POTUS TFR violated

We'd have to be careful that the TFR isn't a traveling one and we get scooshed by it.
 
So what you want to do is set the world record for the most aircraft at one time flying the same 30 nm DME arc.

Sounds like a legitimate venture to me.
 
RMCN172RG said:
Not on purpose :cornut:
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Not much of a civil protest if you follow the rules. Staying outside of the 30NM ring would bring a huge "SO WHAT" from the powers that be. Going in and challenging the validity of the TFR is what will get you coverage, notice and action. It may not be, at first, the action you want, but it gets the system moving so that you can fight the issue in the courts.
 
Are we trying to directly challenge the rule, or get media attention that can build support from the citizenry?

If it's the latter, managing the message is going to be important.
 
Trapper John said:
Are we trying to directly challenge the rule, or get media attention that can build support from the citizenry?

If it's the latter, managing the message is going to be important.
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Then what really needs to happen is we get a mass of volunteers to blockade all inbound roads exactly under the TFR. If the planes can't get into the airspace then cars, trucks and busses shouldn't be allowed into the groundspace. That would draw more media attention, and we aren't using our "scary planes" to do it. Although, to be consistant, you only let the Ryder trucks through, all the cars have to stay away.
 
I dunno. Al Sharpton has orchestrated a number of traffic blockades to call attention to his cause(s), but I don't think they really generated much mainstream support, just a lot of P.O.'d motorists...
 
A giant formation flight spelling out "we love the USA" in airplanes ought to do it.
 
Trapper John said:
I dunno. Al Sharpton has orchestrated a number of traffic blockades to call attention to his cause(s), but I don't think they really generated much mainstream support, just a lot of P.O.'d motorists...
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We would cause more of a problem than Sharpton. Psus, who listens to him anymore anyway. He calls wolf way too much.
 
steingar said:
The day it becomes too much for you just let me know. I'll happily do all that stuff if I get to do it in a fire-breathing military fighter jet.
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Yeah yeah, I know. Tough life, etc, etc.

This reminds me of the people we talk to at airshows: "How could you EVER have a bad day flying this? I would love everyday if I could fly this for a living."

I thought that too. But after you do something long enough, it becomes work. What we always say is "Yeah, but somewhere I bet there's a porn star that doesn't want to go to work tomorrow..."

Besides, I GUARANTEE that you would hate scrambling to intercept someone in their 172 as well. If it were real bad guys, that'd be a different story!
 
EvilEagle said:
This reminds me of the people we talk to at airshows: "How could you EVER have a bad day flying this? I would love everyday if I could fly this for a living."

I thought that too. But after you do something long enough, it becomes work.
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I hear ya. I flew in the USAF as crew. It becomes work pretty quick. Our missions were long. Up at 0400 for a 0500 flight briefing, safety review, intel brief, maintenance brief. Out to the airplane by 0630 for systems checks and wheels up at 0700. 4-6 hours to target, refuel, orbit, refuel, orbit, fly home land at 1800 to 2000, intel debrief, maintenance debrief, flight debrief, crew rest (beer call), rinse repeat.

Anything that is a job can be made unfun.
 
EvilEagle said:
Yeah yeah, I know. Tough life, etc, etc.

This reminds me of the people we talk to at airshows: "How could you EVER have a bad day flying this? I would love everyday if I could fly this for a living."

I thought that too. But after you do something long enough, it becomes work. What we always say is "Yeah, but somewhere I bet there's a porn star that doesn't want to go to work tomorrow..."

Besides, I GUARANTEE that you would hate scrambling to intercept someone in their 172 as well. If it were real bad guys, that'd be a different story!
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Just to let you know, I am now using the world's smallest violin just to play a sad, sad song just for you.
 
steingar said:
Just to let you know, I am now using the world's smallest violin just to play a sad, sad song just for you.
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Noted. Like I said before, I know - tough life.

Just so you know, one more person telling me how they just KNOW that everyday of flying jets would be great - doesn't change a thing. :rolleyes2:
 
DeeKayC said:
And remind me why POTUS was in Vegas... Oh yes, for a FUNDRAISER !!!!
That is a very good reason to restrict everybody's travel arrangements. It probably would have been cheaper to give Harry Reid the money and for Obama to stay at home.
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Amen.
 
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
"NORAD scrambles jets to patrol Obama's no-fly zone in Las Vegas"

But it's not even close to being a "no-fly" zone. The big iron with enough mass and fuel to take out even the biggest building in the city continue to fly in and out all day long.

It's just the little stuff with the capability to break windows that is excluded.

Have we forgotten January 5, 2002????

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Amen.
 
EvilEagle said:
Noted. Like I said before, I know - tough life.

Just so you know, one more person telling me how they just KNOW that everyday of flying jets would be great - doesn't change a thing. :rolleyes2:
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My uncle once described for me the mountain of paperwork that he created flying an L-1011 across the Atlantic. That seemed an awful lot like the work I do in a cubicle, except that he was away from home for half the month. (He also flew 15s before retiring from the AF)

I've met several people who quit their day jobs to turn their hobby into their job, and it sucked all the fun out of it like Chupacabra on a goat.

I struggle to get 5 hours of flying a month, so being able to do it full time seems like it would be great. But, I can also see how doing it 80+ hours a month could get to be a chore.
 
I know I'm probably coming across as the spoiled kid here, but we get that a lot. I guess it's just been a rough year. The job is awesome, the flying is usually great and the training has been amazing. Having said all that, sometimes it sucks to high hell... :mad2:
 
Definitely coming off as a spoiled kid. No way around that. Thank you for your service, though.
 
EvilEagle said:
I know I'm probably coming across as the spoiled kid here, but we get that a lot. I guess it's just been a rough year. The job is awesome, the flying is usually great and the training has been amazing. Having said all that, sometimes it sucks to high hell... :mad2:
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No worries.

How about if you ever intercept me, let me know and I will throttle back to less than 40 mph to make it easy for you...:ihih:
 
EvilEagle said:
I know I'm probably coming across as the spoiled kid here, but we get that a lot. I guess it's just been a rough year. The job is awesome, the flying is usually great and the training has been amazing. Having said all that, sometimes it sucks to high hell... :mad2:
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My uncle nearly made it to full-bird Col, but quit flying 15s when the politics/work involved started to counter the fun.
 
ScottM said:
How about this analogy?

it sucked all the fun out of it like Edward on Bella. :D:D
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I'm going to claim I don't know what you are talking about.
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Though, my wife did drag me to the theater to see a lame, schmaltzy romance movie that tried to be cool by having vampires and werewolves.
 
flyersfan31 said:
Well I'll be. I guess I'm just not up on my Latin American folk legends.

I missed that Edward on Bella thing too. I'm guessing from the follow up it is one of those vampire stories. Not being a teenaged girl, I'm not really up on that stuff.
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This explains it all

 
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