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I thought metallurgy reports said the bolts were defective?
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What has that to do with anything in this tread?
I think you are simply trying to stir the pot.
1RTK1
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Not me stirring the pot. I thought I read on some thread that the metallurgy report showed defective factory bolts.
I was actually defending you because people keep posting that same NTSB report and it gets tiring seeing it when it has no bearing on what is being said.
I was actually defending you because people keep posting that same NTSB report and it gets tiring seeing it when it has no bearing on what is being said.
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You need to give that one a rest, too. The first time you posted that, I looked at the NTSB report, I looked at the legal action brought by the Smiths (owners of the Cessna in question), and other sources. I came to a conclusion that is obviously different from yours. But then, that's how it goes sometimes.
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just so every one knows, I was never the defendant or the plaintiff in this case, merely a witness.You need to give that one a rest, too. The first time you posted that, I looked at the NTSB report, I looked at the legal action brought by the Smiths (owners of the Cessna in question), and other sources. I came to a conclusion that is obviously different from yours. But then, that's how it goes sometimes.
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Stephen, you brought up a viewpoint in your earlier post that I hadn’t thought about.
I grew up in my Dads auto repair shop. My Dad was the guy in town that people brought their car to when no one else in town could fix it or make it run right. My Dad was a smart, albeit uneducated man. If he were still alive he would turn 98 this year. He grew up during the depression and his Dad died when he was 12 which ended his formal education. He had worked into a job running an ice plant at night in a small town where he was working at the time of Pearl Harbor being attacked. For the time it was a very good job requiring lots of maintenance skills. He was a World War II veteran Navy Motor Machinist. He did a cruise on a destroyer escort before running a part of the Secretary of the Navy’s motor pool in Washington DC where he was stationed at wars end.
I spent lots of time in his shop as a kid, but he didn’t want me to do that for a living. I ended up going to college late, after the Army, but I went. I too had success beyond my formal education credentials, so I understand your personal viewpoint, but being in my Dads shop and seeing such results from a man that didn’t always explain problems or solutions eloquently might be why I saw Tom as being very good at what he does. That said, Tom can take a pen and paper and very clearly explain anything involving airplanes quite well although it might not sound eloquent to some folks. He know very well how everything works and goes together.
Effectiveness is everything. No matter how eloquently you can speak, you have to be effective at what you do and Tom is all that. Thanks for making me realize this viewpoint Stephen!
I grew up in my Dads auto repair shop. My Dad was the guy in town that people brought their car to when no one else in town could fix it or make it run right. My Dad was a smart, albeit uneducated man. If he were still alive he would turn 98 this year. He grew up during the depression and his Dad died when he was 12 which ended his formal education. He had worked into a job running an ice plant at night in a small town where he was working at the time of Pearl Harbor being attacked. For the time it was a very good job requiring lots of maintenance skills. He was a World War II veteran Navy Motor Machinist. He did a cruise on a destroyer escort before running a part of the Secretary of the Navy’s motor pool in Washington DC where he was stationed at wars end.
I spent lots of time in his shop as a kid, but he didn’t want me to do that for a living. I ended up going to college late, after the Army, but I went. I too had success beyond my formal education credentials, so I understand your personal viewpoint, but being in my Dads shop and seeing such results from a man that didn’t always explain problems or solutions eloquently might be why I saw Tom as being very good at what he does. That said, Tom can take a pen and paper and very clearly explain anything involving airplanes quite well although it might not sound eloquent to some folks. He know very well how everything works and goes together.
Effectiveness is everything. No matter how eloquently you can speak, you have to be effective at what you do and Tom is all that. Thanks for making me realize this viewpoint Stephen!
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Right. That's what the court records said. I should have mentioned that.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I often don't read the whole post, like you've said it gets old after a while.
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Thank you for that,, but let's move on.
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Agreed in full. That's really all I'm trying to say. Go have a big donut on me.
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Late to the party but I'll give my two cents. Although Tom may misspell a word now and then or maybe type something when he meant to say something else, he has been nothing but helpful to me, both on this forum and offline. There seems to be a few who are just spring loaded to jump on every post In order to prove someone wrong. I know a few people that don’t come here anymore because of that.
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Good post Tim, and I agree. Tom's information and knowledge have always been helpful. I have relatives on Whidbey Island, and if I manage to get back there in the near future hope to meet up with Tom.
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Any time, lunch is on me..
I'm in the book
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Same is true if your travels ever take you to the Dayton area.
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Follow up!
The engine has been in and running a while, but I finally got a combination weather and work load that let me fly some break-in time.
The engine runs smooth as silk with about 325 to 350 CHT’s and 170 oil temp. Holds strong oil pressure and makes good power.
I stayed close to the airport at about 1400 AGL staying in gliding distance. A friend was flying break in time on his bosses wife’s Super Cruiser at the same time. We were flying around keeping each other in sight and I was watching he and an instructor friend with a student on ADS-B. Kind of fun to do and something to break the boredom.
It appears that this will be an outstanding engine. I plan on about another five hours or so before draining the oil for a look see and if that is good. She will be ready to venture away from home a little. There is no shortage of friends locally who want some sight seeing time over the local lakes and this is a great plane for that. Sure is great to have her back in the air with a fresh heart.
The engine has been in and running a while, but I finally got a combination weather and work load that let me fly some break-in time.
The engine runs smooth as silk with about 325 to 350 CHT’s and 170 oil temp. Holds strong oil pressure and makes good power.
I stayed close to the airport at about 1400 AGL staying in gliding distance. A friend was flying break in time on his bosses wife’s Super Cruiser at the same time. We were flying around keeping each other in sight and I was watching he and an instructor friend with a student on ADS-B. Kind of fun to do and something to break the boredom.
It appears that this will be an outstanding engine. I plan on about another five hours or so before draining the oil for a look see and if that is good. She will be ready to venture away from home a little. There is no shortage of friends locally who want some sight seeing time over the local lakes and this is a great plane for that. Sure is great to have her back in the air with a fresh heart.
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I now have 2.6 hours on it and the temps are improving normally.
Now the alternator isn’t charging. I lost radios as the battery went dead when logging hours Thursday evening before dark. I think the problem is the regulator, but will troubleshoot and ensure wiring integrity. I have a Zeftronics I won as a door prize at a Mooney event so after confirming wiring I will add it and go from there. Not gonna have very good flying weather for the next four or five days anyway.
Now the alternator isn’t charging. I lost radios as the battery went dead when logging hours Thursday evening before dark. I think the problem is the regulator, but will troubleshoot and ensure wiring integrity. I have a Zeftronics I won as a door prize at a Mooney event so after confirming wiring I will add it and go from there. Not gonna have very good flying weather for the next four or five days anyway.
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Now up to over four hours and temps are going down slightly. Oil pressure is stable and it seems to make slightly more RPM.
The first hour, it used almost a quart of oil, some of it going out the puke tube. It has taken about the next three hours to use another quart.
As a side bonus, while doing this flying several thousand feet above the airport I am getting a good bit of experience watching for traffic with ADS-B, while also still looking out the window of course. Although it is pretty easy, practice makes it more natural to identify ADS-B traffic to pay attention to.
The first hour, it used almost a quart of oil, some of it going out the puke tube. It has taken about the next three hours to use another quart.
As a side bonus, while doing this flying several thousand feet above the airport I am getting a good bit of experience watching for traffic with ADS-B, while also still looking out the window of course. Although it is pretty easy, practice makes it more natural to identify ADS-B traffic to pay attention to.
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The last hour and a half caused the oil level to go down by about an eighth of a quart on the stick. I think it is safe to consider the rings seated and the critical part of the cylinder break in complete.
This afternoon I cobbed the throttle and trimmed her for best speed and got 122 MPH indicated one direction and about 119 in the other direction. Not very scientific, but pretty fast for the Piggy. With a name like Piggy it might be easy to figure out that she’s overweight, coupled with a climb prop that’s pretty good speed for an overweight, ragwing 140.
This afternoon I cobbed the throttle and trimmed her for best speed and got 122 MPH indicated one direction and about 119 in the other direction. Not very scientific, but pretty fast for the Piggy. With a name like Piggy it might be easy to figure out that she’s overweight, coupled with a climb prop that’s pretty good speed for an overweight, ragwing 140.
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Wow! It never occurred to me that I was going to make the jump to light speed! Without checking the star charts, I could have been killed. Chewie would have been disappointed in me.
MBDiagMan
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Just a follow up.
She has well over ten hours now and seems well broken in. Annual is next month so we will replace a vac pump gasket to fix an oil leak and give it a good going over, but she’s really running nicely and I am out of engine break in mode. I jump in and go wherever I choose without keeping an airport in gliding distance. The Piggy has a great engine now.
She has well over ten hours now and seems well broken in. Annual is next month so we will replace a vac pump gasket to fix an oil leak and give it a good going over, but she’s really running nicely and I am out of engine break in mode. I jump in and go wherever I choose without keeping an airport in gliding distance. The Piggy has a great engine now.
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