Pigs Can't Fly

Ever been downwind from a pig farm? I can't imagine what it would be like in a closed airplane. :yikes:
 
Interesting law. Does that mean if one has a tiger or cobra as an emotional support animal they could fly with it?
 
"Emotional support animals," huh? :sosp:

Is it just my observation, or are there an awful lot of pathologically needy people out there these days?

Rich
 
RJM62 said:
"Emotional support animals," huh? :sosp:

Is it just my observation, or are there an awful lot of pathologically needy people out there these days?

Rich
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Yup... alot out there... And........ THEY vote...:hairraise::eek::yikes:........:(
 
TheTraveler said:
Interesting law. Does that mean if one has a tiger or cobra as an emotional support animal they could fly with it?
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Yes. My training from my 121 days was that the requirement for verification of any therapy animal is the passenger claims it is. Once that massive hurdle is passed its just a matter of being secured and not bothering other passengers.

Horse: can't secure it: out
Spider: as long as it's contained and can't bother others.
Cat: fine
Dog: fine
Monkey: fine as long as it's under control
Rat: fine if under control
Mongoose: fine if contained / under control
Cobra: venom less? Probably okay if contained and has documentation venom sacs are gone. Venom sacs intact? Safety issue so out.
Honey Badger: fine cause honey badger don't give a &!@$.
 
Horse? I saw a seeing eye horse once. And the lady using the horse told me he rides very well in an airplane.

Ok, it was a miniature horse, about 18 inches tall. And it behaved better than most service dogs, and the dogs are usually really well behaved. And was house trained.
 
The world has gone crazy,used to be we worried about the well being of the masses,now you have to take care of the individual,no matter their request,political correctness has gone too far.
 
frfly172 said:
The world has gone crazy,used to be we worried about the well being of the masses,now you have to take care of the individual,no matter their request,political correctness has gone too far.
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I agree. I'm all for the concept of a service animal, but that doesn't mean somebody's pet should be considered a service animal just because they say it is.

I'm normally not in favor of more regulation, but I do think some kind of national standard for the training and certification of service animals needs to be implemented. If somebody's "pet" isn't officially certified as a legitimate service animal, then Fluffy, Fido, Sammy the Snake, etc, shouldn't get to go everywhere with them.
 
LoneAspen said:
I agree. I'm all for the concept of a service animal, but that doesn't mean somebody's pet should be considered a service animal just because they say it is.

I'm normally not in favor of more regulation, but I do think some kind of national standard for the training and certification of service animals needs to be implemented. If somebody's "pet" isn't officially certified as a legitimate service animal, then Fluffy, Fido, Sammy the Snake, etc, shouldn't get to go everywhere with them.
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So more regulation and bigger government is the answer? Regulation is what caused the issue in the first place. Specifically "Americans With Disabilities Act".
 
It is just a scam so we can bring our little snack sized dogs wherever we want. F'dog haters.
 
Captain said:
So more regulation and bigger government is the answer? Regulation is what caused the issue in the first place. Specifically "Americans With Disabilities Act".
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True, but now certain people feel entitled to think they're a special little snowflake and should be allowed to bring Fluffy to work just because they call it a "stress dog" and God forbid an employer call them on it for fear of being sued, or accused of discriminatory practices.

If you're blind and need a service dog, that's one thing. But claiming you need Fluffy at work because otherwise, work stresses you out too much...sorry, but I call bullsh!t on that one.
 
LoneAspen said:
True, but now certain people feel entitled to think they're a special little snowflake and should be allowed to bring Fluffy to work just because they call it a "stress dog" and God forbid an employer call them on it for fear of being sued, or accused of discriminatory practices.

If you're blind and need a service dog, that's one thing. But claiming you need Fluffy at work because otherwise, work stresses you out too much...sorry, but I call bullsh!t on that one.
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I agree. But I don't think more rules is the answer. I'd say less, one less, and let the airlines figure it out for themselves. I'm also tired of every flight being told I can't smoke in the lavatory. I can't smoke in the cabin. I can't smoke under the seats or in the galley. I can't smoke near the cockpit and I can't smoke in the overhead bins.

Is that really necessary anymore?
 
LoneAspen said:
True, but now certain people feel entitled to think they're a special little snowflake and should be allowed to bring Fluffy to work just because they call it a "stress dog" and God forbid an employer call them on it for fear of being sued, or accused of discriminatory practices.

If you're blind and need a service dog, that's one thing. But claiming you need Fluffy at work because otherwise, work stresses you out too much...sorry, but I call bullsh!t on that one.
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I agree, especially because of another peculiarity of modern life, namely, that so many people seem prouder of their maladies and weaknesses than they are of their achievements.

One of the reasons I was happy to sell my consulting business was that I no longer had to go to business-related meetings and gatherings and listen to people practically bragging about whichever yuppie allergies or maladies they believed themselves to be afflicted with. Sometimes they seemed to be trying to outdo each other, as if competing for the title of Most Sickly Person at the table.

I don't know where this tendency came from, but I suspect it has something to do with child-rearing philosophies that inadvertently remove opportunities to excel by removing opportunities to fail. What pride is there in getting a trophy for highest batting average when the kid who struck out every time he came to bat gets one, too? Or what's the value of being a smart kid in school when no one's allowed to be a dunce? By removing opportunities to fail, we also remove opportunities to succeed and to identify with those successes; and so a lot of people choose to identify with their weaknesses, instead.

Rich
 
Since the airlines are quick to accommodate those with, say, a peanut allergy by banning peanuts on a particular flight, how about flights with a service animal and a passenger who is allergic to it?

Don't get me wrong, I think that the "peanut ban" is beyond stupid, especially since someone with enough sensitivity to be bothered by others eating peanuts on a flight would likely also be bothered by all of the peanut residue from the previous flight. How inconveniencing an entire planeload of people over the affliction of one individual is good customer service, I will never understand. However, the situation with a service animal and an allergic passenger involves a more direct and isolated conflict.


JKG
 
RJM62 said:
I agree, especially because of another peculiarity of modern life, namely, that so many people seem prouder of their maladies and weaknesses than they are of their achievements.

One of the reasons I was happy to sell my consulting business was that I no longer had to go to business-related meetings and gatherings and listen to people practically bragging about whichever yuppie allergies or maladies they believed themselves to be afflicted with. Sometimes they seemed to be trying to outdo each other, as if competing for the title of Most Sickly Person at the table.

I don't know where this tendency came from, but I suspect it has something to do with child-rearing philosophies that inadvertently remove opportunities to excel by removing opportunities to fail. What pride is there in getting a trophy for highest batting average when the kid who struck out every time he came to bat gets one, too? Or what's the value of being a smart kid in school when no one's allowed to be a dunce? By removing opportunities to fail, we also remove opportunities to succeed and to identify with those successes; and so a lot of people choose to identify with their weaknesses, instead.

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This doesn't happen in my experience. There is no "best" anything trophy. Everybody gets the same trophy at the end of the year. So you can look at it as rewarding failure (worst kid get a trophy too) or disincentivizing success (best kid gets same trophy).

Me, I figure it's more Americas obsession with cheap plastic crap with a sprinkle of 'everybody's a winner' attitude thrown in. No parent wants to think their little Johnny is inferior in any way so the group trophy system fits nicely. Also, nobody wants to pay for what it would cost to break out individual trophies.

They could take the money spent on the entire teams trophies and put it towards one or two individual trophies...but then you're back to the majority feeling bad.

Which gets to a larger point...as a society we're addicted to feeling good. We even have a decade plus war on bad feelings (terror is nothing but a feeling). We have made our lives so comfortable that any minor little discomfort is perceived as a major problem deserving restitution. Basically, we're soft.
 
Shut up lady these are my emotional support cigarettes.:lol: People are lame, but I'd guess most of the people claiming emotional support animal are simply taking advantage of a rule driven society gone mad. I think it is great.
 
JGoodish said:
Since the airlines are quick to accommodate those with, say, a peanut allergy by banning peanuts on a particular flight, how about flights with a service animal and a passenger who is allergic to it?

Don't get me wrong, I think that the "peanut ban" is beyond stupid, especially since someone with enough sensitivity to be bothered by others eating peanuts on a flight would likely also be bothered by all of the peanut residue from the previous flight. How inconveniencing an entire planeload of people over the affliction of one individual is good customer service, I will never understand. However, the situation with a service animal and an allergic passenger involves a more direct and isolated conflict.


JKG
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Let me get this straight. Someone should DIE so you can get a bag of peanuts? Peanut allergies are often very serious, and can be fatal, especially at altitude, far from any useful help.

Neither of us knows the cleaning regimen that occurred after the previous flight, but you can bet it was more than nothing.

Turns that "what kind of world do we live in" question on its head, now doesn't it? I don't think I could come up with a better definition of pathologically selfish.
 
Well if their foolish mothers only let them play in the dirt when they were babies they wouldn't have this problem.
 
MAKG1 said:
Let me get this straight. Someone should DIE so you can get a bag of peanuts? Peanut allergies are often very serious, and can be fatal, especially at altitude, far from any useful help.

Neither of us knows the cleaning regimen that occurred after the previous flight, but you can bet it was more than nothing.

Turns that "what kind of world do we live in" question on its head, now doesn't it? I don't think I could come up with a better definition of pathologically selfish.
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If someone on the plane claims to have a cotton allergy, should the rest of the passengers be required to fly naked? If they claim to be allergic to deodorant, should the rest of the pax be forbidden from using it? What about beverages? If they claim to have allergies to coffee, tea, or whiskey, should those items be banned from the flight?

It may sound harsh, but if someone has an allergy, it's their problem -- not anyone else's.

Rich
 
RJM62 said:
I agree, especially because of another peculiarity of modern life, namely, that so many people seem prouder of their maladies and weaknesses than they are of their achievements.

One of the reasons I was happy to sell my consulting business was that I no longer had to go to business-related meetings and gatherings and listen to people practically bragging about whichever yuppie allergies or maladies they believed themselves to be afflicted with. Sometimes they seemed to be trying to outdo each other, as if competing for the title of Most Sickly Person at the table.
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I've seen this before, too, and it does seem to be more prevalent in today's workplace than in years past. It's almost like the "Four Yorkshiremen" of medical maladies. I've also seen parents do this when talking about their kids. One laments how their kid got prescribed Ritalin, then another chimes in with how their kid is on Ritalin AND goes to therapy, etc. Four Yorkshiremen by proxy I guess.

Captain said:
This doesn't happen in my experience. There is no "best" anything trophy. Everybody gets the same trophy at the end of the year. So you can look at it as rewarding failure (worst kid get a trophy too) or disincentivizing success (best kid gets same trophy).
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Reminds me of a quote from the movie The Incredibles when Mom and Dad were arguing about the school having a graduation ceremony for kids advancing a grade, and Dad says "It's psychotic. They keep creating new ways to celebrate mediocrity".

I don't have kids, so maybe my opinion doesn't count for much in this regard, but if I did have kids, I wouldn't raise them to think they're going to excel at everything, and that they will ALWAYS be winners. Losing is a part of life. Have fun, try new things, learn from your failures, improve yourself, and move on ("Builds character" as my parents used to say).

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Shut up lady these are my emotional support cigarettes.
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ROFL! :)

ClimbnSink said:
Well if their foolish mothers only let them play in the dirt when they were babies they wouldn't have this problem.
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I remember as a kid when my Mom made a cake, she'd let us lick the bowl with the batter in it, and of course that batter had raw eggs in it. That was in the 60's and 70's before the era of organic and free-range anything, and we never came down with salmonella or anything. And yes, we used to go outside and play in the dirt, run barefoot in the yard stepping on God knows what (including dog poop I'm sure, because we had an outside dog and we never scooped up anything, it just got run over by the lawn mower when Dad cut the grass).

I think I'm going to bake a cake this afternoon and lick the bowl just for old times sake...
 
Reporting from the Hartford airport. I see no pigs of the animal type anywhere tonight.
 
My kid aced two FCAT exams. Got a letter from the Governor commemorating his two year run of perfect test taking. Besides bragging a little it points out there still are some 'special awards' left.
 
Hate to add it, but it seems to me the peanut allergy thing is a genetic trait that is not very desirable and weakens us as a species. I'm not saying we should kill them or anything, but maybe placate it a tad less.
 
RJM62 said:
If someone on the plane claims to have a cotton allergy, should the rest of the passengers be required to fly naked? If they claim to be allergic to deodorant, should the rest of the pax be forbidden from using it? What about beverages? If they claim to have allergies to coffee, tea, or whiskey, should those items be banned from the flight?

It may sound harsh, but if someone has an allergy, it's their problem -- not anyone else's.

Rich
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We're not talking hay fever.

We're talking someone not being able to breathe.

So you can get a bag of peanuts.

That's selfish to the point of inhumanity.

It doesn't SOUND harsh. It IS harsh. And unacceptably so. You can do without your damn bag of peanuts. No one can do without breathing.
 
MAKG1 said:
Neither of us knows the cleaning regimen that occurred after the previous flight, but you can bet it was more than nothing.
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Could be more than nothing but I'll bet it's LESS than required after the service pig. :yesnod:
 
MAKG1 said:
We're not talking hay fever.

We're talking someone not being able to breathe.

So you can get a bag of peanuts.

That's selfish to the point of inhumanity.

It doesn't SOUND harsh. It IS harsh. And unacceptably so. You can do without your damn bag of peanuts. No one can do without breathing.
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Hmmmm...

So one out of a thousand humans have a peanut allergy.... Now the other 999 people have to give up eating peanuts so the ONE person with the genetic defect gets to have a happy airline trip......

You want to debate that humanity thing now????:dunno::dunno:
 
MAKG1 said:
We're not talking hay fever.

We're talking someone not being able to breathe.

So you can get a bag of peanuts.

That's selfish to the point of inhumanity.

It doesn't SOUND harsh. It IS harsh. And unacceptably so. You can do without your damn bag of peanuts. No one can do without breathing.
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I'm reading this to my wife, she wants to know why do grocery stores still stock peanut products?
 
N801BH said:
Hmmmm...

So one out of a thousand humans have a peanut allergy.... Now the other 999 people have to give up eating peanuts so the ONE person with the genetic defect gets to have a happy airline trip......

You want to debate that humanity thing now????:dunno::dunno:
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Umm, a few hundred (NOT 1000 -- no airplane is that big) people doing without peanuts and eating something else for a few hours has a very obvious tradeoff to one person dying.

It amazes me how many self-described conservatives don't understand conservatism. It's not selfishness over all. Far from it, really.
 
MAKG1 said:
Umm, a few hundred (NOT 1000 -- no airplane is that big) people doing without peanuts and eating something else for a few hours has a very obvious tradeoff to one person dying.

It amazes me how many self-described conservatives don't understand conservatism. It's not selfishness over all. Far from it, really.
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First off.... Give us the EXACT percentage of peanut allergy sufferers...

Second... If they don't like airlines serving peanuts.. They are perfectly free to take the bus, or train, or drive in their "perfectly safe vehicle"....
 
MAKG1 said:
Umm, a few hundred (NOT 1000 -- no airplane is that big) people doing without peanuts and eating something else for a few hours has a very obvious tradeoff to one person dying.

It amazes me how many self-described conservatives don't understand conservatism. It's not selfishness over all. Far from it, really.
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Is the essence of a peanut that pervasive?
 
Sleepingsquirrel said:
I'm reading this to my wife, she wants to know why do grocery stores still stock peanut products?
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Let's ban everything that anyone is allergic to. Yeah there should be a law. Oh wait there is and many companies chose to 'falsely' label their products as possibly containing peanuts because it is the easiest and legally safest route. Unintended consequences crack me up. Pilots are OK with lead in their fuel but not peanuts in stores, got it.:lol:
 
"Flying With a Peanut Allergy

One of the most common staples of air travel is the little bag of peanuts. If you have a peanut allergy, this is a dangerous perk. Below is some great information and some helpful tips for travelers on how make it a positive situation.


Throughout the year, FAN receives many calls from members who are seeking guidance for requesting a peanut-free flight. Below is a set of suggested guidelines for peanut-allergic passengers flying on U.S. carriers. However, each person must create a plan based on his or her particular case.

As of August 2000, the only major U.S. airline that does not serve peanut snacks is United, but you should confirm this with them because airlines have been known to change their policy. This does not mean they are peanut-free, because they may have peanut ingredients in their meals or other passengers may carry peanuts on the plane with them. No airline can guarantee a peanut-free flight. However, some airlines are willing to serve non-peanut snacks upon request; others will make no accommodations.

No matter which airline you choose, let them know up front that you are requesting they serve a non-peanut snack to everyone on your flight. If the reservation agent doesn't seem to understand what you are requesting, ask to speak to a supervisor or special service coordinator (titles vary by airline).

Ask for a written confirmation of your request and the airline's response. Some will provide it, others will not; but it may help if you have to reschedule your flights en route. At the very least, get the name and telephone number of the supervisor or special service coordinator in case you have a problem en route. Some will ask for documentation of food allergy from your physician.

"No matter which airline you choose, let them know up front that you are requesting they serve a non-peanut snack to everyone on your flight."

I have an allergy, it relates to the elastic in my underware, and/or my flip flops, I wonder if I could request that no one be allowed to wear panties or flip flops on a flight I might buy a ticket for? ;)
 
MAKG1 said:
We're not talking hay fever.

We're talking someone not being able to breathe.

So you can get a bag of peanuts.

That's selfish to the point of inhumanity.

It doesn't SOUND harsh. It IS harsh. And unacceptably so. You can do without your damn bag of peanuts. No one can do without breathing.
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I don't eat peanuts. And someone's allergies are still their own problem and their own responsibility.

Rich
 
N801BH said:
First off.... Give us the EXACT percentage of peanut allergy sufferers...

Second... If they don't like airlines serving peanuts.. They are perfectly free to take the bus, or train, or drive in their "perfectly safe vehicle"....
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"EXACT percentage" exposes some pretty serious ignorance. There is no such thing. Doing your research for you, it appears that the rate of anaphylaxis due to nut allergies is about 1 in 300 in the US general population, skewed toward children.

That's very far from rare, and the consequence is serious.

A person undergoing this reaction needs emergency treatment immediately. An EpiPen is not sufficient; even with one available a trip to the ER needs to happen immediately.

So, you can do without your damn peanuts.
 
Sleepingsquirrel said:
I have an allergy, it relates to the elastic in my underware, and/or my flip flops, I wonder if I could request that no one be allowed to wear panties or flip flops on a flight I might buy a ticket for? ;)
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If it will kill you without you even knowing it's there, yes.

Otherwise, you're exposing your ignorance.
 
MAKG1 said:
That's very far from rare, and the consequence is serious.

A person undergoing this reaction needs emergency treatment immediately. An EpiPen is not sufficient; even with one available a trip to the ER needs to happen immediately.

So, you can do without your damn peanuts.
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Add peanuts to the contraband our DHS agents shake passengers down for.
 
MAKG1 said:
"EXACT percentage" exposes some pretty serious ignorance. There is no such thing. Doing your research for you, it appears that the rate of anaphylaxis due to nut allergies is about 1 in 300 in the US general population, skewed toward children.

That's very far from rare, and the consequence is serious.

A person undergoing this reaction needs emergency treatment immediately. An EpiPen is not sufficient; even with one available a trip to the ER needs to happen immediately.

So, you can do without your damn peanuts.
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Wanna bet......

I fact, from now on I will bring my own peanuts on all future airline flights.. And AFAIK.. there in NO requirement forbidding it....

Darwin needs to thin out the weak ya know.....:yes:......;)
 
Wonder if peanut oil would work as a lead replacement in 100LL?:rolleyes2::lol:
 
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