Nepotism?

Why does SWA make female aircrew wear ties?
 
"If I have to stop this plane young lady".........
"No, I'm not stopping - you should have done that before we left"

"Mom, please - turn that turn signal off"

"No, it's MY turn to pick the radio station"

"You did what with dad?"

"You're going too slow" "You're going too fast"

"You're not wearing that, are you?"
 
Privilege, not nepotism.

Nepotism is getting an airline job without interviewing because you are the pilots daughter.

Privilege is growing up with access to your parent’s plane so you can get the first 250 hours without dropping 70k on ATP.

That doesn’t diminish the work they had to do to get there, they had to grind out 1500 hours like everyone else.

Calling any qualified airline pilot out for nepotism when the regionals are taking anyone with a pulse and the majors are taking anyone who can survive regionals for a year or two is insulting to them, and a poor economic evaluation by you.
 
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MarkH said:
Privilege, not nepotism.

Nepotism is getting an airline job without interviewing because you are the pilots daughter.

Privilege is growing up with access to your parent’s plane so you can get the first 250 hours without dropping 70k on ATP.

That doesn’t diminish the work they had to do to get there, they had to grind out 1500 hours like everyone else.

Calling any qualified airline pilot out for nepotism when the regionals are taking anyone with a pulse and the majors are taking anyone who can survive regionals for a year or two is insulting to them, and a poor economic evaluation by you.
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Couldn’t agree more. I’ve worked with a daughter in a celebrated mom daughter duo. She is a third generation pro pilot. Definitely had a smooth ride into the industry but had to do all the work including all the crappy entry level jobs.
 
TCABM said:
Why does SWA make female aircrew wear ties?
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I'm not sure they do - at my gig we have a scarf-thingy (technical term!) option for the women, but many (most?) choose to wear the standard tie regardless.
 
Tarheelpilot said:
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve worked with a daughter in a celebrated mom daughter duo. She is a third generation pro pilot. Definitely had a smooth ride into the industry but had to do all the work including all the crappy entry level jobs.
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Did shoot for the sportsman's double?
 
kayoh190 said:
I'm not sure they do - at my gig we have a scarf-thingy (technical term!) option for the women, but many (most?) choose to wear the standard tie regardless.
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Do they have a little crossover bow tie thing or are they required to wear a full tie?
 
Tarheelpilot said:
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve worked with a daughter in a celebrated mom daughter duo. She is a third generation pro pilot. Definitely had a smooth ride into the industry but had to do all the work including all the crappy entry level jobs.
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Nothing wrong with help getting your foot in the door but every opportunity above that should require that kind of effort and commitment just like everyone else.
 
MauleSkinner said:
Real pilots wear clip-ons so they can hang their tie from the sun shade rail to remind them that they’re cross feeding.:rolleyes:
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Real real pilots don’t wear any ties especially across the Atlantic;)
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Do South West pilots still get to wear those cool looking leather flight jackets instead of suit coats?
 
luvflyin said:
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/...aughter-pilots-breaking-barriers-sky-87746887
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Morgan3820 said:
Nepotism? Don’t think so. Not as I understand the definition of nepotism. But she probably did get some help navigating the wickets.
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I know it doesn’t fit the real definition of nepotism, but UPS had a “no nepotism” hiring restriction, where if you had a relative working at UPS, you were disqualified from applying there.

I can’t tell you how many people I’ve flown with at my carrier who had a parent or sibling at Big Brown and therefore couldn’t apply there.

Seemed like an absolutely ridiculous rule, and thankfully they did away with that a few years back.
 
I have no problem with nephewtism. If you have the hours and can pass the checkrides — who cares.
 
Groundpounder said:
I'll probably regret asking this, but what would you use as a metric to hire a pilot?
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Nepotism. ;)
Seriously, though, I’d have to know them a little bit and do some flying with them. I’ve worked with a lot of type-rated ATPs that I wouldn’t consider hiring, even with thousands of hours and multiple Part 135 jet checkrides under their belts that can pass a checkride, but every six or twelve months it takes three days of training to get them to a passable V1 cut or other non-normal event (and even some normal ones, like landing in the first 3000-4000 feet of runway.) They simply don’t care about any level of proficiency that might apply in day-to-day operations.

I’d also need to have some indication of their work ethic, part of which ties to their proficiency level, but in the corporate world, are they going to either stand and watch or go out and smoke a cigarette while the passengers and I load bags? I’ve had both of those happen. Not acceptable in my little world.

If we’re honest with ourselves, things of that nature are some of the reasons that nepotism and/or the “old boy network” exist…the pilots are known quantities before they’re hired.
 
Sluggo63 said:
No ties?

Real pilots change into their PJs climbing through 10,000 feet and stay that way until TOD. ;)
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Sluggo63 said:
No ties?

Real pilots change into their PJs climbing through 10,000 feet and stay that way until TOD. ;)
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You cargo guys have it easy! Best I can do is throw a sweater on
 
jordane93 said:
You cargo guys have it easy! Best I can do is throw a sweater on
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I’d have to say, the best part isn’t the PJs, but being able to go to the back to stretch or pee whenever we want without all the extra hassle.
 
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