Ok so who had the right of way?

DOH! :incazzato:

First guy ran the redlight :skeptical: Gotta love the pedestrian in white,.. pointing at the other one coming, and then doing nothing after the collision.
 
Well Scott , Obvisously neither one could hear the others SIREN. But my guess would be the one that didnt flip.
Dave G
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
the guy on the right?
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I'll bet the local law states that emergency vehicles have the right of way over all other vehicles, which would mean that they both had it. But logic would say the truck that rolled had the right of way because it was on the other's right as they entered the intersection.
 
lancefisher said:
I'll bet the local law states that emergency vehicles have the right of way over all other vehicles, which would mean that they both had it. But logic would say the truck that rolled had the right of way because it was on the other's right as they entered the intersection.
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Uhm, the truck that rolled, was on the left of the truck that hit it. :)
 
Up kind of early for a Saturday morning, aren't you Scott? The picture is my excuse. :D It's 8:07 PM here. :D
 

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smigaldi said:
I thought it looked familiar.
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Easy to get to from my hotel. 3 stops north on the Tanimachi Line.

Guess I need to look around on the internet tonight and see what to do tomorrow. Already went to HRC last night, so I have the requisit shirts, etc for the family. Could go to Nara, my hotel (Sheraton Miyako) is right on top of a train station on the line that goes there. Then, back to standards meetings on Monday. Come home on Thursday.
 
If they were going to the same fire, why wasn't either one turning into the direction the other one was going? (yes, I know there is more than one way to get to a destination, but that makes it even funnier).
 
This whole thing could have been avoided if only one of them got on their radio and asked: "any traffic in the pattern ,please advise"
 
The one with the green light. The other guy could be in a lot of trouble they are charging drivers and officers with heavy criminal sentences now. This could of all been avoided if just one of them filed a flight plan.
 
woodstock said:
If they were going to the same fire, why wasn't either one turning into the direction the other one was going? (yes, I know there is more than one way to get to a destination, but that makes it even funnier).
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My (total) guess is the on-site command had asked each of them to respond to/stage at a specific location...
 
I'd say definitely the one that didn't roll, for two reasons; 1) he had the green light - even when they're running code, they're supposed to slow down and check before moving into the intersection at red lights, and 2) he was to the right. That's my take on it at least. Either way, they both lose, and are probably going to have a long afternoon ahead!
 
woodstock said:
If they were going to the same fire, why wasn't either one turning into the direction the other one was going? (yes, I know there is more than one way to get to a destination, but that makes it even funnier).
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One had a Lowrance GPS the other had a Garmin.
 
rmciottijr said:
The one with the green light.
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They might have both had a red light actually.

Some intersections are set up so that when an emergency vehicle approach all lights go red to stop everything and then the EV can pick the best way around the traffic.

With two EVs both with their lights and sirens on approaching the same intersection at the same time the signal may not give a clue as to who was right. In any case an EV aproaching and going through an intersection must watch for all traffic. It is obvious that did not happen.
 
jesse said:
I'm confused...We need a third-party to pick a side, anyone?
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I was kidding Jesse, you were correct. I lost track of which one rolled, but in review it's clear that the truck that rolled was on the other's left before they entered the intersection.

But I still believe there's a good chance that by law both had the right of way over the other.
 
smigaldi said:
They might have both had a red light actually.

Some intersections are set up so that when an emergency vehicle approach all lights go red to stop everything and then the EV can pick the best way around the traffic.
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How they work is the first one to activate it get the green for a given amount time. Also looking at the video the truck facing us does not have the Opticon light on nor do I see anything on the light pole it should be near the light.

Thinking about this, now they are out two ladder truck at the fire. lets hope it was not an apartment fire where they needed to get to the upper windows for rescues.

See if they were a Slime Lime color this would not of happened.:tongue: http://www.brooklinefirecompany.com/
 
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rmciottijr said:
How they work is the first one to activate it get the green for a given amount time.
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Sometimes, sometimes not. They can be and are programmed differently dependent on the needs and design of the intersection. Who if anyone gets a green is not universally standard. We have several lights where I live that do go all red, mostly because these are two 6 lane roads joining together and it is safer to stop all traffic.
 
rmciottijr said:
The one with the green light. The other guy could be in a lot of trouble they are charging drivers and officers with heavy criminal sentences now. This could of all been avoided if just one of them filed a flight plan.
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As we discussed before Illinois (or some towns) now have a law that emergency vehicles have to stop at lights at stop signs because we've arrived at the era where the competence of the average driver requires it. (Town lost lawsuits where cars hit emergency vehicles running full lights and sirens.) Nobody else stops at stop signs, lest they get rear-ended.
 
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I can't tell if the ladder had his lights on. The pumper clearly had his emergency signals on.

The pumper should have "paused" at the intersection until the driver was sure he was clear, but if the ladder truck was not running with lights and siren then he should have yielded to the pumper.
 
jesse said:
I'm confused...We need a third-party to pick a side, anyone?
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I'm on your side. if you pretend you are driving each truck the one that didn't roll didn't have anything to the right while the other did.

And its possible that he had a green light. But either way they both should have noticed each other.

TMetzinger said:
but if the ladder truck was not running with lights and siren then he should have yielded to the pumper.
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I'm pretty sure I see lights.
 
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