PP Lands King Air when pilot dies

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Re: Pilot dies in flight, pax lands plane

:hairraise: Wow. The passengers are lucky. It says the right seater had some single engine experience but a King Air is not exactly a 172. Kudos to those controllers!
 
Yahoo front page has a pic of a Citation with the story right now. Regardless, a King Air and and a small single engine are def. not the same. Kudos to to the passenger and all who helped to land safely!
 
A twin is just like two single engine planes, so it was nothing, right?

Right?

:D
 
A twin is just like two single engine planes, so it was nothing, right?

Right?

:D

I could be way off, but I don't see how it's a major challenge for an experienced PP-SEL, especially when you have someone talking you down. It would be good to have a nice long runway so you can land hot and not get into the minimal SE V range. I guess the sight picture at touchdown would be a little different. :wink2:

I'd just have to remember to lower the gear. :D
 
I feel confident that any decent PP-ASEL pilot could land a King Air even without help from the ground. It might not be textbook, but they'd all walk away.
 
I'd be more worried with finding and orienting to the airport with no help from the unfamiliar navaids. I know they'd give you a vector. I'd ask for airport runway and elevation info and advise that I'd want to circle a few times to get oriented.
 
I'd be more worried with finding and orienting to the airport with no help from the unfamiliar navaids. I know they'd give you a vector. I'd ask for airport runway and elevation info and advise that I'd want to circle a few times to get oriented.

I'd want the V-Speeds and a vector onto the ILS...Don't know I'd circle with a guy who'd had a heart-attack sitting next to me. Maybe take it off autopilot enroute to the ILS to get a feel for the bird, then let Otto fly it down to 200' AGL on the glideslope.
 
Re: Land a KingAir on first try ?

Come to think of it 12000 X 150 covers a lot of float
 
Re: Land a KingAir on first try ?

Sure you land it on the first try.

As I've told myself more than once when landing at night, you only gotta land once.
 
Yahoo front page has a pic of a Citation with the story right now. Regardless, a King Air and and a small single engine are def. not the same. Kudos to to the passenger and all who helped to land safely!

Welcome to PoA, Heather! Another PoAer from the great state of Wisconsin!
 
I'd want the V-Speeds and a vector onto the ILS...Don't know I'd circle with a guy who'd had a heart-attack sitting next to me. Maybe take it off autopilot enroute to the ILS to get a feel for the bird, then let Otto fly it down to 200' AGL on the glideslope.

Heh. Sure. If I had an auto-pilot and an IR. :wink:

I can see the lawsuit now: The King Air pilot's next of kin sue you for screwing around in the air saving all of the passengers while the pilot was dying. :dunno:

I love such suits. Just had the fire department scandal where they missed the fire victim's body. His relatives found it days later. So they'll now claim the FD could have saved him.
 
Re: Land a KingAir on first try ?

Come to think of it 12000 X 150 covers a lot of float

The King Air is pretty much a very simple airplane to fly. On landing once the throttles are brought back to flight idle the blades go flat and slow the plane down rapidly. The only way to get that plane to "float" down the runway is have the throttles up above the flight idle detent.
 
Re: Land a KingAir on first try ?

The King Air is pretty much a very simple airplane to fly. On landing once the throttles are brought back to flight idle the blades go flat and slow the plane down rapidly. The only way to get that plane to "float" down the runway is have the throttles up above the flight idle detent.

That's very true. While I haven't flown the King Air, I have a little over 1000 hours in its fat cousin, and I understand they're very similar. It's a very stable, very good handling design, with nice landing characteristics. In fact, you really don't have to do much at all, if you don't want. At the 50' call out, power to idle; 10' call out, hold aft trim. That's it. Make sure it's on the centerline, and you don't have to do anything else. It won't be a greaser, but it will be a respectable landing. The Beech auto-land.
 
Second set of gages from the top are torques, controlled by power levers on the far left. Point the needles straight down and don't touch them again until you land.
 
Wow, the AOPA recording (LiveATC I suspect) is pretty chilling to listen too. Talked his way through pretty smoothly, BZ to all the controllers and the help in which he recieved.

Handled it really well,...
 
That is a great listen... "I've got a dead pilot next to me".... guy did a great job.
 
Complet cockpit recording can be found below. Most of what we have heard is just the final Ft. Myers tape but he flew for 20 minutes or so with Miami Center first. You can hear the pilot's last transmission before he goes unconcious right at the beginning of this tape. He hand flew this King Air for about 45 minutes above the cloud layer and then 15 miles out over the Gulf before turning inbound for landing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhMom-YHgoU
 
Re: Pilot dies in flight, pax lands plane

Made the Readers Digest.

Most of it was interesting, but of course:

Doug White was a licensed pilot, but just barely. In 1990, he'd logged enough hours to pass his test in a Cessna 172, a tiny single-engine plane designed for beginners. He'd soloed only once, then abandoned the hobby.
:rolleyes2:
 
I landed a KingAir twice- On our way back from dropping off some business passengers in Canada, the KingAir pilot invited me to trade places with him, and hold it straight and level (guess he thought I needed the practice worse than the autopilot did), then he went to the back to update his approach plates. This was a zillion years ago, and all my time up to that point was in a 150 and a 172, and I was still several hours away from the IR checkride. An hour or so later, he reappeared as we approached our stateside destination. He talked me down the glide slope, and refused to let me swing the yoke over to him- he said, "I ain't got no brakes over here. It's all yours." The landing was smooth enough that he let me take off again after Customs got done with us, and fly it all the way home from there. So, I suppose I'm living proof that any idiot private pilot can, with enough verbal instruction, land a KingAir, and even be able to use the airplane again. We don't want these stories to get out, though. If people thought any ordinary mortal could fly complicated airplanes, nobody would ever invite us to their parties again, would they?
 
I landed a KingAir twice- On our way back from dropping off some business passengers in Canada, the KingAir pilot invited me to trade places with him, and hold it straight and level (guess he thought I needed the practice worse than the autopilot did), then he went to the back to update his approach plates. This was a zillion years ago, and all my time up to that point was in a 150 and a 172, and I was still several hours away from the IR checkride. An hour or so later, he reappeared as we approached our stateside destination. He talked me down the glide slope, and refused to let me swing the yoke over to him- he said, "I ain't got no brakes over here. It's all yours." The landing was smooth enough that he let me take off again after Customs got done with us, and fly it all the way home from there. So, I suppose I'm living proof that any idiot private pilot can, with enough verbal instruction, land a KingAir, and even be able to use the airplane again. We don't want these stories to get out, though. If people thought any ordinary mortal could fly complicated airplanes, nobody would ever invite us to their parties again, would they?

There's quite a difference between landing an unfamiliar airplane with a competent pilot/instructor sitting beside and coaching you vs a dead body in the left seat with the coaching coming from someone on the ground who can't see the airplane's' panel or the view out the windshield.
 
There's quite a difference between landing an unfamiliar airplane with a competent pilot/instructor sitting beside and coaching you vs a dead body in the left seat with the coaching coming from someone on the ground who can't see the airplane's' panel or the view out the windshield.

Not to mention with the added stress of your family being in back.
 
One year later NPR featured a segment about this in yesterday's Weekend Edition Sunday. You can listen to several minutes of ATC tape excerpts.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124980720
The NPR feature was to commemorate the ARCHIE award given to the controllers who assisted in this effort. http://www.natca.org/newsletter/archiewinners_011509.msp


Washington Post said:
Grimm, Norton and other air-traffic controllers guided White to safety on April 12, 2009, when the pilot of his plane died during a flight. Grimm, based at the Federal Aviation Administration's Miami center, and Norton, who was in Fort Myers, are among the controllers that the National Air Traffic Controllers Association planned to honor Monday night in Orlando at its sixth annual awards banquet. [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/22/AR2010032203512.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/22/AR2010032203512.html[/URL]

Let me add my thanks and congratulations to those trustworthy angels who watch us while we are in the sky.
 
I apologize for being overly facetious about how easy it is to fly a KingAir. Yes, it must have been terribly traumatic and frightening for all concerned. I'd hate to have to fly ANY airplane, even one I knew very well, with somebody unconscious or dead slumped over the other controls.
 
Sounds like the guy did a super job to me, it would be fun to do...but not with a dead pilot strapped in next to me.
 
It's always been one of my fantasies...I mean, excluding the death of another person, but to be called upon to land something like that...
 
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