Need a sign off for my student pilot certificate

[Tools]

Yah, the world has changed, No more taking the kid hanging on the perimeter fence for a ride (adults too).

Officially, there is the “discovery flight” which requires no background check.

ANYONE can ride along, just can’t give “training” (other than discovery flight) unless tsa requirements are met.

 

[Clip4]

I passed my PP written. I did a self study with Kings School. I understand I need to enroll in a flight school in order to have a sign off for a student certificate. I don't want to dive to into a flight school at the moment. I paid 65 to Aviator.nyc for the sign off via zoom, but I couldn't do a zoom on the internet. I have WhatsApp, WeChat and google. Is there any instructor out who can sign me off?

Ed Seaver

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The primary duty of a CFI signing the student pilot application on IACRA is to establish your identity. It is unlikely you will find an CFI to do this other than in person.

 

[M20K]

I did a self study with Kings School.

I thought the Online Schools gave you whatever signoff you needed? You did go through their school.

 

[midlifeflyer]

When I was in my 20's, I was sitting at the bar at a local tavern, and a pretty nice looking, well dressed girl came in and sat down beside me. She ordered a drink, and asked the bartender if she could watch the XYZ game/fight/something on the TV. He said no, she replied it would be easy, he just had to switch to some channel, he said they couldn't do it, she said never mind the drink and left. I was confused. He smiled, and said that that wasn't random. That there were some sort of regulations on what could or couldn't be played in a public setting, and she was most likely trying to set them up.

No idea if that's the OP's game, either as a person or some kind of a reporter, but it does read like that. I'm not a CFI, but pretty sure you have to either prove citizenship or a TSA clearance before starting flight training. If OP knows that, they might be trying to sneak around that requirement. The other possibility that comes to mind is that the OP is a youngster living w/ parents and trying to jump start the process. If that's it, be patient, stick with the process, you'll get up their soon enough.

The student pilot certificate vetting is an identity check and separate from the formal TSA citizenship vetting which has to be done before flight training begins.

 

[Gary Ward]

Look what dug up from 10 years ago.

 

[DaleB]

Hold on a minute, you need a license to do this?

That's what I asked the FAA guy who ramp checked me.

I was a student pilot returning from a flight with my CFI. I shut down on the ramp, and the CFI sees a guy walking toward us. Turns out, he'd forgotten his wallet and he knows the guy is a FSDO guy so he could get dinged for not having his cert and I could probably get dinged for carrying a passenger on a student pilot cert. So he slips out the door and goes around the back of the airplane while I greet Mr. FSDO.

He hands me his card; I look at it and say, "Oh, FAA, huh? Say, do I need to have some sort of license or something to fly this thing?" FSDO guy didn't even blink. He deadpans, "Well, no, it just means more paperwork for me if you don't."

Good times. My CFI got away without getting nabbed, I did have my cert, logbook, and solo signoff so that was all good, and I am now the only person I know who's ever actually been ramp checked. Apparently he was waiting for a 135 King Air that was expected in soon, and got bored.

 

[Kenny Phillips]

As others pointed out, the student pilot certificate was decoupled from the medical in 2016. When I got mine in 1981, the medical form had a student pilot certificate on the application that if you only needed the medical, your AME tore off and threw away. Student Pilot+ medical was "goldenrod" where the straight medical was white.

When I got my private in 1982, the certificate was white and still paper. It wasn't until the FAA made you stop using SSNs as certificate numbers that I got the plastic one.

I got the post 9/11 plastic one, with my SS on it, but of course, no picture.

 

[MauleSkinner]

All due respect to Charlie Tayor but they really need to put all the certs on one card.

There was a time when just my pilot certificate didn’t fit on one card. I can’t imagine mechanic, remote pilot, tower controller, parachute rigger, etc, all fitting on one card, much less the administrative mess if they take certificate action.

 

[schmookeeg]

There was a time when just my pilot certificate didn’t fit on one card. I can’t imagine mechanic, remote pilot, tower controller, parachute rigger, etc, all fitting on one card, much less the administrative mess if they take certificate action.

I like having 4 cards. It balances out all of the credit cards on the other half of the wallet It also impresses rubes occasionally, like those African despot generals who are festooned with medals and shoulder mops.

 

[midlifeflyer]

As others pointed out, the student pilot certificate was decoupled from the medical in 2016. When I got mine in 1981, the medical form had a student pilot certificate on the application that if you only needed the medical, your AME tore off and threw away. Student Pilot+ medical was "goldenrod" where the straight medical was white.

I'm not completely sure but I think the goldenrod went away when MedXpress came along in 2007 and AMEs just printed it out via computer. In the picture I grabbed earlier, I notice that "First" class is in the title font; in the goldenrod, it was a blank line and typed in.

 

[midwestpa24]

I am now the only person I know who's ever actually been ramp checked. Apparently he was waiting for a 135 King Air that was expected in soon, and got bored.

Probably one of the only one's I know. When I was learning to fly many moons ago, there was always the specter of the FAA boogeyman out there ramp checking random pilots. In over 20 years of flying, I've never even seen an FAA inspector at an airport for a ramp check, much less had one happen. Seems like where I do hear of it, its a required Part 121/135 thing, or they were tipped off about something. Almost never do I hear of random checks.

Probably jinxed myself now, better go find my certificate.

 

[MauleSkinner]

Probably one of the only one's I know. When I was learning to fly many moons ago, there was always the specter of the FAA boogeyman out there ramp checking random pilots. In over 20 years of flying, I've never even seen an FAA inspector at an airport for a ramp check, much less had one happen. Seems like where I do hear of it, its a required Part 121/135 thing, or they were tipped off about something. Almost never do I hear of random checks.

Probably jinxed myself now, better go find my certificate.

I’ve been ramp checked dozens of times, sometimes because I was 135, sometimes just randomly.

Only once that I’m aware of simply because it was me that the Fed saw with the airplane.

But it’s possible that I’ve been flying for more morons, er, moons than you have.

 

[midwestpa24]

I’ve been ramp checked dozens of times, sometimes because I was 135, sometimes just randomly.

Only once that I’m aware of simply because it was me that the Fed saw with the airplane.

But it’s possible that I’ve been flying for more morons, er, moons than you have.

Possibly...probably?

As I mentioned, most of the ramp checks I have heard of were, shall we say, "targeted". I think the FSDO stays busy enough with regular work, they don't have the manpower or time to waste on a lot of randoms.

That being said, I always double check I haven't forgotten my wallet if I'm flying to an airport with a FSDO on site. I figure their home airport would be easy pickings if they need to hit a quota for the month.

 

[MauleSkinner]

That being said, I always double check I haven't forgotten my wallet if I'm flying to an airport with a FSDO on site. I figure their home airport would be easy pickings if they need to hit a quota for the month.

I got ramp checked at Wiley Post in Oklahoma City once…imagine that!

 

[pfarber]

Look what dug up from 10 years ago.

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2015... pfffttt youngsters these days..... now get off my lawn LOL

 

[pfarber]

In over 20 years of flying, I've never even seen an FAA inspector at an airport for a ramp check

They are to busy bothering 121 operators and schools.

Not sure if inspectors get a cut of the fines they write... but like $15k for an out of date piece of EE on a revenue flight? You did know that fire extinguishers simply stop working the day after they expire, right LOL

 

[midlifeflyer]

There was an ASI some years ago who had a reputation for hating flight schools and would ramp check their airplanes regularly. As I recall, he wrote up one airplane because the takeoff position marker on the trim wheel wasn’t bright enough.

But those cowboys are a rarity. And Part 91 light GA ramp checks one of those things that worries pilot far more than their rate of occurrence might justify.