Now it’s Airbus’ time under the microscope

Lachlan said:
Time for airliners to be fitted with “red handles”?
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Some space vehicles are heavy and manage to have ballistic parachutes. I wonder if there has been any research on retrofitting a commercial jet with one.
 
Rein Hart said:
Some space vehicles are heavy and manage to have ballistic parachutes. I wonder if there has been any research on retrofitting a commercial jet with one.
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Probably not worth it. Turbine engines are very reliable and planes can fly on one engine without many issues. In their rare event of a dual flameout, we can usually get one relighted if there’s sufficient altitude and if it’s not completely destroyed
 
jordane93 said:
Probably not worth it. Turbine engines are very reliable and planes can fly on one engine without many issues. In their rare event of a dual flameout, we can usually get one relighted if there’s sufficient altitude and if it’s not completely destroyed
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Logical thinking. There’s always corner cases like the Mexico challenger 601 crash recently where both engine might have flamed out or flat spin with t tail non recovery from 40,000 feet. Parachute would of been applicable.
 
Rein Hart said:
Some space vehicles are heavy and manage to have ballistic parachutes. I wonder if there has been any research on retrofitting a commercial jet with one.
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There was once a animation of a concept of a jettisonable cabin for an airliner. My Google-Fu failed me, I couldn't find it though.
 
Rein, no, the Quantas A380 issue was caused by a faulty inexpensive part that spewed oil... the oil puddled and exploded. Altogether different. This string's A380 Engine failure however is similar to the infamous Sioux City United Flight. The guys who "flew" this plane deserve every medal known to mankind. The story of how people survived Flight 232 blows me away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232
 
AGLyme said:
Rein, no, the Quantas A380 issue was caused by a faulty inexpensive part that spewed oil... the oil puddled and exploded. Altogether different. This string's A380 Engine failure however is similar to the infamous Sioux City United Flight. The guys who "flew" this plane deserve every medal known to mankind. The story of how people survived Flight 232 blows me away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232
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Those guys refused to give up. Their flying by throttle reminds me of JAL123, but 232 had much better outcome.
 
Katamarino said:
Always good to identify the issue and work out repairs before you have 2 airplanes crash and kill everyone on board.
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Where is the line? If we ground every model of the accident plane anytime something crashes we might as well recycle these damn things and stop flying altogether.
 
Tarheelpilot said:
Totally unavoidable... such a sad outcome. Those poor pilots ... too bad they didn’t have a handle to pull.
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sorry, totally avoidable. they screwed the pooch in more than one way. two unprofessional pilots. good thing they did not take anybody with them.
 
Rein Hart said:
I recall an A380 from Australia had an uncontained engine failure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_32

I wonder if the incident in the article was caused by same issue.
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Had that plane's flight crew been less well-trained (and less traditionally trained), that plane would have been in the ocean with all souls lost. Captain de Crispigny and crew flew that plane in spite of the automation, not because of it. Hell, they landed with one engine stuck at cruise power.

And (of course) Air France managed to put an A350 into the Atlantic with no inherent flaws other than (1) iced-up pitot probes, and (2) flight control logic that confounded two presumably-trained pilots.

Not happy with the issues on the 737 Max, but reasonably-qualified crews would not have lost either Max (for that matter, the first occurrence would never have happened, because they'd have properly written-up the hardware failure on the preceding flight).
 
SCCutler said:
Had that plane's flight crew been less well-trained (and less traditionally trained), that plane would have been in the ocean with all souls lost. Captain de Crispigny and crew flew that plane in spite of the automation, not because of it. Hell, they landed with one engine stuck at cruise power.

And (of course) Air France managed to put an A350 into the Atlantic with no inherent flaws other than (1) iced-up pitot probes, and (2) flight control logic that confounded two presumably-trained pilots.

Not happy with the issues on the 737 Max, but reasonably-qualified crews would not have lost either Max (for that matter, the first occurrence would never have happened, because they'd have properly written-up the hardware failure on the preceding flight).
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It was an A-330
 
Rein Hart said:
Some space vehicles are heavy and manage to have ballistic parachutes. I wonder if there has been any research on retrofitting a commercial jet with one.
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I be curious what space vehicle that has a ballistic parachute is in the same order of magnitude of the “heaviness” of an airbus.
 
AGLyme said:
Rein, no, the Quantas A380 issue was caused by a faulty inexpensive part that spewed oil... the oil puddled and exploded. Altogether different. This string's A380 Engine failure however is similar to the infamous Sioux City United Flight. The guys who "flew" this plane deserve every medal known to mankind. The story of how people survived Flight 232 blows me away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232
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That was a amazing read. Talk about working the problem and not giving up.
 
mwagg737 said:
True, but engine problems doomed the L10-11

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I don't see the A380 being "doomed" by the engine problems. L-1011 was a different time. Plus the L-1011 had several other factors into why it wasn't a mass selling aircraft.
 
midwestpa24 said:
I would suggest Darwin had more to do with that crash than Newton.
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That crash happened in my airspace. Darwin Award for sure. It affected that controller all the way until she retired. You never forget about being the last person some talks to.
 
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