We need Duke Nuke'em
The OP requested that we keep this thread out of the SZ. Take the political remarks and comments against religions somewhere else.
Yes please and thank you.
Religion has little to nothing to do with it. Look at the columbine shooting. Disgruntled people will be disgruntled and cause senseless pain regardless of their justification.
The answer is: Gun control.
A well armed man, with sufficient rounds and good sight control.
Gun.
Control.
It's simply incorrect to say there's no terrorism in/from indonesia. And this is from the NYT.I'm not defending this massively disgusting act in Paris. But this is a ridiculous statement.
Indonesia has the most muslims in the world, NOT the middle east and there are no terrorists coming from SE Asia. This is a case of extremism, every religion has it and it's wrong. It is poverty and crappy ways of life and governments that breed extremism, not any given religion. I dont call all christians unpeaceful because of the Klan. The religion is irregardless. If these same people were christian, jewish, hindu, atheist, buddhist, Taoist, they would find a way to use it as means for violence.
Assuming more people think like you than me, yeah, you're probably right. Wouldn't stop me from trying. Distract them to get them to empty half a mag, then rush. That leaves what, 15 bullets in an AK-47 mag? Assuming they need 2-3 shots to stop a person 7-8 guns could theoretically rush and have a chance of success.
Yes please and thank you.
Religion has little to nothing to do with it. Look at the columbine shooting. Disgruntled people will be disgruntled and cause senseless pain regardless of their justification.
The real solution is food.
Oh boy, here we go... Don't forget water. I'm sure these attackers were thirsty too. If only there were a way to sustainably produce food, water and energy everywhere in the world for everyone...
Freedom is only compatible with certain populations. Mix populations and a freedom based society will not function. Some populations are incapable of living in a free society, diversity and freedom are incompatible. Go back to your gated communities and reflect on that a bit before replying.I think, if we're honest about it, maintaining the kind of free society we enjoy and having absolute prevention of terrorist attacks are incompatible.
Yeah, a bunch of wannabe-heroes shooting from random directions should quickly raise the body count.
So the question that stands is "how do you prevent people who didn't win in the birth lottery from becoming outcasts?" When you look at the structure of our society and economy, you come to realize that this is not possible, because our society is based on winners taking advantage of losers.
(seen on CNN this morning) one of the witnesses said that two shooters worked as a team, one covering the crowd while the other was shooting people.
In other words, the pondscum have adapted tactics to deal with people rushing the shooters.
This is true. The ISIS operatives and the typical mass shooters are exactly this type of person. Their training for horrific acts in adulthood starts around kindergarten when they are identified and excluded by their peers. For the first time in history, these outcast people can find a sense of community somewhere on the internet. It also gives them a voice and ultimately the media at large will make them famous.
The internet is a two edged sword though. With the rise of internet bulling, violent content, access to forbidden things and forbidden knowledge, we are likely radicalizing these people faster and in greater numbers than ever before. Traditionally, the vast majority of social outcasts, AKA "losers" grow up and go through life completely harmlessly, but the internet is changing that.
Tough times ahead for sure. IMO, the best way to avoid attacks like these Paris attacks here, is to stop the flow of Muslim immigrants and for everyone everywhere to pay attention to the "losers" around us. Like I said most are decent people, but there are some boiling inside and working toward their own fame and/or purpose for their existence.
You open your boarders to any person with a sob story, "embrace" every culture, almost to a extent above your own culture, put your nose in other countries business... and disarm your citizens, I really don't see how this is such a surprise.
No good deed goes unpunished. Germany must be starting to realize how much they have screwed themselves right about now.
Freedom is only compatible with certain populations. Mix populations and a freedom based society will not function. Some populations are incapable of living in a free society, diversity and freedom are incompatible. Go back to your gated communities and reflect on that a bit before replying.
When we were there last month, the hoard was just arriving. The Germans seemed resigned to it, and were reopening our old airbase outside of Heidelburg to process them.I warned my cousin it would likely end badly, she thinks not, we'll see what happens. The vetting process was what failed, or more accurately doesn't really exist.
The only time you should ever consider charging a gunman is if you happen to be right there and see him when he is first taking the weapon out of concealment or he is trying to reload/clear a jam and you happen to be right there.
And the above doesn't necessarily apply if there are multiple shooters.
Yep, only anarchy can produce a free and peaceful society. If people don't choose it, it won't happen. Funny thing is people would choose it if it were an option. There would a brief period where "people who needed killing" got killed, and the society would settle into a pretty decent place to live governed by the basic rules of courtesy as we know them today. If God only needed to set 10 rules for mankind to live as a peaceful society, why do we have millions? If God won't violate free will, why do we think we have the right? There is a reason society is taught to fear anarchy, if we ever tried, those in power would lose power. We are controlled by fear. Rule of law is just a form of tyranny by the masses.
Minus the police force - just an elected sheriff, and deputies / militia as needed.Um, can't we just have a middle ground where we... you know have laws against murder, theft, etc, and a police force... basic law and order but not cameras on every street corner, government spying on everyone at all times, constant security checkpoints, etc?
No need to go off the deep end.
Assuming more people think like you than me, yeah, you're probably right. Wouldn't stop me from trying. Distract them to get them to empty half a mag, then rush. That leaves what, 15 bullets in an AK-47 mag? Assuming they need 2-3 shots to stop a person 7-8 guns could theoretically rush and have a chance of success.
The real solution is food.
I think, if we're honest about it, maintaining the kind of free society we enjoy and having absolute prevention of terrorist attacks are incompatible.
Now, for me personally if the price of maintaining a free way of life with privacy and all the protections of the constitution(including the ones we've lost) is worth losing a few people to the occasional terror attack... and that could easily mean myself or a loved one but the odds of any of us being killed by terrorism are incredibly low. It should really be somewhere near the bottom of one's worry list to be honest. Besides, if we as a society are cool with sending our soldiers out to face rifle fire and IEDs and all the other hazards of a warzone with the goal of defending those freedoms, why the heck are we selling those freedoms out for a marginal improvement in safety on something that's less likely than being hit by lightning? Seems kind of cowardly IMHO.
We really can't stop it. Think about it, is it really that hard to put something together that will blow up or grab a gun and shoot a bunch of people if you don't care if you live or die in the end? Probably not. I believe the reason we don't see it more often is, at the end of the day, almost none of us want to die and very few of us really want to kill.
Concealed carry is a nice option. I think that's the best word for it- option. IF you happen to be where one of these attacks happen and IF you happen not be killed in the initial assault, and IF you happen to be in a good firing position with no innocents on the other side of the target, and IF the bad guy looks away or has a gun jam or something long enough for you to get the gun out, readied, and line up a shot yeah sure. That would be a great thing and I hope I'd be able to pull it off were I ever in that situation. There's an awful lot of "IF" in that, but it may be the best we can do and still remain a free society.
On the rushing the target thing. Yeah the numbers make sense, but... people don't work that way. These things are happening fast, those people were out for a night on the town. They were not thinking about terrorism or rushing bad guys or anything like that. Stuff goes down, people get scared, people panic, they run, they try to protect their wives/girlfriends/children. They do not make coordinated zerg rush attacks on assault rifle wielding maniacs- it just doesn't happen.
The best we can do is remain vigilant, think on our feet, remain strong, and for the love of god please let's not add a bunch more needless invasion of privacy and violations of constitutional rights. Put more cops on the street if you need to but let's not sell out the very thing we say we're fighting for in the name of safety.
The real solution is food.
Food isn't a solution. Don't know any of the mass killers in the past that were starving. Plenty of cultures around the world exist peacefully while in poverty. These killers are nothing more than a result of warped ideology and mental illness. Not much different than the "outcast" mass killers in the US. Nothing we can do to prevent it in the future.
Food isn't a solution. Don't know any of the mass killers in the past that were starving. Plenty of cultures around the world exist peacefully while in poverty. These killers are nothing more than a result of warped ideology and mental illness. Not much different than the "outcast" mass killers in the US. Nothing we can do to prevent it in the future.
Could you explain your diagnosis of "mental illness"?
Nothing we can do to prevent it in the future.
These things are good for job security right?
Um, can't we just have a middle ground where we... you know have laws against murder, theft, etc, and a police force... basic law and order but not cameras on every street corner, government spying on everyone at all times, constant security checkpoints, etc?
No need to go off the deep end.
Why do you say there is nothing we can do about it? Or, are you just saying it's not worth doing anything about it?
We as a society in the US have no real perception of the misery our lifestyle spreads around the globe.
Yes, it's really our fault because we spend money to own and fly planes instead of giving it to Muslims.