Private checkride went horribly wrong!

Seems pretty clear here that the banned have returned - and are sitting in a different Starbucks or using a throwaway phone . . .

how hard is it to defeat an IP address check anyway?
 
comanchepilot said:
Seems pretty clear here that the banned have returned - and are sitting in a different Starbucks or using a throwaway phone . . .

how hard is it to defeat an IP address check anyway?
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You can't fix stupid, nor can you defeat it, that's why our species is devolving.
 
I think they make you do it the "manual way" so you fully understand the process, and can prove it.
 
comanchepilot said:
Seems pretty clear here that the banned have returned - and are sitting in a different Starbucks or using a throwaway phone . . .

how hard is it to defeat an IP address check anyway?
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I vehemently deny it!!!!! :no:

I'm at work, not at Starbucks. Think I hang out at Starbucks all day? How would I be able to support my lavish lifestyle?
 
saracelica said:
So your GPS with WAAS craps out and you get vectors I'm sorry what sort of altitude should you fly to and what is your missed approach and what is your DH? All things I find on my piece of paper. :)
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I'm VFR. What's a missed approach, DH? Irrelevant to me. But... if I need such obscure pieces of information, it is all in my iPad, the whole country cached.

I'm not against charts I'm against paper. Big difference.
 
Henning said:
You can't fix stupid, nor can you defeat it, that's why our species is devolving.
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Well, Henning, that is a little harsh. The tireless folks who maintain and support this website don't need that level of criticism from you!

:no:
 
Sorry "Dr" I thought you were IR. Well in that case I hope when you lose your iPad charge/signal and your other *toys* that the airspace isn't that busy and ATC can help you as you typed it. I'd suggest you have paper in your possession...even if it isn't the most current so you can do pilotage or triangulate your possession. Loss of GPS and what not is NOT an emergency in VMC.
 
quovadis said:
I'm VFR. What's a missed approach, DH? Irrelevant to me. But... if I need such obscure pieces of information, it is all in my iPad, the whole country cached.

I'm not against charts I'm against paper. Big difference.
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If you're VFR and demand a vector, expect to hear, "unable". BTW, how will you locate your position on the e-chart chart without GPS?
 
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saracelica said:
Not according to your scenerio you posed. If you have the iPad then you don't need ATC.
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Thank you, apology accepted, and the assumption is that GPS is out (the Chinese blew up a satellite or perhaps there is a coronal mass ejection that is causing some temporary grief), in which case the GPS on the iPad is not working either. The assumption also is that I have not been paying attention to my situational awareness, because I've been too busy confabulating with my attractive passenger in the right seat for example. So I don't actually know where I am. Therefore need to contact ATC and demand a vector.

ATC are required to provide the vector. They cannot say unable... Too much legal liability if I then go and crash into a schoolbus trying to land on the highway...
 
quovadis said:
Thank you, apology accepted, and the assumption is that GPS is out (the Chinese blew up a satellite or perhaps there is a coronal mass ejection that is causing some temporary grief), in which case the GPS on the iPad is not working either. The assumption also is that I have not been paying attention to my situational awareness, because I've been too busy confabulating with my attractive passenger in the right seat for example. So I don't actually know where I am. Therefore need to contact ATC and demand a vector.

ATC are required to provide the vector. They cannot say unable... Too much legal liability if I then go and crash into a schoolbus trying to land on the highway...
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Don't kid yourself, they say unable, radar services for VFR traffic are on a time available basis, if you're as much of an ******* in real life as you are here, they won't have time for you. They hold no liability for the schoolyard of children, that liability falls on you.
 
Did you learn "Pilotage" or "Dead reckoning" during PPL training? Or VOR triangulation? Again I"m not endorsing expired charts but for VFR pilots I'd recommend it for you Dr.
 
Henning said:
Don't kid yourself, they say unable, radar services for VFR traffic are on a time available basis
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I didn't ask for radar services, just a single vector. Three seconds out of his time. I'm in the middle of nowhere, he is not busy.


Henning said:
if you're as much of an bunghole in real life as you are here
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:hairraise:

I thought we were friends!

Henning said:
They hold no liability for the schoolyard of children, that liability falls on you.
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There will be a nice lawsuit. Bob, the controller, will be on the witness stand explaining to the nice lawyer representing 30 dead children why he couldn't take out three seconds to give the assertive man with robust speech from Texas a vector...

Those poor children. :sad: Murdered by Bob!
 
You crash the plane because you were lost? Please enlighten me the connection!

As a VFR pilot try looking out the window for an airport or field.

Wow we're really off topic! I think "Dr" is the same as pflemming but I"m having fun.
 
quovadis said:
I didn't ask for radar services, just a single vector. Three seconds out of his time. I'm in the middle of nowhere, he is not busy.
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However, since you have no clue where you are, how does said controller figure out who you are without radar services?
quovadis said:
There will be a nice lawsuit. Bob, the controller, will be on the witness stand explaining to the nice lawyer representing 30 dead children why he couldn't take out three seconds to give the assertive man with robust speech from Texas a vector...

Those poor children. :sad: Murdered by Bob!
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Bob's lawyer: Your honour, move to dismiss this suit as not authorized under the Federal Tort Claims Act, and the United States declines to waive sovreign immunity."

Judge: Case dismissed
 
So real question for doctor saint peter...

I fly with a kneeboard and a pencil.
I scribble taxi instructions that are lengthy, I jot down sqwak codes, etc.
Many times I have been inbound for Alliance and they tell me approved for 16L I repeat it and just like meeting someone new at a party, I forget it right away. So I have learned to jot stuff down.

Do you not use paper for that? I am only 100 hours in the flying game so maybe over time, I will be better at remembering things while I am busy configuring the plane, etc.
 
saracelica said:
You crash the plane because you were lost? Please enlighten me the connection!

As a VFR pilot try looking out the window for an airport or field.
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I'm lost! Don't know where I am! Fuel is low! ATC is refusing to help me! Oh, there's a road down there. Look, there is even a nice yellow dot to aim for. Let me land there now...



saracelica said:
You crash the plane because you were lost?
Wow we're really off topic! I think "Dr" is the same as pflemming but I"m having fun.
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Negative!
 
quovadis said:
I didn't ask for radar services, just a single vector. Three seconds out of his time. I'm in the middle of nowhere, he is not busy.




:hairraise:

I thought we were friends!



There will be a nice lawsuit. Bob, the controller, will be on the witness stand explaining to the nice lawyer representing 30 dead children why he couldn't take out three seconds to give the assertive man with robust speech from Texas a vector...

Those poor children. :sad: Murdered by Bob!
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Please explain how you sue the government. Vectors ARE radar services.
 
Fuel low and lost and no GPS man you're not having a very good day are you. I like how you keep adding new information into your scenerio.
 
JeffDG said:
However, since you have no clue where you are, how does said controller figure out who you are without radar services?

Bob's lawyer: Your honour, move to dismiss this suit as not authorized under the Federal Tort Claims Act, and the United States declines to waive sovreign immunity."

Judge: Case dismissed
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...Appealed shorly thereafter to the Supreme Court.

St Peter vs The US Government...

Who do you think will win?

Imagine all the newspapers... Pages of beautiful children, pictures of stuffed animals on their graves, details of Bob's sordid lifestyle and rampant disregard for human life...

I tear up just thinking about it, and all that money those lawyers will be making!
 
quovadis said:
My tip is: Don't take any **** from the DPE. If he is wrong, tell him he is wrong. Then if he tells you there is a camel on the runway and that you need to go around, tell him he must be hallicinating there is no camel on the runway, and there are no camels in texas anyway! And so "No I won't go around, there is a perfectly good runway in front of me". Remember, you are PIC and he is just an old loser fool who is trying to defend an indefensible 1940's era of the way flying used to be.

If he attempts to wrestle the control from you, by all means slap him. You are PIC. Do not stand for that.

You will be fine.
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Nope, I didn't read every post after the first 10 pages. But the more of Pete's posts I read, the more I liked him. This one is the best. Pete, you ARE the PIC! :lol: Thar ain't no God damned camels in Texas! Slap that mofo mutineer!

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Now time for my rebuttal...

First of all, let's assume that an iPad has a reliability of 95%, and an iPhone also of 95%. I believe both are higher than that. Let's also assume that the built in IFR rated GPS with WAAS capabilities has a reliability of 99%. What is the probability that all three will disappear in a puff of smoke, permanently (not talking about a temporary loss of signal or crash)? Yes, indeed, it is 0.0025%. A rather small number, a number I would say is significantly less than the probability that your engine will stop turning or even, for some of you old codgers buzzing around up there, better odds than your tickers continuing for the duration of the flight.

But let's assume all three die. It is a very unpleasant day. Luckily we have something called a radio. And if it is not a complete pile of junk that you're flying, you may even have two radios! Wonderful!

You: Um, ATC dude, 6PC here

(Try to sound old and use a hick accent if you can, Texan always works well. If you sound old and senile, they will cut you some slack).

ATC Dude: 6PC, go ahead.

You: Er, my iPhone died on me and I demand a vector to the nearest airport

(Remember he works for you, he is your own personal *****, even though the MFers in Washington aren't paying him right now)

ATC Dude: 6PC, squawk XXXX and ident.
You: Okey dokey

ATC Dude: 6PC, radar contact XX miles NW of YY VOR, nearest airport is KABC 20 miles at a heading of 240.

See how easy that is? No paper required.

Some of you probably needed blankey's as kids. I understand, this is your blankey. You probably also didn't get enough time at your Mama's teat. I heard you can get a large rubber teat that you can hang up on one side and comfort yourself occasionally.

Try to wean yourself off paper. You will survive, I promise.

It will be alright.
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Sound wisdom from a comical sage. It's hard for me to argue against it since I have so very few hours (not even soloed yet,) but I'll still learn to use papyrus charts and all the other old stuff, if for no other reason bisides the fact that I will probably want that skill sometime. There are plenty of antiquated technologies that I may still want to use at some point. I mean, what if I were to get into a car that had a floor button for the high beams, or found myself holding the reciever for a rotary dial phone, or I needed to mail a letter and I only had stamps that weren't self adhisive? I sense confusion. Let me pause and answer your question; It's like an email written on papyrus that gets carried by hand to the recipient.

It amazes me how some people let their underwear get so tightly wadded. It must simply be the seriousness with which people take their flying, which is to be commended. My father was a 10,000+ hour pilot in the military before embarking on his airline career. He was well respected for his great seriousness and focus in aviation, but also well loved for his great sense of humor. I think he would be repulsed and humored by the antics of the great St. Peter. Troll or not, I've enjoyed this thread. Thank you Pete. Since I've not read every post I may have missed it, but have you retaken your check ride yet?
 
saracelica said:
Fuel low and lost and no GPS man you're not having a very good day are you. I like how you keep adding new information into your scenerio.
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Well, he added a 44709 ride to the scenario as well by declaring an emergency of his own making.
 
Hobo Dojoe - pflemming ended up claiming he was really IR. So he didn't do another checkride since this beginning of this posting. Taking that into account is why I posted an IR scenerio since pflemming and "Dr" appear to be quite the same.

734 more posts to go!
 
saracelica said:
Hobo Dojoe - pflemming ended up claiming he was really IR. So he didn't do another checkride since this beginning of this posting. Taking that into account is why I posted an IR scenerio since pflemming and "Dr" appear to be quite the same.

734 more posts to go!
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Actually it looks more like St Pete Phd scizophrenic managed to get through the oral on a retest only to ding the plane on the flight portion.
 
JeffDG said:
OK, lawyer's now the Solicitor General...exact same result.
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Well, somebody is going to get sued DAMMIT! 30 dead children!! Somebody is gonna pay! And ultimately it is BOB'S FAULT!!! Obama will have to apologize to the families for sure, because Bob couldn't take out three seconds to give a vector.
 
Henning said:
Actually it looks more like St Pete Phd scizophrenic managed to get through the oral on a retest only to ding the plane on the flight portion.
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Technically it was the DPE who dinged the plane, and he is going to pay too. Luckily the insurance company is fighting that. When he grabbed the controls he became PIC and became liable even if getting slapped threw his landing off a bit.
 
quovadis said:
Well, somebody is going to get sued DAMMIT! 30 dead children!! Somebody is gonna pay! And ultimately it is BOB'S FAULT!!! Obama will have to apologize to the families for sure, because Bob couldn't take out three seconds to give a vector.
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True, somebody will get sued, Pilot in Command will get sued. 30 children will be dead because he failed.
 
quovadis said:
Technically it was the DPE who dinged the plane, and he is going to pay too. Luckily the insurance company is fighting that. When he grabbed the controls he became PIC and became liable even if getting slapped threw his landing off a bit.
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St Pete may as well buy a plane, because he will never have a certificate under that story.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
So real question for doctor saint peter...

I fly with a kneeboard and a pencil.
I scribble taxi instructions that are lengthy, I jot down sqwak codes, etc.
Many times I have been inbound for Alliance and they tell me approved for 16L I repeat it and just like meeting someone new at a party, I forget it right away. So I have learned to jot stuff down.

Do you not use paper for that? I am only 100 hours in the flying game so maybe over time, I will be better at remembering things while I am busy configuring the plane, etc.
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A small scrap of paper is appropriate in those circumstances... But really you need to work on that short term memory of yours.

When is your checkride?
 
To the foreigners reading PoA - welcome to America where anyone can sue anyone for anything.

DPE has no responsibility in you killing the 30 kids. You theoretically performed to the standards and that is his responsibilty. You are in charge of the plane so be in charge of it.
 
saracelica said:
To the foreigners reading PoA - welcome to America where anyone can sue anyone for anything.

DPE has no responsibility in you killing the 30 kids. You theoretically performed to the standards and that is his responsibilty. You are in charge of the plane so be in charge of it.
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No no, that's a different subject/story, in this one Pete assaulted the DPE during the check ride.
 
saracelica said:
To the foreigners reading PoA - welcome to America where anyone can sue anyone for anything.
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Welcome to America indeed... It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, it matters how well you can convince a group of 12 dimwits who couldn't come up with a proper excuse to get out of jury duty... And splash the story all over the newspapers too, to help your case (and funny how the jurors suddenly "don't know anything about it").

Our story will be powerful and emotional. Big bad government refuses service to a lost student pilot, who then careens into a schoolbus.

:sad::sad::sad:
 
so now your a student pilot with low fuel. Is this "As the story turns"?
 
quovadis said:
Pete slapped a passenger who was attempting to hijack his plane! Don't distort what happened.

:eek:
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Once the DPE needs to take control of the airplane, you have by the given laws failed the check ride and become passenger. When you interfere with them, you have interfered with flight crew performing their duties, that's a federal felony, if you struck him, that's battery, could be a misdemeanor or felony in state court. Either way, if the story were true, you would never hold a medical again and will never attain an airman's certificate. If it weren't for the government shutdown, the US Marshals would have already revoked your medical physically. If any of this BS you keep going on about we're true.
 
Henning said:
Then call the number you are given and go for a 44709 ride.:D
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Yeah but Sybil was the PIC not Dr. Pete. We can't locate Sybil, she took off after landing at the nearest airport via radar vectors:D

Or was that Marcia:dunno:

"Marcia: dresses in funeral attire and constantly has suicidal thoughts and attempts suicide. Supposedly tried to kill Sybil in the Harlem hotel but was stopped by Vicky. She thinks the end of the world is coming, but what she really fears is the end of Sybil."
 
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quovadis said:
A small scrap of paper is appropriate in those circumstances... But really you need to work on that short term memory of yours.

When is your checkride?
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Tomorrow but weather looks like it will push it out a day or two.
 
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