PIC of a Heavy

Michael

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Ok, heres a question for you...
Hypothetically...When I fly commercial, I always day dream about this scenario where mid flight, a flight attendant walks down the isle, asking if there is a pilot on board...seems the two pilots fell sick or became incapacitated...I raise my hand, "Yes Mam, I am a pilot, I can land this plane for you". I walk up to the __________ (Insert Big Jet Name Here) cockpit, and proceed to save everyone on board, by landing the heavy at my local field.
A question raised on another thread had me wondering...Would/Could the FAA suspend my licence for acting as PIC of a commercial flight, not being commercial rated, or would this fall under an emergency where the acting PIC could break the FARs for emergency purposes.
I would assume the latter... Just wondering..In case this ever happens to me :)



Michael
 
You might be breaking the FARs for emergency purposes, but I do not think you would be legally acting as PIC at all, as you are not rated in that aircraft.

You couldn't even LOG it as PIC - again, not rated.

Maybe the disabled captain would sign off some dual after landing and revival though... :)
 
that exact thing happened to me! After it was all over, I relized it was just a NWA DC10 Sim - LOL

I did get to log the sim time though! :)
 
Michael said:
Ok, heres a question for you...
Hypothetically...When I fly commercial, I always day dream about this scenario where mid flight, a flight attendant walks down the isle, asking if there is a pilot on board...seems the two pilots fell sick or became incapacitated...I raise my hand, "Yes Mam, I am a pilot, I can land this plane for you". I walk up to the __________ (Insert Big Jet Name Here) cockpit, and proceed to save everyone on board, by landing the heavy at my local field.
A question raised on another thread had me wondering...Would/Could the FAA suspend my licence for acting as PIC of a commercial flight, not being commercial rated, or would this fall under an emergency where the acting PIC could break the FARs for emergency purposes.
I would assume the latter... Just wondering..In case this ever happens to me :)



Michael
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What you would have to do is take command, and then coerce the flight attendants to go through the aisles asking "Is there a type-rated CFI aboard?"
 
I have had a similar dream, except when the stewardess says there's been a problem in the cockpit, I respond "The Cockpit?? What is it?"
 
AirBaker said:
I have had a similar dream, except when the stewardess says there's been a problem in the cockpit, I respond "The Cockpit?? What is it?"
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You guys have some boring dreams. I'm not telling you what the stewardess is asking ME! ;)
 
Michael said:
Ok, heres a question for you...
A question raised on another thread had me wondering...Would/Could the FAA suspend my licence for acting as PIC of a commercial flight, not being commercial rated, or would this fall under an emergency where the acting PIC could break the FARs for emergency purposes.
I would assume the latter... Just wondering..In case this ever happens to me :)



Michael
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I seriously doubt the FAA would take any kind of action. This would fall into the pilot (you) exercising his emergency authority. Which in this case definately would be.

Greg
 
Greg Bockelman said:
I seriously doubt the FAA would take any kind of action. This would fall into the pilot (you) exercising his emergency authority. Which in this case definately would be.
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I agree -- 91.3(b) applies, but don't try to log it in violation of 61.51(e).;)

BTW, there have been a number of cases of non-rated persons taking over for incapacitated pilots on non-air carrier flights, and if they survive, the FAA usually congratulates them and anyone else who helped them get down safely.
 
Are you kidding? You'd be interviewed on every Network morning TV show. The FAA isn't going to give a hero any trouble at all..
 
Brian Austin said:
You guys have some boring dreams. I'm not telling you what the stewardess is asking ME! ;)
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"Mr. Austin..please stow your tray table and return your seat to its upright position" ?
 
Brian Austin said:
You guys have some boring dreams. I'm not telling you what the stewardess is asking ME! ;)
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"Surely there must be something you can do!?!"

or maybe

"How bout some coffee Johnny?"
 
They won't need you (or Julie), they will just inflate the autopilot.
 
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Guess I quit the wrong day to quit drinking!
 
Ken Ibold said:
What you would have to do is take command, and then coerce the flight attendants to go through the aisles asking "Is there a type-rated CFI aboard?"
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That's funny....I can see an "Airplane-The Movie" type comment period approaching.
 
woodstock said:
what's the clearance, Clarence?
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What's our vector Victor?

My favorite part: "It's starting to shake! Now it's starting to shimmy!" (You sort of need to remember the visual...)
 
inav8r said:
What's our vector Victor?

My favorite part: "It's starting to shake! Now it's starting to shimmy!" (You sort of need to remember the visual...)
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Could be gonna start to Rock n Roll...
 
D'ya suppose the FAA would complain if you did a few touch-n-goes on the way in?
 
Brian Austin said:
You guys have some boring dreams. I'm not telling you what the stewardess is asking ME! ;)
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If she is indeed a stewardess she is now so old that I don't want to hear your answer!!! :rolleyes:

-Skip
 
Brian Austin said:
You guys have some boring dreams. I'm not telling you what the stewardess is asking ME! ;)
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Is it... "Sir, Were getting some complaints from the other passengers...The crew has pitched in and bought you some soap, Will you please follow me to the lavatory."

:dance:
 
Michael said:
"Sir, Were getting some complaints from the other passengers...The crew has pitched in and bought you some soap, Will you please follow me to the lavatory."
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Oh, a sponge bath by a flight attendant in an airplane lavatory. Hmmmmm.
 
Michael said:
Is it... "Sir, Were getting some complaints from the other passengers...The crew has pitched in and bought you some soap, Will you please follow me to the lavatory."

:dance:
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You laugh, but actually it is in the passenger carriage rules of almost every airline that they reserve the right to refuse passage to "persons of distressing odor".

In other words, if pax complain, they can and will make you go wash up, or you don't fly. :D
 
T Bone said:
Okay, so what kind of plane was it (in the movie that is... :cool: )?
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Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with a red stripes, curtains at the windows, wheels, and it just looks like a big Tylenol.
 
Originally Posted by AirBaker
I respond "The Cockpit?? What is it?"

Len Lanetti said:
Its the place up front where the pilots sit but thats not important now....

:<)

Len
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Unless of course you have two female pilots, then it's the Box Office.:blowkiss: :dance: :no:
 
I had the same dream. When it was all over with, the airline was so thankful, they awarded me a brand new turbine Bonanza.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
I seriously doubt the FAA would take any kind of action. This would fall into the pilot (you) exercising his emergency authority. Which in this case definately would be.

Greg
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I think I would take it around three times for currency, while I was at it. Then I would get out my logbook and calmly write it in.
 
Whirlwind said:
You laugh, but actually it is in the passenger carriage rules of almost every airline that they reserve the right to refuse passage to "persons of distressing odor".

In other words, if pax complain, they can and will make you go wash up, or you don't fly. :D
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If you ever watch that show about Southwest they had to eject a pax because of BO. The guy had to go take a shower and get new clothes before they would let him back on
 
corjulo said:
Are you kidding? You'd be interviewed on every Network morning TV show. The FAA isn't going to give a hero any trouble at all..
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Yabut, the TSA would be on him like green on grass for entering the cockpit.
 
smigaldi said:
Have you flown commercial lately, that is not a dream but a nightmare :rolleyes::hairraise:
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Oh, I don't know. The FAs on Singapore, Cathy Pacific and EVA didn't look so bad this trip. :D
 
smigaldi said:
If you ever watch that show about Southwest they had to eject a pax because of BO. The guy had to go take a shower and get new clothes before they would let him back on
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Nothing could be worse than the old dude that crapped his pants, and the dude that worked for Southwest wanted to help clean him.

WTH? The old dude has his son there who was willing to do it himself. The guy really really WANTED to clean the old man.

I'm thinking that was more than just niceness there.
 
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