New Information On MH 370

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U.S. officials have an "indication" the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner may have crashed in the Indian Ocean and is moving the USS Kidd to the area to begin searching.

"We have an indication the plane went down in the Indian Ocean," the senior official said.

Translation - Our top secret U.S. military spy satellite network tracked the entire flight from takeoff to crash. We've known this all along, but were unsure of how or when to reveal this information without compromising global security.

http://gma.yahoo.com/us-officials-i...cean-170011087--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1
 
Interesting theory... What if the flight actually was hijacked and headed westbound for 4 hours towards Pakistan/Afghanistan/Iran/whatever, and the passengers eventually overcame the hijackers and Flight93'ed the thing into the ocean?
 
Neal Howard said:
Interesting theory... What if the flight actually was hijacked and headed westbound for 4 hours towards Pakistan/Afghanistan/Iran/whatever, and the passengers eventually overcame the hijackers and Flight93'ed the thing into the ocean?
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That's probably a better theory than mine. I speculated that we tracked it and determined that it would be better to shoot it down than allow it to reach it's target.
 
Another possible translation "Our subs or sub hunters heard the underwater pinger in the Indian Ocean".
 
Noticed the "data reporting system" was turned off at 1:07 AM and the transponder was turned off at 1:21 AM.

Looks like a deliberate act?
 
If someone in that cockpit wanted the airplane to never be found . . . turning everything off and heading West then Southwest takes it to the most desolate spot on the planet - there is literally nothing between Asia and Antarctica - a few islands, some rookeries of birds and whatnot, even whales don't swim down there - there is NOTHING there- look at a map.

You have 7 hours of fuel - you take off and head NE on your route of flight for an hour or so. Then you disable the other person in the cockpit, turn everything off, and head West til you clear the Straits of Malucca and then turn to a heading of 225 or so - there is nothing out there. Not a single SHRED of civilization except perhaps a French weather station or two . . . or at least there used to be.
 
oilburner said:
Noticed the "data reporting system" was turned off at 1:07 AM and the transponder was turned off at 1:21 AM.

Looks like a deliberate act?
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Or a fire in the electronics bay started by a recirc fan. I've had one of those burn up on me already on the 777. I have about 5000 hours now roughly on the 777 and I have no idea how to turn off the data reporting equipment. There's no switch for that in the cockpit - no reason for one. Possibly there's a circuit breaker for it but more likely it's grouped with the others down in the E&E compartment.
 
JOhnH said:
... I speculated that we tracked it and determined that it would be better to shoot it down than allow it to reach it's target.
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Yup, lots of "targets" out there in the middle of the Indian Ocean :rolleyes:
 
comanchepilot said:
If someone in that cockpit wanted the airplane to never be found . . . turning everything off and heading West then Southwest takes it to the most desolate spot on the planet - there is literally nothing between Asia and Antarctica - a few islands, some rookeries of birds and whatnot, even whales don't swim down there - there is NOTHING there- look at a map.
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*cough* writing this while sitting in my living room in between asia and antarctica. Tomorrow the girls are going down to spot that is good for whale watching.
 
Silvaire said:
Yup, lots of "targets" out there in the middle of the Indian Ocean :rolleyes:
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Are you sure there are no targets within a 4 or 5 hour range of their last know position? There were no aircraft carriers (ours or anyone elses) between China and Austrailia? No military bases or major cities that might have ****ed off a terrorist? Four hours at 500kts gives a 4,000 nautical mile diameter. Heck, Henning could probably run that thing LOP and make it a 6 or 7k diameter.

Do you have some information that nobody else has?
 
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JHW said:
*cough* writing this while sitting in my living room in between asia and antarctica. Tomorrow the girls are going down to spot that is good for whale watching.
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Looking at Google Earth... Oz appears considerably southeast of "Asia" (especially the Thai/Malaysian peninsula and the Malacca Strait and the island of Sumatra. South/southwest of that region, there is pretty much diddly squat between there and Antarctica.
 
JOhnH said:
There were no aircraft carriers (ours or anyone elses) between China and Austrailia?
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Now ya went and done it....

I know you meant "as a target" but now people are going to start speculating about whether or not it might be possible to land a 777 on a carrier.

Henning - have you ever done that?
 
Art VanDelay said:
Or a fire in the electronics bay started by a recirc fan. I've had one of those burn up on me already on the 777. I have about 5000 hours now roughly on the 777 and I have no idea how to turn off the data reporting equipment. There's no switch for that in the cockpit - no reason for one. Possibly there's a circuit breaker for it but more likely it's grouped with the others down in the E&E compartment.
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Are you suggesting the loss of the aircraft could be due to a fire? Perhaps something like:
A fire in fuselage or cockpit kills or causes the transponder and the comm and data reporting radios to stop transmitting in the sequence they appear to have gone dead. They try to turn back but the fire eventually renders most of the panel electronics inoperative, including flight controls, leaving the aircraft in a state so it literally has "gone west".
 
airguy said:
Now ya went and done it....

I know you meant "as a target" but now people are going to start speculating about whether or not it might be possible to land a 777 on a carrier.
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Between the B-52 folding wing mod and the 727 COD, Boeing has tremendous experience with making large aircraft carrier capable.



:D
 
no on wis going to steal a jet to use for something when you can "steal" a 707 etc much more easily by leasing it and never giving it back.
 
JHW said:
*cough* writing this while sitting in my living room in between asia and antarctica. Tomorrow the girls are going down to spot that is good for whale watching.
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You getting the Travel Air down there or is it staying back in Peoria for your return?
 
Jim Logajan said:
Are you suggesting the loss of the aircraft could be due to a fire? Perhaps something like:
A fire in fuselage or cockpit kills or causes the transponder and the comm and data reporting radios to stop transmitting in the sequence they appear to have gone dead. They try to turn back but the fire eventually renders most of the panel electronics inoperative, including flight controls, leaving the aircraft in a state so it literally has "gone west".
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Xpndr,comms and datalink are all in a large compartment right underneath the cockpit. You do the math.
 
I believe the Malaysian plane is by now somewhere in South America blending in with traffic in the area, no need to hide it.

This smell to me like a terrorist plot in progress. Hope I am wrong because I would hate them getting away a second time. Like on 911 there is no way of recognizing this plane from others in radar or even on the ground. Is probably repainted and Mode S transponder reprogrammed to one on a boneyard including name plate. Even if it is in view of a CIA agent how he would identify it.

José
 
If no trace is ever found of MH370 it would be the new record holder. A 707 disappeared in 1979 but that was a cargo plane. In 1962 a Lockheed L1049 disappeared with 107 people onboard.
 
Silvaire said:
If no trace is ever found of MH370 it would be the new record holder. A 707 disappeared in 1979 but that was a cargo plane. In 1962 a Lockheed L1049 disappeared with 107 people onboard.
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TIGHAR can find it.:lol:
 
Piloto said:
I believe the Malaysian plane is by now somewhere in South America blending in with traffic in the area, no need to hide it.

This smell to me like a terrorist plot in progress. Hope I am wrong because I would hate them getting away a second time. Like on 911 there is no way of recognizing this plane from others in radar or even on the ground. Is probably repainted and Mode S transponder reprogrammed to one on a boneyard including name plate. Even if it is in view of a CIA agent how he would identify it.

José
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I don't think they had the fuel load to make South America.
 
Art VanDelay said:
I don't think they had the fuel load to make South America.
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No need to. They refueled somewhere in the India Ocean early in the morning when nobody has heard about the MH370 3000nm away. From there they flew to Africa where nobody cares about the MH370. Repainted and reprogrammed the Mode S transponder and flew to South America. Next stop: NYC

In the meantime everyone is focused on the Malaysian waters. Malaysian Airlines has 17 B777ER, why anyone would suspect about this one 3000nm from the search area

José
 
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Piloto said:
No need to. They refueled somewhere in the India Ocean early in the morning when nobody has heard about the MH370 3000nm away. From there they flew to Africa where nobody cares about the MH370. Repainted and reprogrammed the Mode S transponder and flew to South America. Next stop: NYC

In the meantime everyone is focused on the Malaysian waters. Malaysian Airlines has 17 B777ER, why anyone would suspect about this one 3000nm from the search area

José
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How did they pay for a full bag of gas for a triple 7 ? Amex or visa ?
 
Art VanDelay said:
I know firsthand that only works at a location where the company has an account. You go somewhere else they want real money. Plus it creates a paper trail.
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And would certainly draw attention to an unscheduled arrival and departure. That's what, about $150,000 worth of gas? And whoever refueled the plane surely would have spoken up by now...
 
Art VanDelay said:
I know firsthand that only works at a location where the company has an account. You go somewhere else they want real money. Plus it creates a paper trail.
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You are right they went to a location where there is a bunch of Malaysian planes and they have an account. This way you do not raise any suspictions. By the time Malaysian accountants receive the invoice the plane is long time gone. Next stop: Somalia, where your buddy pirates can give you a hand with the plane.

José
 
Piloto said:
You are right they went to a location where there is a bunch of Malaysian planes and they have an account. This way you do not raise any suspictions. By the time Malaysian accountants receive the invoice the plane is long time gone. Next stop: Somalia, where your buddy pirates can give you a hand with the plane.

José
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Where is a place a) capable of servicing a 777, b) going pump 30,000 gallons of jet a on credit, c) has a bunch Malaysian planes, d) doesn't track arrivals and departures, and e) no one is going to be suspicious of an airliner that shows up for gas full of dead passengers?
 
Art VanDelay said:
How did they pay for a full bag of gas for a triple 7 ? Amex or visa ?
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There was a hijacking back in the eighties where the flight attendant ended up paying for the fuel in Beirut with her Shell card.
 
Lindberg said:
Where is a place a) capable of servicing a 777, b) going pump 30,000 gallons of jet a on credit, c) has a bunch Malaysian planes, d) doesn't track arrivals and departures, and e) no one is going to be suspicious of an airliner that shows up for gas full of dead passengers?
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If this was a piracy, as I believe it was, they didn't just do it on the spur of the moment. They have probably been planning this for years. They could have brought in barrels of Jet fuel in fishing boats a few at a time with nobody noticing anything. A couple of hand trucks and a manual pump and some strong backs and you have a full 777.
 
Lindberg said:
Where is a place a) capable of servicing a 777, b) going pump 30,000 gallons of jet a on credit, c) has a bunch Malaysian planes, d) doesn't track arrivals and departures, and e) no one is going to be suspicious of an airliner that shows up for gas full of dead passengers?
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A plane on a ferry flight to an MRO for maintenance does not need to stop at a gate for dropping passengers, just at the ramp waiting to be refueled. It happens every day and is not on a flight schedule.

José
 
Piloto said:
A plane on a ferry flight to an MRO for maintenance does not need to stop at a gate for dropping passengers, just at the ramp waiting to be refueled. It happens every day and is not on a flight schedule.

José
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Yeah, and the fuel-truck driver didn't notice that the plane wasn't empty, but full of dead people. And he just hasn't yet realized that he refueled the plane that everyone in the world is looking for. :no:

Oh, and the controllers weren't the least bit suspicious of a 777 arriving and departing VFR.
 
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