[NA] Why baseball tickets are expensive: $43 bottles of Heinz ketchup

...a Fenway Frank with all the fixings.

...A $43,000 shipment of ketchup scheduled to arrive at Fenway Park

Even Dirty Harry knows, "Nobody, I mean NOBODY, PUTS KETCHUP ON A HOT DOG!" :incazzato:

 

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Indeed. I'm still having trouble with the Yankee concept of ketchup on a cheeseburger; a hot dog is beyond the pale.

Ya never put the $43 ketchup on a burger.
Ya put the ketchup on the fries along with some salt, pepper and vinegar. :thumbsup:
Ya put the $43 mustard on the burger.
 
Indeed. I'm still having trouble with the Yankee concept of ketchup on a cheeseburger; a hot dog is beyond the pale.



If you're having trouble with that then you will never get Scrapple either. Everything but the oink!
 
Yeah, that kind of Chicago weird dog. Tomatoes? Pickle slices? Wimpy peppers? Get real. The only things that belong on a hot dog are mustard, onions, and either kraut or chili and cheese.

If you're having trouble with that then you will never get Scrapple either. Everything but the oink!
Oh, I get scrapple just fine, and even have it for breakfast when I'm in the area you can actually get the stuff.
 
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My answer to $43.00 Ketchup.....MINOR LEAGUE BALL, Inexpensive, close to the action, players busting their but to make it to the next level, players who will sign autographs for every kid, loads of fun for not much money oh yea an $1.25 dogs
 
Yeah, that kind of Chicago weird dog. Tomatoes? Pickle slices? Wimpy peppers? Get real. The only things that belong on a hot dog are mustard, onions, and either kraut or chili and cheese.
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You must be from New Yawk. Kraut and mustard is OK. Chili never works out well. It's as bad as ketchup. The sweet tomato flavor overwhelms the dog...but we're talking Chicago Vienna dogs that have garlic and other subtle spices and a wonderful tooth texture in the casing

  • The sport peppers can vary in heat. When I worked at Uncle Franks and used to grab the peppers and munch, one week he changed suppliers. Owwww. :crazy:
  • Some joints add such things as cucumbers and green peppers and shredded iceberg lettuce. We let those live but that is very wrong.

I'll rant sometime how I came upon a local Ralley's drive through and after literally 11 attempts, no matter how I said it, I ended up with a chili dog. I ordered a "Chicago Dog" and a chili. Not the first time that I encountered non-English speakers at the drive through, but this time they called the manager over who dressed me down for ordering wrong, and gave me the cup of chili... and a chili dog.. :incazzato::incazzato:
 
Because it's only natural to put mustard on corn dog, I also put mustard on hush puppies. It's the right thing to do with fried bread.
 
Because it's only natural to put mustard on corn dog, I also put mustard on hush puppies. It's the right thing to do with fried bread.
I agree on yellow mustard on the corn dog. But I vote for malt vinegar or hot sauce on the hush puppies if they are being served with cat fish, if they are served with anything else then plain or BBQ sauce.
 
You must be from New Yawk. Kraut and mustard is OK. Chili never works out well. It's as bad as ketchup. The sweet tomato flavor overwhelms the dog...
You're using the wrong chili. Chili shouldn't have a tomato flavor to it, even if you're starting with tomato sauce. When I'm getting a dog outside of Texas, I get it with kraut.

The best chili dog I know if is at James Coney Island in Houston. The chili isn't tomato-ey at all.

but we're talking Chicago Vienna dogs that have garlic and other subtle spices and a wonderful tooth texture in the casing
Yeah, and? Adding all of the miscellaneous Chicago dog stuff on top of that hides the flavor just as surely as ketchup does.
 
You're using the wrong chili. Chili shouldn't have a tomato flavor to it, even if you're starting with tomato sauce. When I'm getting a dog outside of Texas, I get it with kraut.

The best chili dog I know if is at James Coney Island in Houston. The chili isn't tomato-ey at all.


Yeah, and? Adding all of the miscellaneous Chicago dog stuff on top of that hides the flavor just as surely as ketchup does.


You mean like Cincinnati chili, the Starline stuff? Its kind of like ground meat in brown gravy to me, not a southwest tomato based chili at all.

Just give me some Guldens, maybe some relish and I am good to go with the dogs.
 
You mean like Cincinnati chili, the Starline stuff? Its kind of like ground meat in brown gravy to me, not a southwest tomato based chili at all.
Nope. Skyline Chili is good stuff, but calling it chili is false advertising.

If your chili has a sweet tomato flavor, you didn't use enough spices.

Just give me some Guldens, maybe some relish and I am good to go with the dogs.
That'll work, but onions really help.
 
.. Adding all of the miscellaneous Chicago dog stuff on top of that hides the flavor just as surely as ketchup does.

Really it doesn't. Even with abominations like cucumbers it works. Fresh tomatoes work, too.

READ THE BOOK!
:cornut:
 
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/cnn-news/19150877/detail.html

$43000 of ketchup, 996 bottles = $43/bottle. Could it be they meant 996 cases? Can you put 996 cases in a typical semi?

(paging Kent... paging Kent...)

Hmmm. 996 bottles is not much. The $43,000 makes me wonder, too. I don't know where that particular ketchup is produced, but if it was not in the US, the customs papers require a value to be declared. Since truck drivers are not ketchup appraisers, the normal practice is to declare it at $1/pound and 43,000 pounds would be close to a typical load's weight.

As far as how much ketchup you can get in a "normal" trailer - Outer dimensions are 53' long x 102" wide x 13'6" off the ground. Inner dimensions are generally going to be roughly 52.5' x 8.25' x 9.5', or a hair over 4,100 cubic feet.

However, I think that the weight is likely to be the limiting factor. Max gross without special permits for tractor-trailers on the Interstate and US highway systems (and most state highways as well) is 80,000 pounds. Empty weight is in the 33,000 to 37,000 range (Freightliners and new trailers at the light end, Volvos with old trailers at the heavier end). So, the weight of the load, including packaging and dunnage, will generally be in the 43,000 to 46,000 range (they'd rather not take the chance of having the truck be overgross, as the trip to the scale and then back to the shipper to reload (or worse yet, having to unload part of the load at a weigh station) may cause the load to be late).

Looking in the fridge, my normal-sized bottle of ketchup is 36 oz of ketchup. Figure 4 oz for the bottle and its share of the weight of the cardboard case. 2.5 pounds. Say 8 bottles in a case, that's 20 pounds per case, and roughly 16"x12"x16".

Stacked on the floor, they could put 6 wide, 7 high, and 52 long or 2,184 cases (17,472 bottles) which would be 43,680 pounds - Unfortunately, that would put too much weight on the trailer axles (loaded all the way to the back) - The drive axles and trailer axles are each limited to 34,000 pounds as well as the 80,000 gross for the whole vehicle, and the distance from the kingpin to the center of the rear axle group cannot exceed 41' in most states. Plus, it's WAY easier to load and unload when things are palletized.

A normal pallet is 48"x40", so there would probably be 12 cases per layer (3x16"=48" and 4x12"=48" - They'd probably stack the cases with 4x12" on the 48" dimension, and let the outer 4" of the 16" dimension on the outer cases hang over the edge). At 16" high per layer (plus 5" for the pallet at the bottom), that's 6 layers, or 72 cases per pallet. That's 1440 pounds per pallet - Call it 1480 with the weight of the pallet. By my calculations, you could fill the trailer (26 pallets) and the trailer axles would end up at roughly 33,266 which is still within limits.

So, a full semi-load of this size of ketchup bottles would probably have:

26 pallets
1,872 cases
14,976 bottles
38,480 pounds

But what do I know, I'm just a stupid truck driver... :rolleyes: ...who went to school for engineering. I know, the few times I did it, that I must have really confused a couple of shippers when they said "Hey, can you take another pallet/roll/whatever" and I crawled through the trailer writing numbers, sat down with a piece of paper, did some calculations, and finally said "nope!" :rofl:
 
But what do I know, I'm just a stupid truck driver... :rolleyes: ...who went to school for engineering. I know, the few times I did it, that I must have really confused a couple of shippers when they said "Hey, can you take another pallet/roll/whatever" and I crawled through the trailer writing numbers, sat down with a piece of paper, did some calculations, and finally said "nope!" :rofl:

You rock! :yes:

Thanks for that very complete explanation!
 
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/cnn-news/19150877/detail.html

$43000 of ketchup, 996 bottles = $43/bottle. Could it be they meant 996 cases? Can you put 996 cases in a typical semi?

(paging Kent... paging Kent...)

It's probably not your standard 36oz bottle. At Fenway, they use bulk dispensers -- some #10's, some 3 gallon foils -- so my guess is that this was all bulk product. See weights here:

http://clubheinz.com/products_pgs/Bulk.aspx

I would be it was either 996 #10's or 996 3G foils, or a mix.

What's really interesting is that if this is one season's worth of ketchup, one could (arguably) infer some concession numbers...

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
The Italian Beef is a work of art.
Really you think so? I think it is soggy mess of mostly tasteless flesh with pepper on it.

But I do like a good Chicago dog.

That would be a Mary Ann's poppy seed bun, steamed. Vienna kosher pure beef dog, neon green relish, mustard, onion, hot sports and tomato.
 
Al's # 1 on W. Taylor. Load it up with giardiniera, extra fries... ooooh, I'm hungry.

Cheers,

-Andrew
I have had an Al's before. While I do like gardinara, putting it on a beef all one can taste is the soggy bread and spicing gardinara. :dunno:

Chicago Italian beef has not texture, needs a lot of peppery condiment to get a flavor. I can go without it. But if you like it....
 
I have had an Al's before. While I do like gardinara, putting it on a beef all one can taste is the soggy bread and spicing gardinara. :dunno:

Chicago Italian beef has not texture, needs a lot of peppery condiment to get a flavor. I can go without it. But if you like it....

So, I'll be honest, Al's is the only one I've had, but it was great. Beef was well flavored and the giardinera is top notch. The fries are delicious, as well. I really need to spend another eating weekend in Chicago.

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
So, I'll be honest, Al's is the only one I've had, but it was great. Beef was well flavored and the giardinera is top notch. The fries are delicious, as well. I really need to spend another eating weekend in Chicago.

Cheers,

-Andrew
Well if you do, go to some of our good restaurants. BTW my SO loves the beefs. Her favorite is now Johnny's.
 
Well if you do, go to some of our good restaurants. BTW my SO loves the beefs. Her favorite is now Johnny's.

I always do. My last two trips ended up with a dinner at Primehouse; I try and get to Xni-Pec once in a while, as well. A good friend lives up your way and is the go-to guy for resto reviews/recs. A dangerous weekend is when I go and sample what Chi-town has to offer with him.

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
Nobody's gonna comment on Canadian Ketchup? That mostly tasteless brown gravy you often get on your fries whether you want it or not?:vomit::vomit:
 
Hot Dogs must have the following condiments:

Mustard
Ketchup
Chili
Cheese

If it lacks any of the above, it better be Chili. Yes - Ketchup and Mustard both belong on all hotdogs, and doing it without either is blasphemy.

No, tomatoes, lettuce, peppers, etc. do not belong on a hotdog. Chicago has it wrong, and I'm offended at the sight of veggies on a hotdog. lol
 
Sure. Claim innocence when I know for a fact you had one..or was it an Italian Beef?

Italian. And I can tell you that it sure as hell didn't have any friggin' cucumbers on it. What is THAT? :vomit:

I can live without ketchup, but there'd better be yellow mustard on it. And I like ketchup mainly so that it can balance out the tanginess of the mustard so I can use more mustard. :rofl: And of course, cheese is good and chili's OK too.

But veggies? On a hot dog? Sorry, that's just wrong.

Better yet: A brat, with ketchup, mustard, onions, and (optionally) kraut (I prefer mine on the side).
 
Brats, grilled onions, horseradish mustard, stinky kraut, beer... life is good.

Cheers,

-Andrew

Oh man, now I am really hungry. That sounds perfect for a Saturday afternoon/evening cookout.
 
Oh man, now I am really hungry. That sounds perfect for a Saturday afternoon/evening cookout.

It is. Throw some pretzels out, maybe some potato salad... all one needs is an AM radio and a baseball game.

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Italian hots, horseradish, brats, onions and kraut under the brat. I boil those in beer for 25 minutes, remove, and then grill to a finish.

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
Andrew, you're killin me! That looks SOOOOOOOO good!
 
Yeah, that works fine. Ketchup, though??! Kent claims to be from Wisconsin, and puts ketchup on a brat??!

Ketchup is a weird condiment. I eat it with grilled cheese, and on a potato chip from time to time. I don't like it on hot dogs, but I put it on a burger (with mustard, mayo, pickles, onion, lettuce). I put it on the side of my fries, not on top of them.

People form oddly personal relationships with ketchup -- just like those people who eat that disgusting slop, Miracle Whip. (I'm a Hellman's guy, myself)

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
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