Pilot fighting cross winds or not?

AdamZ

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The whole thing looks like a silly spoof to me. Nothing real about it.
 
The FO was also trying to land the plane and neither knew the other was on the controls. :lol::lol::lol:
 
Looks fake. The movement of the controls "looks" more in sync with the music then the actual flight path.
 
I have seen some "active" control inputs. Probably done some myself. But that looked pretty spoofish to me.
 
I think that was azpilot hahhahha
 
Looks to me like the centerline was out of service as well.
 
I've had to use control inputs something like that in squirrrelly winds. I bet if I'd videoed myself it would have looked similar.

When winds are trying to lift a wing, your control inputs go into counteracting the roll and the net effect, hopefully, is no roll. So you wouldn't necessarily see those inputs produce a roll. In an intense case, yeah, I guarantee you my control inputs would be all over the place.

Some of the control input could have come from turbulence too - either that or the guy had ants in his pants. All his jumpiness settles down once the nose wheel touches down.

Beats me though - I fly a spam can not a Boeing.
 
AdamZ said:
Would like to hear from the guys who fly for the airlines and Jet charter folks on this video. Something just does not seem right. The pilots seems like he is churning butter with the yoke he is moving it so much but the plane doesn't even seem to bank . The approach seems pretty stable. Also Are they now wearing iPod type head phones in the cockpit of jets?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/downtime/intense-pilots-view-of-landing-in-heavy-winds/vi-BBogahM
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He was obviously boppin' to the rockin' tune playing on his iPhone.
 
If I see my students pumping the controls like that I immediately say stop. A lot of the times, the turbulence in windy conditions upon landing is caused by the pilot. When they stop over controlling, just like magic, the turbulence stops.
 
Looks like a 747 landing on 16R in NRT. And it looks legit. I don't see anything showing it wouldn't be.
 
Rex Kramer said:
Looks like a 747 landing on 16R in NRT. And it looks legit. I don't see anything showing it wouldn't be.
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Lol!!! I have never seen anyone manhandle a plane remotely close to that. Not even a light airplane.
 
Fearless Tower said:
Yes. As was posted earlier, the video is sped up/not real time, which exaggerates the movement.
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It doesn't even look particularly sped up. Watch the guy's eye movements going back and forth from be outside to the instruments. Not all that rapid.
 
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Rex Kramer said:
I've seen that exact thing on that exact approach with winds gusting over 50kts in a 777.


Here's even a video of a similar landing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISMQR5pCl98

You'll notice those flight controls moving all over the place.


And another from a 747 (to avoid the FBW crowd):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=321vhaVKWjw
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As far as the additional two you posted??? Ahhh... An airplane in gusty winds we have all seen.
I saw nothing that resembled those control movements.
 
The guy in the original video is getting the sh*t kicked out of him... that's why he's bouncing around so much.. surely people understand that. His rapid movements are counteracting the turbulence the aircraft is experiencing.

You've landing in NRT under high wind conditions? Honest question, because if you have that video isn't unreasonable.
 
Rex Kramer said:
The guy in the original video is getting the sh*t kicked out of him... that's why he's bouncing around so much.. surely people understand that. His rapid movements are counteracting the turbulence the aircraft is experiencing.

You've landing in NRT under high wind conditions? Honest question, because if you have that video isn't unreasonable.
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He looks like the guy in the Airplane movie who is sweating.

No, never landed at NRT, but that's not the only airport with nasty winds. That said, I am well aware what those abrupt and scale of of inputs will do. Look outside the airplane.... It's almost perfectly stable.
 
Kritchlow said:
He looks like the guy in the Airplane movie who is sweating.

No, never landed at NRT, but that's not the only airport with nasty winds. That said, I am well aware what those abrupt and scale of of inputs will do. Look outside the airplane.... It's almost perfectly stable.
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He has a wide angle lens on the camera as a start.

And second.. the reason the plane seems stable is because of his "abrupt" control inputs against the turbulence. I'm pretty sure that was mentioned before in this thread.


Nevermind.. it's obviously faked... right down to the traffic moving at a normal pace on the highway on the north side of the airport. No pilot would actually try to fly the plane to counteract mother nature.
 
dell30rb said:
It was sped up so everything looks more intense
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I cant help but notice the pilots movements are exactly the same so there's definitely some other creative editing involved somewhere in there.

That being said, the video being sped up certainly plays a part in making things look hugely exaggerated. I always get asked if it's really bumpy/turbulent in small planes when people watch my flight videos because at 10x speed, even the minor 2-3 degree bank correction looks like huge jarring changes.
 
Kritchlow said:
That one looks more realistic IMO.. I can actually see the pitch changing a bit.
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Pitch or bank angle changes aren't required for control inputs not to be "fake". We all, probably very often, have used control inputs to counteract pitch or bank changes caused by turbulence. The result is little, or less, bank/pitch than 'nature' intended. And what bank there is is in the opposite direction of the control input. That's what it looks like when we're fighting turbulence.
 
petrolero said:
Pitch or bank angle changes aren't required for control inputs not to be "fake". We all, probably very often, have used control inputs to counteract pitch or bank changes caused by turbulence. The result is little, or less, bank/pitch than 'nature' intended. And what bank there is is in the opposite direction of the control input. That's what it looks like when we're fighting turbulence.
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That's true.... But in the OP's video the pilots movements are far from subtle. I'd probably have whip lash.

If it is indeed sped up than that may change my opinion. That said, I'm not convinced it is sped up.
And what's with the bouncing shoulders??
 
Kritchlow said:
That's true.... But in the OP's video the pilots movements are far from subtle. I'd probably have whip lash.

If it is indeed sped up than that may change my opinion. That said, I'm not convinced it is sped up.
And what's with the bouncing shoulders??
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I thought it was sped up too. Bouncing shoulders looks like cam affixed to the airplane while in turb to me.
 
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