Need some city advice, please. [na]

I gotta tell you, hell is not full of fire and brimstone; it's full of ice and snow. To hell with Denver.
No snow and ice today, in the middle of February too.

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Ha! No kidding. People in Denver and the suburbs think I live halfway to Kansas. I'll freely admit that there are good points and bad points to living out here. When I bought the place I thought I wanted to try being a country mouse after having spent the earlier part of my life in the suburbs and the city. I don't think I thought it through very well. There is a town about 5 miles away which, at the time, only had a mom and pop grocery store and a hardware store. Now Safeway (and even Walmart) have moved in so it's a little more convenient. Otherwise, the edge of the Denver Metro area is about a 20 minute drive. I would say that the main drawback is that to go anywhere or do anything you are driving quite a ways so it helps to be self-entertaining. I was glad when DSL arrived. If you have a spouse and family, they need to buy into it too.

I pretty well lucked out with my house and where I live. It's got enough people that you can get what you need without driving too far, but you're far enough away from everything that, well, you're pretty far away from everything. :)

I definitely didn't think it through very much, and went with my gut. Fortunately, it turned out well.

I wouldn't say I do a great job of maintaining my land. I mow down the native vegetation a few times a summer but it takes a good 3-4 hours on a lawn tractor each time. It isn't required, though. For me, it was a good thing at the time but I know I don't want to stay out here forever. I'm getting ready to move to my retirement condo in SFO now that I see how it pretty much takes care of itself when I am not there. ;)

Just ask my neighbors - I do a terrible job. :rolleyes2:

The mowing isn't bad, I enjoy the couple hours on the riding tractor it takes once or twice a month. But I have some terrain that goes along with my property that I can't mow, and that creates the problem.

The best advice I can give: If you can't mow a piece of your land, make sure it's something that will take care of itself.
 
That one is called Rocky Mountain Airpark. The lots there are very expensive, though. You're not getting a house for $1,500/month.

I believe the President of Jeppesen lives there. 'Nuff said? ;)

(He does have a gorgeous house with a nice hangar attached, I must say!)

It's a neat place to visit and Pete Vinton is doing a good job slowly building up it's "stature", I hear. I don't know Pete well, but have met him a couple of times. He's supposedly putting in a sprinkler system for the grass runway this winter, I heard thru the grapevine. The grass is a bit "bumpy" in summer out there right now.

Snow removal from the runway is non-existant in the winter, and I met a guy at the gas pumps at KAPA who'd moved his 180 over to KAPA for the winter so he could continue to fly it...

Trivia: The person in this photo is one of my aircraft LLC co-owners...
http://rockymountainairpark.net/properties.htm

And yup... that's my airplane in the Marketing slick photo...
http://rockymountainairpark.net/4web-front.pdf

If you're really bored and want the story behind how our airplane ended up in the photos, send a PM. :)
 
What's with this "too hot" stuff? I gotta tell you, hell is not full of fire and brimstone; it's full of ice and snow. To hell with Denver.

Of the cities on your list, give me Phoenix. Now if the coast near Houston had a decent beach ...

Think of the Gulf of Mexico as a toilet bowl with the water swirling around. It starts out clean near Florida, and ends up "dirty" south of Port A. ;)
 
Thanks Steve, you're a good friend. :rofl:

Seriously, though, a lot depends on what you intend to do with your "free" time.

A/C and swimming pools were invented for the heat. When it comes down to it one really doesn't spend time in it (the heat) any more than one would in the sub-freezing temperatures in the higher latitudes and altitudes.

The Houston area offers a large variety of activities, from ballet and symphony to rodeo and rock concerts, like any large metropolitan area. Plus you would be close to the source of good seafood and other great southern cuisine. There's a fairly high level of GA activity year round, too.

If you're just looking for a location to go to work from, any place would do that allows for the commute. If you're looking for a particular quality of life there's more to consider than just the scenery.

Just my 2¢

disclaimer: I don't live in TX but it's only 90 minutes away by air. At least the east side anyway. The west side is more like 6 hrs away. :cool2:
 
As an overweight country boy living in Houston, I can say.. hell yea it gets hot.

And.. Houston has 2.1 million in the city proper, and Harris County has 6 million. So. yea.. buncha peeps live here.

BUT.. cost of living is excellent compared to the other two. For 1500/mo you will get a LOT more house or a LOT more land than you would in either of the other location. Houston may not have zoning, but almost all of the smaller towns surrounding it do. And, MANY of the homeowners associations in many of the subdivisions have restrictive covenants/deed restrictions that take the place of zoning. If you live in a subdivided neighborhood you will be under the effect of zoning-type regulations, just not at the hand of the City of Houston.

No state income tax. Sales Tax is capped at 8.5% and many groceries are exempt. Base State sales tax is 6.25, and the localities can add to that up to the max of 8.5%. Property taxes can be tricky, and school districts, local municipalities and others may have their own, but you dont pay property taxes on personally owned boats, planes, jet skis, cars, etc (Hint: dont incorporate your plane). Property AND Sales taxes are deductible on the 1040 Schedule A (since we dont have state income tax)

I live on the Nasa side of town, 25 miles from downtown. I know Continental pilots who live down here, as well as some of their maintenance folks (they have a major maintenance facility at Hobby). The pilots have no problem getting to IAH in all but the crappiest of days. My inbound rush commute (when I made it, was usually 45 mins, but that was never at the worst). If you try to drive the inbound rush at its worst from where I am you could see an hour commute to downtown, but I cant for the life of me think of any situation I couldn't make it there to IAH in 90 mins. That being said, I'd still recommend north.

A LARGE number of the Continental guys live north.. in Montgomery County in places like "The Woodlands", "Willis", "Conroe", or Northwest Harris County in places like "Tomball" or "Spring". "Montgomery", "Magnolia" or other small towns in the north/northwest of IAH region are all decent places. "The Woodlands" is a master planned subdivision with a massive population (for a subdivision, its really 5 subdivisions) and 2 or 3 high schools. Conroe is a CITY in its own right, Tomball is a medium sized town/now a suburb, and Willis is what I would call a small suburban town.

My "Houston" experience consists of living 20 miles off the coast, 25 miles from down town, 5-10 minutes from NASA. I may go MONTHS without driving into Houston proper, because everything I need for work/play/shopping/eating is all where I live (I dont work at IAH).. and I've got a few refined tastes. Downtown/Inner Houston is where I'd go for major sports events, fine arts events or world class tertiary medical care (and most of the hospitals in the burbs are pretty darn good too)

You could say the same thing about The Woodlands or Conroe. So.. You dont have to worry about the 6 million people in Harris County, just the few hundred or dozen thousand in your neck of the woods.

We rarely get snow. Snow that sticks is even rarer. If you live south of I-10, you can count the number of hard freeze days in a decade on two hands. Thats right.. I count less than 10 days in 10 years where the pipes might freeze. And we had 2 or 3 of them this winter. Unfortunately we also dont deal with ice real well. The way the north shuts down for a blizzard? We do that for a hard freeze. They dont de-ice at the airport either. I can ride on my motorcycle in December and February without heavy duty thermal gear most days.

The flip side is summer is HOT, and its HUMID. Working A/C is a must. We've got Lake Houston, Lake Conroe, Lake Livingston, Galveston Bay and the Gulf for boating/fishing. We have small airports all over if you want to play in small planes on your day off (CXO, AXH, EFD, GLS, DWH, La Porte, Anahuac,LVJ, LBX, Sport Flyers, Polly Ranch)

If you seriously decide to move to IAH, I'd snag an apt or rent house near the Woodlands or Kingwood (suburb of Houston, NE of IAH) for 6 mos to a year and then go from there with regards to finding something more permanent after networking and learning the lay of the land.
 
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What's with this "too hot" stuff? I gotta tell you, hell is not full of fire and brimstone; it's full of ice and snow. To hell with Denver.

Of the cities on your list, give me Phoenix. Now if the coast near Houston had a decent beach ...


Ha Ken, you've never lived in Denver have you? A pretty typical Jan or Feb day is 55F and sunny with a real feel temp of 65F due to the sun's intensity. Yeah, they get a snow dump or cold temps now and then, but do you really want to put blocks of ice in your pool during the summer in Phoenix or endure the absolute humidity and suckiness of Houston?
 
I lived in the Denver area in the late 1970's (Aurora, Littleton, Arvada, Louisville). It was great at the time for a while. I met my wife there, bought our first home, and had our first child. But, for me, something was still missing. I like my space, don't like heavy traffic nor crowds. I loved the sunshine and I would say that is what I miss the most.

Now, I have acreage in the NW, and am at least 150 miles from any population center in excess of 100K. I love it, but am beginning to realize how much work it takes to keep up with it.

What I did not like in Denver were those days with very low humidity (like 5%). The skin would just shrivel. The wife would run humidifiers all the time, and I did not like them. I would tend to get sinus issues from the dryness. Living in the NW, I don't have any of those issues any more. But, did I say that I miss the sunshine?
 
Matt - which college/university is your wife looking at? On the north side, there are three - Univ of Colorado (main campus Boulder), Univ of Northern Colorado (UNC) in Greeley and Colorado State Univ (CSU) in Ft Collins. South of CU in Golden is Colorado School of Mines ("Mines"). And what does she teach or is she in grad school?
 
Matt - which college/university is your wife looking at? On the north side, there are three - Univ of Colorado (main campus Boulder), Univ of Northern Colorado (UNC) in Greeley and Colorado State Univ (CSU) in Ft Collins. South of CU in Golden is Colorado School of Mines ("Mines"). And what does she teach or is she in grad school?

Letsseeherenow...CU Boulder is a sciopolitical organization with some educational elements...UNC is a barnyard that is losing it's common sense and CSU might be a useful institution. Now we come to Mines...its the only place worth a tinker's "damn!" not that I'm biased or anything...

Then there's Metro & CU Denver downtown, Regis just west of downtown, DU south of downtown and various CCs and minor religious affiliated institutions of higher education hereabouts.
 
People around here call it DIA (Denver International Airport). If you call it DEN no one will know what you are talking about unless they are a pilot.

That's good to know. It took me a while to figure out what the hell DIA is...I don't want to be "that guy" if we end up moving there, though. :)

No snow and ice today, in the middle of February too.

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Gezz, that's nicer than Dulles was today!

A LARGE number of the Continental guys live north.. in Montgomery County in places like "The Woodlands", "Willis", "Conroe", or Northwest Harris County in places like "Tomball" or "Spring". "Montgomery", "Magnolia" or other small towns in the north/northwest of IAH region are all decent places. "The Woodlands" is a master planned subdivision with a massive population (for a subdivision, its really 5 subdivisions) and 2 or 3 high schools. Conroe is a CITY in its own right, Tomball is a medium sized town/now a suburb, and Willis is what I would call a small suburban town.

My "Houston" experience consists of living 20 miles off the coast, 25 miles from down town, 5-10 minutes from NASA. I may go MONTHS without driving into Houston proper, because everything I need for work/play/shopping/eating is all where I live (I dont work at IAH).. and I've got a few refined tastes. Downtown/Inner Houston is where I'd go for major sports events, fine arts events or world class tertiary medical care (and most of the hospitals in the burbs are pretty darn good too)

You could say the same thing about The Woodlands or Conroe. So.. You dont have to worry about the 6 million people in Harris County, just the few hundred or dozen thousand in your neck of the woods.

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If you seriously decide to move to IAH, I'd snag an apt or rent house near the Woodlands or Kingwood (suburb of Houston, NE of IAH) for 6 mos to a year and then go from there with regards to finding something more permanent after networking and learning the lay of the land.

The Woodlands was suggested to us by several guys at my current company. Sounds like there are several who live there and work at IAH. Where ever we end up, we plan on renting first, at least for a short time, to make sure we find the right place for us before getting serious about buying. After our several moves in the last five years, we've learned quite well that we need to learn the lay of the land before getting into anything too permanent!

Matt - which college/university is your wife looking at? On the north side, there are three - Univ of Colorado (main campus Boulder), Univ of Northern Colorado (UNC) in Greeley and Colorado State Univ (CSU) in Ft Collins. South of CU in Golden is Colorado School of Mines ("Mines"). And what does she teach or is she in grad school?

Letsseeherenow...CU Boulder is a sciopolitical organization with some educational elements...UNC is a barnyard that is losing it's common sense and CSU might be a useful institution. Now we come to Mines...its the only place worth a tinker's "damn!" not that I'm biased or anything...

Then there's Metro & CU Denver downtown, Regis just west of downtown, DU south of downtown and various CCs and minor religious affiliated institutions of higher education hereabouts.

She's going back to school for meteorology. Her first degree was, like mine, in journalism, but she's always wanted to study wx...so now she is. I think Metro is the front runner right now; she's trying to get more information on the place as neither of us had ever heard of it. Certainly if any one on here knows about it, we'd love the info!
 
She's going back to school for meteorology. Her first degree was, like mine, in journalism, but she's always wanted to study wx...so now she is. I think Metro is the front runner right now; she's trying to get more information on the place as neither of us had ever heard of it. Certainly if any one on here knows about it, we'd love the info!

Some of the best atmospheric and weather research is done out of the Denver/Boulder area. National Center for Atmospheric Research has their base in south Boulder is a beautiful IM Pei building. They have a P3 and several other aircraft based at BJC. A couple time each summer they show up with portable gear and aircraft at Fort Collins (FNL) and chase T-storms out on the plains. They also have one of the most powerful computers doing atmospheric modeling.
 
Letsseeherenow...CU Boulder is a sciopolitical organization with some educational elements...UNC is a barnyard that is losing it's common sense and CSU might be a useful institution. Now we come to Mines...its the only place worth a tinker's "damn!" not that I'm biased or anything...

Then there's Metro & CU Denver downtown, Regis just west of downtown, DU south of downtown and various CCs and minor religious affiliated institutions of higher education hereabouts.

LOL you nailed it. One comment from an Engineer friend who went to CU Denver, the cheaper little cousin of CU Boulder... "My diploma doesn't say which one I went to." Something to keep in mind.

Mines is by far the hardest math/science curriculum in the State. That surprises people, since they expect it to be CU. Their entrance requirements are higher too.
 
The Woodlands was suggested to us by several guys at my current company. Sounds like there are several who live there and work at IAH.

Third that. That's where my folks were when they lived there. I called it Spring, TX because you can find Spring on a map, but The Woodlands and Spring aren't (exactly) the same thing.

She's going back to school for meteorology. Her first degree was, like mine, in journalism, but she's always wanted to study wx...so now she is. I think Metro is the front runner right now; she's trying to get more information on the place as neither of us had ever heard of it. Certainly if any one on here knows about it, we'd love the info!

I'm an allum of Metro but never finished. Their Aviation department is virtually the only one left in Colorado and is the only in the Metro Denver area, ever. I took extra Meteorology courses as electives back in the 90s, it was an excellent program back then. Zyola, another host on our podcast just went back to schooln as an adult returning to school in later life at Metro. If you need contacts to talk to there, I can ask her.

Frankly Denver is overloaded with Meteorologists work-wise with NCAR and their proximity to Boulder (I think) tends to lean toward more hiring for a "real-job" out of CU Boulder than anywhere else later on.

As far as mixing majors goes, Denver is a highly sought after city for broadcast meteorologists, and most had to work many years elsewhere before moving here. Usually such exciting places as Omaha. You can count on one hand the number of locally grown broadcast meteorologists around here in TV and radio.

One particular TV meteorologist, Nick Carter, is an avid GA Aviation enthusiast and is originally from the Chicago area long ago. He moonlighted at Metro for a decade or more as a Meteorology professor and I had one class with him. He still flies out of a club at KAPA.

NCAR is tech-heavy with lots of Linux clusters replacing the supercomputers of old up there. Any crossover between meteorology and Computer Science/Engineering is likely to be a big plus if you want to stay here after college.

Other stuff... United ran Continental out of town on a rail when DIA was built. Continental wanted a heavy maintenance base here but couldn't afford the hangars. Denver refused to make them loans or any concessions. United owned the DIA build-out political process. This probably set the stage for the return of the new Frontier as it left Denver without a serious competitor to United. It's ironic that Southwest finally came, Frontier is barely holding their own against them, and Continental, is technically back now too. I'm fully expecting TWA to pop out of a gopher hole just to say hi, any second now. ;)

As far as the turboprop/regional world goes, Rocky Mtn Airways owned the skies here during regulated years, along with Aspen Airways. Some of the stuff they pioneered up in the rocks was downright impressive. Continental bought Rocky and utterly screwed it up, setting the stage for both Air Wisconsin and Mesa to become the replacements for a decade. Lynx popped out of Frontier and didn't survive. Now the mountain routes are a hodgepodge with no one airline really beating the other. But things like walking onto a flight of a Twin Otter or DASH-7 at DEN (Stapleton) and being able to basically walk to the slopes from the Avon STOLPort near Vail is a thing of the past. The airports moved out of the tiny valleys and got bigger with places like Hayden and Eagle expanding to handle bigger direct flights and RJs.

So if there's one "given" in DEN it's never-ending airline turmoil with United as the anchor that never disappears at DEN. As an ex-Continental employee, it's sure been interesting to watch it come full-circle. United has "TK" here also, as you probably know... Otherwise known by mere mortals as the Flight Training Center. Have had two or three friends working there as instructors over the years. Big sims. Almost always busy.

Sure I'm forgetting something. Toss out other questions...
 
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