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Longshot though it was I was not selected this board for a pilot slot in the USAF, and have aged out of any more rated boards(28 years old). They did select me for RPA (drones) which is kind of what I expected.
Honestly getting paid 90k a year to fly drones from creech is better than anything else i've done in life. It will be more than double the money, more responsibility and more interesting than selling Coca-Cola so I'm mildly excited about the opportunity.

Its just kind of frustrating being so close and knowing your qualified to fly, but I should probably be thankful I even got selected as an Officer with how tiny the off the street selections are nowdays.

Visiting a reserve unit this weekend maybe that will turn out positively and I could fly tankers but they've already cautioned me and said they typically only take people that live there already and some active duty pilots are interested in the spots. Tried calling a few guard units but the second you mention an officer position they are like thanks but no thanks.

So decisions decisions, it'll be stressful if this visit goes well with the reserve unit. Do I decline the RPA job on the off chance they'll take me on to fly tankers. It would screw me out of the USAF forever if I declined the RPA spot and the reserve unit said no thanks. Guess I'll get a feel for it all after the visit this weekend. :dunno: :yikes:
 
What kind of family medical history do you have? Drones have a bright future.

Can always buy/build/partner your own airplane for fun.
 
What kind of family medical history do you have? Drones have a bright future.

Can always buy/build/partner your own airplane for fun.

Medical history is great I'm in perfect health. Dad Granddad were both USAF pilots. It just came down to me only being in the top 10-15% of applicants and that not being enough to get one of the few pilot slots. I plan of buying something fun and using the military money to get my IR and Commercial maybe atp if I can get the hours in.
What's the service commitment for a drone pilot?

6 years after training so works out to 7 from the time you go to OTS to when you can get out.
 
I could be wrong, but I suspect that most (if not all) tanker jobs go to guys who are already pilots coming from the AD side. There is at least one AF Tanker pilot on the board here who can probably shed more light.

I suspect you'd be better off doing the drone thing and building experience while keeping the flying passion going on the outside.

I was in a similar position long time ago with the Navy (too old to qualify by the time laser eye surgery was accepted). I've enjoyed driving ships and the full time job and other perks (paid continuation bonuses) have helped fund my habit.
 
Think you can do drones in the reserves??

Get trained, get a civilian job doing the same thing. Double dip.
 
I could be wrong, but I suspect that most (if not all) tanker jobs go to guys who are already pilots coming from the AD side. There is at least one AF Tanker pilot on the board here who can probably shed more light.

I suspect you'd be better off doing the drone thing and building experience while keeping the flying passion going on the outside.

I was in a similar position long time ago with the Navy (too old to qualify by the time laser eye surgery was accepted). I've enjoyed driving ships and the full time job and other perks (paid continuation bonuses) have helped fund my habit.
Thats what I'm thinking but the Lieutenant Colonel who I contacted said they had 8 pilot slots opening up and they do take off the street guys now. But before I leave there that weekend i'm gonna try to get my actual chances of getting on and if they don't say yeah your probably hired unless you screw up the interview then i'll happily sign up for RPA.
 
Think you can do drones in the reserves??

Get trained, get a civilian job doing the same thing. Double dip.

This.... ^^^

I turned down OCS in the army and planned to go to WOCS instead. It would have been a better choice for a military career for me, until the injury ended any chance for that.
 
Sorry you didn't get picked up. RPA stuff wouldn't be too bad. Watched Good Kill a few nights back. While overly dramatized, still not a bad movie.

Like I said on your other post, WOFT is still an option for someone your age. All the flying without the staff crap that RLOs eventually go to. They select FW right out of flight school now instead of the old way of boarding qualified RW pilots. Believe me, you'd enjoy flying RW over transport FW anyway. Also, the reserves are hurting for FW guys right now. Buddy of mine flys VIPs all over the country while full time reserves. Good luck with your decision.
 
Got a buddy who flies RPA stuff for Border Patrol after he got out of active duty. He loves his job.
 
Drones are the future,let the Air Force train you for a long career.
 
Sorry you didn't get picked up. RPA stuff wouldn't be too bad. Watched Good Kill a few nights back. While overly dramatized, still not a bad movie.


Not to thread hijack, but I was at KAEG while they were filming that! Haven't seen the movie yet, but I heard our birds were in the background for a shot or two. They had a full scale plywood F-16 on the ramp that they moved rather quickly while we were taxiing in so we didn't blow it away!

Back on topic, I'd go UAS. It's the future.
 
also not to hijack, but Coca-Cola is so much better than Pepsi.

Best of luck in whatever decision you make.
 
Longshot though it was I was not selected this board for a pilot slot in the USAF, and have aged out of any more rated boards(28 years old). They did select me for RPA (drones) which is kind of what I expected.

Its just kind of frustrating being so close and knowing your qualified to fly,


If it helps (misery loves company) [but I know it won't]

I qualified in the top 1% but was also rejected {gender issue. We were non-citizens/people back in the day} :no:
so I can relate.

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Drones are the future.

No reason you can't fly drones for your job and fly your own plane as a hobby. That money isn't bad at all.
 
Well, here's my take on it....

It's all gonna depend on whether or not your entire aspiration is based on becoming a professional civilian pilot as the end game or not. As it is, you are late to the game age-wise, so that limits your choices in this matter, but ultimately it comes down to what is it that you're ultimately after.

If you don't care for a professional pilot career as a civilian, save yourself the headache and just take the UAS gig. BUT, if this is all one big money grab to position yourself economically to get to a professional pilot career, then run away as fast as you can from that devil's money the USAF is offering you. It's not worth it.

This idea you're going to be stationed at Creech is putting the cart way before the horse. You don't know that. You are very likely to be stationed in real gems like Cannon or Holloman these days. You won't make 90k either. O-4 money with BAH with dependents gets you net pay close to that around year 5. That's a year into your Capt promotion. That's year 5 of 6 years the commitment entails. Try that for size, for your entire UAS commitment. That's not Vegas my friend, that's Clovis NM or Alamogordo NM for 6 years, which is my understanding is the current ADSC for for 18X AFSC coded guys, vice the 10 yrs after wings that usually befalls 11X (pilots) types who get sent to rot in UAV land.

You also underestimate the reason for the plus-up in UAS accessions. People are leaving that community in droves. QOL is rough, the way they set up the shift work. Burnout abounds. Our congress critters have determined that the QOL of people who signed on the dotted line isn't important enough to consider, so instead of setting up the duty stations across the globe so that everyone in that god forsaken community can have the perk of banker's hours and desirable family-friendly locations for the one job that can be physically done from anywhere, nah everybody gets sent instead to chit-ass rural New Mexico to run 24 hour ops. Well, you do the math, turnover is high. So, who cares if you can make six figures sitting in a shipping container for 12 hours, is it any different than being in an engineering cubicle doing something for six figures you absolutely hate? Consider these things before you get all comfortable with that proposition.

I'm what they call a Guard/Reserve baby; I've been a part-timer, trougher/bum, and full-timer in the AFRC and let me tell you, that TR position they might offer you in the tanker is worth the paycut, if flying is what you ultimately want to do. You want to do your turbine time build up in the military, where they pay you a living wage. My trougher/bumming paycheck was better and had better hours than a full up assistant professorship tenure-track at a technical public university in the southeast. I literally opted to keep a part-time job to pay the bills because it paid better, had better retirement and medical and provided me with experience that opted me for six figure income work, than a civilian full time job. It's almost pathetic to have to bring it up.

You don't want to do that time building via the regionals AND at a deferred start now in your 30s post AD Air Force, where they now force you to develop an entire career you don't want in the first place just to save money so that you can afford to starve in your 30s while building turbine time to apply to the same job your military peer will be applying to with better credentials than you with less total time. No offense to the regional guys, but the game is chess, it ain't checkers. Take what you can, to get where you need to.

The regAF will get their pound of flesh out of you and you will figure out in due time if you have the real desire to do 20 active duty years. Recognize also that they are going through tough fiscal times and boot people out all the time, so just because you think you want to stay for 20 doesn't mean it's in the bag.

Good luck to you whatever you do, I highly recommend pursuing the Guard/Reserve angle and against taking the UAS bait and switch devil's money. You're out of time, indeed, you should have started this process in your early 20s, but that's water under the bridge. If the Guard/Reserves can put you in UPT prior to 30th birthday, pursue that first. I have android phones full of people ringing off my number asking about the Guard/Reserves and why they kick themselves for not doing their homework in their early 20s. I don't know a single Reserve baby who wakes up every day and kicks himself for giving up the opportunity of getting paid that government cheese O money in Active Duty. This is not a rumor, this is the very environment where I make a daily living. All these folks on here telling you to go UAV because "it's the future" would literally trample over your bludgeoned corpse without hesitation to take the opportunity at military flight training in the Reserves you'd be willing to leave on the table. The UAS demand will normalize in time, and so will the wages. Then, it'll be just another drone-job that pays OK, pun very much intended.

This is one hand you probably want to go all in brother. There's other ways to make 90K in life if you miss. There's no do-overs once the door below closes....
https://vimeo.com/103557889
 
I am also firmly in the camp that if you want to fly for a living run, don't walk away from the UAS job. I don't know of any guard/reserve units that NEVER hire off the street. If they tell you that then you don't apply, they are probably looking for more type-A personalities. We hire off the street (next board is next year). I'd throw that net a bit wider to the ANG and see what you can find.

Or go fly UAS - maybe you'll love it. If you don't you might look back on this thread one day and wonder...
 
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