they charge you a ramp fee?
 
At commercial service airports the movement area is regulated the same as a controlled field. FAR Part 139 requires the airport to restrict access to only those necessary for operations and have received appropriate vehicle pedestrian training.
 
You need to look at the city ordinance for your particular airport. Airport manager should’ve given you a copy when you got your hangar. Anyway, mine specifies who can go on what areas on the airport and comm requirements for those areas. other rules such as commercial ops, parachute ops, model rocket ops, etc. are in it as well.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
At an uncontrolled airfield, are there places you can't legally be on foot?

I once very early on walked into a space at a control field that got me yelled at for being in a "movement area". I didn't know and my CFI never mentioned what areas I could be on foot.

Hasn't come up since.

Today I was taking some photos of my plane and after looking at them, I got to thinking I may have been somewhere I shouldn't have. It is a non controlled field.

Here is a photo. Am I legally allowed to be standing where I am taking the photo?
If not, This is all greenscreen and super imposed but seriously, I am thinking maybe it is not legal to be there on foot.

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Are you crazy ? The freakin airplane is across the hold line and yer posting pics. Doesn’t look like you were on foot, more like on a ladder. Is that a photo illusion? I don’t know much about photography. You didn’t take it with a Drone did you? From over the runway?:yikes:
 
If you are moving in any fashion, then isnt it a "movement" area?
If you were dancing a tango while taking the pic, I say you were legal.
 
I drive my car down the runway to check for deer, our crew gets bored and jogs down the taxiways, just use your brain and keep your head on a swivel and it’s no problem.

I swear, it’s like some people were potty trained at gun point :lol:
 
luvflyin said:
Are you crazy ? The freakin airplane is across the hold line and yer posting pics. Doesn’t look like you were on foot, more like on a ladder. Is that a photo illusion? I don’t know much about photography. You didn’t take it with a Drone did you? From over the runway?:yikes:
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Holding a camera up on a gimble.
 
luvflyin said:
Are you crazy ? The freakin airplane is across the hold line and yer posting pics. Doesn’t look like you were on foot, more like on a ladder. Is that a photo illusion? I don’t know much about photography. You didn’t take it with a Drone did you? From over the runway?:yikes:
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He said it was a green-screen photochop. *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*
:D
 
BigBadLou said:
He said it was a green-screen photochop. *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*
:D
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Here is a photo. Am I legally allowed to be standing where I am taking the photo?
If not, This is all greenscreen and super imposed but seriously, I am thinking maybe it is not legal to be there on foot.

It's to late. I already ratted him out. Hopefully he filed an ASRS;)
 
When I go into a new airport and don't know the layout, I wear my collar and tell them "I'm on a mission from God."
Only once has anyone made an issue of it, and in that case "rule boy" was wrong and ended up having to apologize.
 
Shepherd said:
When I go into a new airport and don't know the layout, I wear my collar and tell them "I'm on a mission from God."
Only once has anyone made an issue of it, and in that case "rule boy" was wrong and ended up having to apologize.
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You are the Sinister Minister.
 
charheep said:
If you are moving in any fashion, then isnt it a "movement" area?
If you were dancing a tango while taking the pic, I say you were legal.
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So I was sittin on my movement area at home and found out about the movement area rules at the Combs Airport in Kin tuck eee

 
FastEddieB said:
Let’s just say I know of a non-towered airport where people routinely walk their dogs up and down the runway.

I won’t say where.
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My home airport does that, well, mostly the taxiway anyway.
 
I parked my car near the hold line at my airport one night. I was explaining the lighting to Lisa (student pilot)

You'd have thought I shot someone.

Guy comes up and yells at me "That's an active runway!" I said I know and thank you.

We then drove back over to our hangar and while we were there the sheriff comes up and asks if it was me near the runway. I said yes, I was explaining the lighting to my girlfriend, who is studying for her pilot's exam.

What a ...
 
luvflyin said:
Are you crazy ? The freakin airplane is across the hold line and yer posting pics. Doesn’t look like you were on foot, more like on a ladder. Is that a photo illusion? I don’t know much about photography. You didn’t take it with a Drone did you? From over the runway?:yikes:
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So? Planes cross hold lines all the time. Otherwise we’d never be able to get onto a runway. It appears to me the photo was taken with a telephoto lens from several hundred yards away as the pilot was about to take off.


:D
 
Ravioli said:
I parked my car near the hold line at my airport one night. I was explaining the lighting to Lisa (student pilot)

You'd have thought I shot someone.

Guy comes up and yells at me "That's an active runway!" I said I know and thank you.

We then drove back over to our hangar and while we were there the sheriff comes up and asks if it was me near the runway. I said yes, I was explaining the lighting to my girlfriend, who is studying for her pilot's exam.

What a ...
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I can here it back at the Station. You ain’t gonna believe this one. Dude was hittin on this Chick and drives her out to the Airport to show her the lights
 
luvflyin said:
I can here it back at the Station. You ain’t gonna believe this one. Dude was hittin on this Chick and drives her out to the Airport to show her the lights
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Yah... hittin' on the chick [that I had been living with for 2.5 years].

I'm 52, not 16. And she's... well to be polite... my age. :)
 
Well, you know my airport isn' exactly typical, but we drive on it, fly RC aircraft on it, my hangar neighbor rides his bike and walks on it for excercise, i've ridden my atv on it, etc. I s'pose it's all about your local airport rules. We don't really have any. Yours may.
 
Sometimes people even put their boats on my runways!! Oh the huge manatees!!
 
Ravioli said:
I parked my car near the hold line at my airport one night. I was explaining the lighting to Lisa (student pilot)

You'd have thought I shot someone.

Guy comes up and yells at me "That's an active runway!" I said I know and thank you.

We then drove back over to our hangar and while we were there the sheriff comes up and asks if it was me near the runway. I said yes, I was explaining the lighting to my girlfriend, who is studying for her pilot's exam.

What a ...
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When I hit that lesson I'd walk them out to the runway and show them what it actually looked like. I'd also take a handheld with me and let them practice keying up the lights at the different levels.

That was always 1000x more effective then showing them crappy pictures or drawing on the board.
 
Shawn said:
Actually I stand corrected. At uncontrolled fields with passenger ops, there are indeed leagally “secure” areas that you can not be on foot
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ONLY when there's a plane parked inside of it. At least that's the way it was at KCGI. If there was no Cape Air plane parked in the red box, you could walk, drive or taxi thru it at will. I never did, there was no reason to.

And at CGI the TSA didn't own that box, they owned the security line only. Cape Air owned the box.

There's a thread here somewhere of a run-in I had with TSA when they accused me of walking thru the box (when I hadn't) and I told them to f*** off. I told them that they don't own the box, there was no plane in the box and, besides, I didn't walk thru their precious f***ing box. I walked around it.
 
timwinters said:
ONLY when there's a plane parked inside of it. At least that's the way it was at KCGI. If there was no Cape Air plane parked in the red box, you could walk, drive or taxi thru it at will. I never did, there was no reason to.

And at CGI the TSA didn't own that box, they owned the security line only. Cape Air owned the box.

There's a thread here somewhere of a run-in I had with TSA when they accused me of walking thru the box (when I hadn't) and I told them to f*** off. I told them that they don't own the box, there was no plane in the box and, besides, I didn't walk thru their precious f***ing box. I walked around it.
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Hmm. TSA owns the line. Cape Air owns the box. Now someone owns the airport. So Cape Air and the Airport owner could get together and tell the TSA dude, "get on the line Mutha f***** and don't move."
 
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