New hotness: TAA on ILS

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I just got around to looking at the recent updates for my "alternate" (I live on a grass strip, so my IFR backup plans is to go the an nearby airport that has an ILS).

They've added a version of the approach with a TAA. This means no more hold-in-loos for me, there's now a NoPT entry that you can actually use (unlike the silly one that starts over the GSO airport before).

http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1411/05683ILDY28.PDF

Of course, they've also added a pair of LPV's down to 200' as well last summer so it's not quite as cool as it might have been.
 
When you can get down to the FAF altitude 30 NM out, that's gotta be flat land!
 
BillTIZ said:
When you can get down to the FAF altitude 30 NM out, that's gotta be flat land!
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Actually, you can't go to 2600 just 3400.

So, Statesville has an ILS? I used to drop off a NASCAR owner/driver there sometimes after the Daytona 500 on the way back to Ohio. I remember a VOR approach from the west off BZM. I told him I thought there'd be a market for using business aircraft to position drivers and crew for the various races. Darned if he didn't learn to fly there and do just that, starting up a company and doing the flying himself instead of driving the cars!

dtuuri
 
More of these ILS/TAA are showing up all the time. We have had ours for a while at KUZA and KILM has had theirs even longer. The Y version of the ILS has the TAA and the Z version uses conventional Navaids to get to the approach. They have to break the procedures into a Y and a Z because an MSA and a TAA can't be charted on the same approach. This is the wave of the future as airways and VOR's disappear.
 
BillTIZ said:
When you can get down to the FAF altitude 30 NM out, that's gotta be flat land!
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Statesville is in the piedmont section of NC. Terrain rises fairly quickly not far to the west.
 
dtuuri said:
Actually, you can't go to 2600 just 3400.

So, Statesville has an ILS? I used to drop off a NASCAR owner/driver there sometimes after the Daytona 500 on the way back to Ohio. I remember a VOR approach from the west off BZM. I told him I thought there'd be a market for using business aircraft to position drivers and crew for the various races. Darned if he didn't learn to fly there and do just that, starting up a company and doing the flying himself instead of driving the cars!

dtuuri
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Told yourself right out of a job? Lesson 1; don't ever challenge a NASCAR driver to go faster.
 
Richard said:
Told yourself right out of a job? Lesson 1; don't ever challenge a NASCAR driver to go faster.
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I didn't care for the guy, would never have worked for him. My boss's son changed his tires during races. He was a better driver than he turned out to be a pilot--balled up a Citation in Pittsburgh. Lucky to still be alive.

dtuuri
 
Statesville has had an ILS since I have been coming down here around 2005. Don't know when it went in. I live on NC26, due south of the airport right on the edge of the 700' class E transition hits the CLT class B. The two LPV's went in last summer and the TAA version of the ILS just a few weeks ago.

Kasey Kahne lives one cove over from our airpark. He shares a JetRanger with Greg Biffel and we know the pilot. The pilot won't go into Kahne's property at night so it's not uncommon to see the helo at the end of our runway shuffling people over to Kasey's.

At least Kasey doesn't set off firecrackers like Mike Waltrip (another one of our nearby neighbors.
 
The TAA's were put in for GPS approaches and I've seen them frequently there, but this is the first one I've come across for an ILS. This is really handy because I arrive SVH typically on a 230 heading and this means I can skip the hold-in-loo at PEGTE. The previous NoPT route from GSO VOR is pretty unusuable and if you ask ZTL for vectors to final, they still take you pretty far off course to line you up. Now I can go direct to PEGTE, descending once in the TAA and then turn inbound on the LOC (hopefully breaking out VFR and then I can cancel and run over to NC26 or else land at SVH and call for a neighbor to come get me).
 
flyingron said:
They've added a version of the approach with a TAA. This means no more hold-in-loos for me, there's now a NoPT entry that you can actually use (unlike the silly one that starts over the GSO airport before).
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So long as you arrive in the 180 sector labeled NoPT. Note there are no T legs to avoid the HILPT if arriving in the 180 degree sector not labeled NoPT.
 
Correct, as stated, I arrive on a 230 heading which puts me well into the NoPT sector of the TAA. All I need to do is turn right at PEGTE. As for the descent, I'm usually at 3400 anyhow. That appears to be the MVA because they typically clear me to that altitude and told to maintain until established way before I get near the approach.
 
John Collins said:
More of these ILS/TAA are showing up all the time. We have had ours for a while at KUZA and KILM has had theirs even longer. The Y version of the ILS has the TAA and the Z version uses conventional Navaids to get to the approach. They have to break the procedures into a Y and a Z because an MSA and a TAA can't be charted on the same approach. This is the wave of the future as airways and VOR's disappear.
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Sorry for perhaps missing the obvious, but why have a TAA-ILS, which I presume requires GPS, when you have an LPV (to the same mins) available? Is it for non-WAAS aircraft?
 
RotorDude said:
Sorry for perhaps missing the obvious, but why have a TAA-ILS, which I presume requires GPS, when you have an LPV (to the same mins) available? Is it for non-WAAS aircraft?
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The FAA doesn't think in those terms. The current program is to add TAAs to the ILS wherever ATC will accept TAAs.

Next week, they may have a different program.:)
 
RotorDude said:
Sorry for perhaps missing the obvious, but why have a TAA-ILS, which I presume requires GPS, when you have an LPV (to the same mins) available? Is it for non-WAAS aircraft?
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That would be the obvious case, yes. WAAS is not required to fly a TAA, so a non-WAAS-equipped aircraft could fly the TAA to the ILS.

I consider it a good thing!
 
Ghery said:
Thank you, Richard, for asking and thank you, McManigle, for answering. I was thinking Technically Advanced Aircraft and was having trouble understanding the relationship. :D
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Some acronyms do double-duty. Ever notice the that last "E" in the IM SAFE checklist is different in different FAA publications?
 
midlifeflyer said:
Some acronyms do double-duty. Ever notice the that last "E" in the IM SAFE checklist is different in different FAA publications?
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I haven't noticed. I know eating, what is the other one?
 
dmspilot said:
I haven't noticed. I know eating, what is the other one?
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Emotion.

Yeah I know. It should be covered by "Stress." Tell that to the folks who wrote the 2012 FAA-H-8083-21A - Helicopter Flying Handbook. It's particularly funny since they have one version "Eating" on the cover but the "Emotion" version in the section that discusses it.
 
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Pretty handy. KMEI started doing it as well
 
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