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Pre-takeoff checklist
Sooo, I just finished watching this documentary on Netflix. Can it REALLY be this bad?!?!
Sooo, I just finished watching this documentary on Netflix. Can it REALLY be this bad?!?!
I agree- the most dangerous gaps are still there, and putting so much effort and money into treating crews and pax like dangerous criminals being transported just diverts attention away from that.Haven't seen the whole documentary but...
In spite of the billions of dollars spent, in spite of all the stuff that TSA puts people through, in spite of all of the rules, scanners, and procedures, passanger pat downs, lists of banned items, there is no real security at the major airports.
If there was real security, baggage handlers couldn't be running drug smuggling rings by loading suitcases full of drugs on passenger aircraft.
If there was real security, a teen couldn't sneak into a wheel wheel and end up having his body dumped in a middle of a subdivision when the gear comes down.
If there was real security, an aircraft cleaner couldn't bring his girlfriend into work to "show her an airplane".
If people have no trouble doing the above (and some, clearly, aren't the sharpest tools in the shed), then a "bad person" would have no trouble doing whatever they wish to do.
The system has holes big enough to drive a catering truck through.
A theory popped into my head...
Perhaps the TSA was created to make people feel safe when flying, so the industry didn't implode post 9/11?
And, how does one think it was created so quickly? Almost seems like it was already created and waiting to be implemented when the right disaster came along... I think the motives go way beyond saving such industry.
A theory popped into my head...
Perhaps the TSA was created to make people feel safe when flying, so the industry didn't implode post 9/11?
No expense is too great when it comes to providing the illusion of security.
No expense is too great when it comes to providing the illusion of security.
And, how does one think it was created so quickly? Almost seems like it was already created and waiting to be implemented when the right disaster came along... I think the motives go way beyond saving such industry.
And, how does one think it was created so quickly? Almost seems like it was already created and waiting to be implemented when the right disaster came along... I think the motives go way beyond saving such industry.
Personally, I think the job was done when they secured the cockpit doors.
Also the FFDO programs which trains pilots to carry guns and in methods to defend their aircraft from an attack.
I'm no fan of TSA, although most of those I've encountered seem to be trying to do their job as they've been employed to do and doing it politely. But I am absolutely not convinced in any way shape or form that it was some vast (or even half vast) conspiracy.
John
Personally, I think the job was done when they secured the cockpit doors.
Actually, the job was done when the second plane hit. Up to that point the feeling was, 'how'd a plane crash into a skyscraper on such a clear day?'
As soon as that second plane hit though we all knew we were under attack and that meant hijackers would be now be willing to crash and die in the effort. In that instant the idea of cooperating with hijackers vanished like a fart in the wind (credit to Shawshank). No way was anybody going to let a guy into the cockpit.
They could have a curtain for a door to the cockpit. If someone tried to get in there the entire plane would attack and get that guy back out as nobody is going to cooperate now with hijackers. In fact, there's a silver lining...we no longer have to worry about some guy trying to divert the flight for whatever cause. 9/11 fixed that problem.
I think the only real worry is terrorists might try and damage an airliner and kill all aboard in the resulting crash. I suspect they don't have the capabilities to do so, because if they did they could easily sneak it past the TSA. I haven't heard about them bragging they'd stopped any bombs. Just lighters, soda bottles, and pen knives.
> Perhaps the TSA was created to make people feel safe
It's a jobs program, for those that are mostly; otherwise, unemployable.
How would you know?Again, the salient fact is the number of potential terrorists stopped by the TSA. I will reiterate for the public benefit:
Personally, I think the job was done when they secured the cockpit doors.
How would you know?
9/11 fixed that problem.
It's all part of the show for the flying public. The closest interaction pax have with rampers is seeing them from the aircraft.Flight Crews and Pax attacking hijackers was the fix and that happened before the airspace was reopened after 9/11. The cockpit doors are nice...but unnecessary. Just tell all the pax that if they see anyone go into the cockpit besides the crew go ahead and bum rush them.
The TSA is stupid. We spend a gazillion dollars to defend visible entry points and nothing on entry points that the public doesn't see. Have you ever seen a baggage handler go through security? No you haven't. Why's that? How do they get to work?
They go through a special door with no screening. So...lets break this down. The guys FLYING THE FREAKING PLANE have to get wanded and probed and searched. They have access to the yoke and gear and could crash the plane any 'ol time they want...but they are searched for hand grenades and guns and whatever...
Meanwhile, the baggage handlers march right through a lower level door with no x-ray machine or searching. They could have been hired a couple of weeks ago with minimal background checks. They don't even ride on the planes...yet they have unrestricted access to the ramp. While the pilots get wanded and probed. Go figure.
It's all part of the show for the flying public. The closest interaction pax have with rampers is seeing them from the aircraft.