[NA] Why baseball tickets are expensive: $43 bottles of Heinz ketchup

astanley said:
If I have to be hungry while listening to this godforsaken conference call, you're all gonna be hungry with me.

Cheers,

-Andrew
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BTDT. Put it on mute and get something to eat. If they ask you a question in the middle of chewing, finish chewing, swallow and use the old, "Oh I had you on mute and forgot and was trying to talk through the mute button. Ha, ha, ha, ha everyone laughs and you make your point about the topic. Life is good. :D
 
Mmmmmm...Bratwurst.....slightly, ever so slightly burnt...

Topped with Ketchup and Mustard..
 
SkyHog said:
Mmmmmm...Bratwurst.....slightly, ever so slightly burnt...

Topped with Ketchup and Mustard..
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No, No, no, no!!

Ketchup on hamburgers, mustard on sausages. Never the two shall meet. It is immoral to have ketchup on sausages, mustard and sausage is an institution that has been endorsed by the culinary gods and any mixing with ketchup is an abomination!



;0 ;)
 
jmaynard said:
Yeah, that works fine. Ketchup, though??! Kent claims to be from Wisconsin, and puts ketchup on a brat??!
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Dude, everyone puts ketchup on brats here. Probably because the FIB's (uh, "Friendly Illinois Brethren" ;)) told us we shouldn't. :rofl:
 
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jmaynard said:
Must be a Madison thing. Paul looked at me like I'd grown a third eye when I told him someone from Wisconsin put ketchup on brats.
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Naah, just us damn liberals. :rofl:

FWIW, IIRC both the Brewers and Packers supply both ketchup and brown mustard for brats at their respective stadiums.
 
astanley said:
I'd rather hear about some crazy Wisconsin team than hear another @#%$$@#% story about the !#@$#@%#@ Cubs. Eamus Catuli my left eye. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Cheers,

-Andrew






;)
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try living in Chicago! the Cubs suck and that is all anyone ever talks about. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Even when the White sox won the world series all the news was about when they thought the Cubs would be in a series. IDIOTS!
 
smigaldi said:
try living in Chicago! the Cubs suck and that is all anyone ever talks about. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Even when the White sox won the world series all the news was about when they thought the Cubs would be in a series. IDIOTS!
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It's National League ball. It's not even real baseball. I think the US Olympic Women's Softball team could give the AL a better run for their money.

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
astanley said:
It's National League ball. It's not even real baseball. I think the US Olympic Women's Softball team could give the AL a better run for their money.
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The AL wouldn't be so all-fired powerful if it weren't for the designated hitter rule that keeps players around long past their prime and relieves managers of any need to make actual decisions during a game. :mad3:

The first rule of baseball says that it is a game of nine players on a side. The DH makes a mockery of that.
 
astanley said:
I'd rather hear about some crazy Wisconsin team than hear another @#%$$@#% story about the !#@$#@%#@ Cubs. Eamus Catuli my left eye. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Cheers,

-Andrew






;)
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Riiiiight. Because nobody ever talks about, oh I dunno, the Red Sox and Yankees. Are they even still playing? I mean I have to ask, because every time I turn on ESPN, it's deafening: It's all non-stop NL and AL Central Division coverage. You should all file some kind of protest for not getting adequate baseball coverage out there.


;)

astanley said:
It's National League ball. It's not even real baseball. I think the US Olympic Women's Softball team could give the AL a better run for their money.

Cheers,

-Andrew
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You know, I stood by quietly while people ripped on the Chicago-style dog. I didn't even pipe up when somebody advocated putting ketchup on brats. And I didn't even raise a stink when everybody failed to mention that all these encased meats are far inferior to a quality char polish, garnished simply with grilled onions, mustard, and sport peppers.

But whatever baseball-like game that they play in AL is "real baseball"? Now, sir, you have gone way, way too far. :mad3:


;)
 
jmaynard said:
The AL wouldn't be so all-fired powerful if it weren't for the designated hitter rule that keeps players around long past their prime and relieves managers of any need to make actual decisions during a game. :mad3:

The first rule of baseball says that it is a game of nine players on a side. The DH makes a mockery of that.
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Exactly. You know, second basemen are many times pretty light hitters. Let's have somebody bat for them too. And while we're at it, catchers should really be more focused on the defensive side of the game... Let's relieve them of having to appear at the plate, too. Now that we've gone that far, right field is really just a place to stick poor defenders with big bats, so let's just have somebody else play that position too. Shortstops and center fielders? They're kind of lacking in the power department too: Same deal.

I mean if the pitcher -- the central player on the field, the position you score #1 on your scorecard -- doesn't have to bat, what the hell, why have any of them bat. Because really, it's all about home runs and high-scoring games anyway, right? All those bunts and lame-o "strategy" and whatnot is just silly.

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ReverendSlappy said:
Riiiiight. Because nobody ever talks about, oh I dunno, the Red Sox and Yankees. Are they even still playing? I mean I have to ask, because every time I turn on ESPN, it's deafening: It's all non-stop NL and AL Central Division coverage. You should all file some kind of protest for not getting adequate baseball coverage out there.


;)
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Here we go... we're Cubs fans, we're Chicago-ans, nobody pays attention to us, whine, whine, here, we'll screw up the airport so everyone in America has to suffer, whine wine.



You know, I stood by quietly while people ripped on the Chicago-style dog. I didn't even pipe up when somebody advocated putting ketchup on brats. And I didn't even raise a stink when everybody failed to mention that all these encased meats are far inferior to a quality char polish, garnished simply with grilled onions, mustard, and sport peppers.
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SHUT THE $%#$% UP. If people find out about the char polish, then there will be lines at char polish stands, and that means I will have to wait to get my fix :nono:

But whatever baseball-like game that they play in AL is "real baseball"? Now, sir, you have gone way, way too far. :mad3:


;)
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Yes, the good old "One out every 9 at bats, guaranteed!" What a strategy for baseball. Hey, at least you only have to watch the Cubs suck for 1:45 every game... that free out sure moves the "gameplay" along.



;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
astanley said:
Here we go... we're Cubs fans, we're Chicago-ans, nobody pays attention to us, whine, whine, here, we'll screw up the airport so everyone in America has to suffer, whine wine.
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Hey, I'm just impressed you were aware that the Cubs play in Chicago... I mean we don't even have our very own Jimmy Fallon movie (and such a poignant, memorable piece of, er, cinema that was) to help familiarize people outside the Midwest with the team. And nobody ever talked (incessantly, every day, all the time, interminably) about The Red Sox drought or the Curse of The Bambino or Game Six or Buckner or any of that other stuff. Nosiree. None of us were ever (incessantly, every day, all the time, interminably) subjected to any "Red Sox Nation" nonsense or excessive whining about the lack of a World Series title despite four trips to the Series. And heck, we don't even have a A-list caliber star like Ben freaking Affleck backing us!

So yeah. You're totally right: WE really need to tone it down.

;);););)

astanley said:
SHUT THE $%#$% UP. If people find out about the char polish, then there will be lines at char polish stands, and that means I will have to wait to get my fix :nono:
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Good point. :redface:

BTW, if you haven't yet been, on your next trip to Chicago, you must get yourself to Hot Doug's... The full name of the business says it all: Hot Doug's - The Sausage Superstore and Encased Meat Emporium. Try to get there on a Friday or Saturday so you don't miss the duck fat fries... Oh momma. <drool>

And I'm not worried about spoiling that little gem... There's already always a line out the door.

astanley said:
Yes, the good old "One out every 9 at bats, guaranteed!" What a strategy for baseball. Hey, at least you only have to watch the Cubs suck for 1:45 every game... that free out sure moves the "gameplay" along.



;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Cheers,

-Andrew
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Oh yeah, because you know, a day at the ballpark is something you want to be over as quickly possible. Although I guess if I were watching my team get smoked by the likes of the Rays and the Angels, I'd be interested in a quick resolution to such suffering as well.

;););););)
 
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smigaldi said:
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Darn it, Scott! How am I supposed to look like I'm working when you've got me crackin up?



jmaynard said:
The AL wouldn't be so all-fired powerful if it weren't for the designated hitter rule that keeps players around long past their prime and relieves managers of any need to make actual decisions during a game. :mad3:

The first rule of baseball says that it is a game of nine players on a side. The DH makes a mockery of that.
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Our local team is the Mariners (AL), but I fully agree. 9 players on a team, and each bats in turn. End of discussion. What was the AL thinking?
 
Ghery said:
9 players on a team, and each bats in turn. End of discussion.
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Amen. AAAAAAAAAmen!

Ghery said:
What was the AL thinking?
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The short version is that they were thinking they were trying a temporary experiment in an effort to address a perceived problem that didn't actually exist, and even if it did, wasn't and wouldn't have ever been fixed by the experiment anyway. The whole thing is a giant stain on the game, and serves no purpose other than proving that Charlie O. Finley and the other AL owners of the time were a bunch of incompetent fools, interested in nothing other than hocking a schlocky, gimmicky product loosely resembling "baseball" for profit's sake alone.
 
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astanley said:
Yes, the good old "One out every 9 at bats, guaranteed!" What a strategy for baseball.
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Ah, but an out - even a guaranteed out, something that's not universally true of pitchers - can still be quite useful. It's not just about getting on base or getting out. It's about how you get out.

Of course, that's a strategy decision. AL managers don't have to do those.
 
mustard is gross. i like ketchup on hot dogs, brats, and burgers (with or without cheese)
 
tonycondon said:
mustard is gross. i like ketchup on hot dogs, brats, and burgers (with or without cheese)
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm 180 degrees out from you on that. Mustard on all three. Ketchup? Can't say that I use it, other than to mix with horseradish to make cocktail sauce for shrimp and the like. :D
 
ReverendSlappy said:
Hey, I'm just impressed you were aware that the Cubs play in Chicago... I mean we don't even have our very own Jimmy Fallon movie (and such a poignant, memorable piece of, er, cinema that was) to help familiarize people outside the Midwest with the team. And nobody ever talked (incessantly, every day, all the time, interminably) about The Red Sox drought or the Curse of The Bambino or Game Six or Buckner or any of that other stuff. Nosiree. None of us were ever (incessantly, every day, all the time, interminably) subjected to any "Red Sox Nation" nonsense or excessive whining about the lack of a World Series title despite four trips to the Series. And heck, we don't even have a A-list caliber star like Ben freaking Affleck backing us!

So yeah. You're totally right: WE really need to tone it down.

;);););)
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I'm sorry. How many years of Wrigley, and Harry Cary, and other various "the poor Cubbies" crap have we endured? WGN being some sort of sports content powerhouse? Puh-leaze.

Please do not ever speak of Jimmy Fallon again. Instant death befalls the man who speaks of that garbage within striking distance of any Red Sox fan.



Oh yeah, because you know, a day at the ballpark is something you want to be over as quickly possible. Although I guess if I were watching my team get smoked by the likes of the Rays and the Angels, I'd be interested in a quick resolution to such suffering as well.

;););););)
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I think you mis-interpreted my point (give than you are an NL fan, I'm not terribly surprised). Most Sox games are at least 2:15; most Yankees-Sox games are 3+ hours. I like that. In the NL, if a game goes past 1:45, the announcers run out of things to talk about...

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
jmaynard said:
Ah, but an out - even a guaranteed out, something that's not universally true of pitchers - can still be quite useful. It's not just about getting on base or getting out. It's about how you get out.

Of course, that's a strategy decision. AL managers don't have to do those.
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Jay, man, it's a joke. I'm just rattling his cage...

Cheers,

-Andrew
still thinks the NL sucks ;)
 
astanley said:
I'm sorry. How many years of Wrigley, and Harry Cary, and other various "the poor Cubbies" crap have we endured? WGN being some sort of sports content powerhouse? Puh-leaze.
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Apparently not enough years to make plain that it was Harry Caray that was the Cubs' longtime broadcaster and not some "Cary" fellow.

astanley said:
Please do not ever speak of Jimmy Fallon again. Instant death befalls the man who speaks of that garbage within striking distance of any Red Sox fan.
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And yet, there he is, right there on the field when the Sox won it all. Golly, that must really just burn ya, huh? Fallon -- a Yankees fan -- gets to be on the field, celebrating with the players while the rest of you watch...

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Ouch.

But then I s'pose you could always hang out and cry about it with this winner:
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astanley said:
I think you mis-interpreted my point (give than you are an NL fan, I'm not terribly surprised). Most Sox games are at least 2:15; most Yankees-Sox games are 3+ hours. I like that. In the NL, if a game goes past 1:45, the announcers run out of things to talk about...

Cheers,

-Andrew
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For one thing, having witnessed in person a couple Greg Maddux sub-two-hour displays, I can tell you those things are called "masterpieces". I'm sure it might come as a surprise to you as an AL fan, but there is in fact more to the game of baseball than "HIT BALL REAL FAR FIREWORKS YAY!"

And in that vein, I'll take discussion of sac-bunt possibilities, the merits of a possible double switch, and pinch runners over listening to color commentary about the performance of modern day Hal McRaes any day.


(;)x50, it goes without saying.)
 
astanley said:
I'm sorry. How many years of Wrigley, and Harry Cary, and other various "the poor Cubbies" crap have we endured? WGN being some sort of sports content powerhouse? Puh-leaze.
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Hey. We had to endure watching Ken Burns "Baseball" hearing every 20 minutes how the Red Sox didn't win again and their long suffering fans....when they can't touch the Cubs record that goes with no championship since 1908. although the Cubs' 4Fs did win the pennant in 1945.
 
jmaynard said:
Ah, but an out - even a guaranteed out, something that's not universally true of pitchers - can still be quite useful. It's not just about getting on base or getting out. It's about how you get out.
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Bah. I guess somebody forgot to tell Brewers starter Yovani Gallardo that after the #7 hitter doubled with 2 outs and they walked #8 to get the "guaranteed out", that he wasn't supposed to smack a 3-run homer off the Big Unit to win the game with his bat as well as his arm. :D

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=290408126&prov=ap

SAN FRANCISCO (AP)—Yovani Gallardo instinctively hacked at the high fastball, not thinking much about the pitching great who had thrown it, and his three-run homer dropped sharply beyond the fence in the left-field corner.

Although Gallardo has been alive only slightly longer than Randy Johnson has been a major league pitcher, the Milwaukee Brewers’ promising right-hander started off his season with an achievement even more remarkable than his solid effort on the mound.

He’s the first pitcher ever to homer off the Big Unit.

Gallardo pitched neatly into the seventh inning while spoiling Johnson’s debut with the San Francisco Giants, leading the Brewers to a 4-2 victory Wednesday night.
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mikea said:
Hey. We had to endure watching Ken Burns "Baseball" hearing every 20 minutes how the Red Sox didn't win again and their long suffering fans....when they can't touch the Cubs record that goes with no championship since 1908. although the Cubs' 4Fs did win the pennant in 1945.
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Oh yeah... It was quite the sob story the entire country was subjected to. The poor, poor Red Sox and their poor, pooooooooor fans had to suffer through winning FOUR PENNANTS since their 1918 WS championship. Yeah. Boooooooo hoooooooo for them.





(The ;)s should be unnecessary by this point, BTW. :D)
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Bah. I guess somebody forgot to tell Brewers starter Yovani Gallardo that after the #7 hitter doubled with 2 outs and they walked #8 to get the "guaranteed out", that he wasn't supposed to smack a 3-run homer off the Big Unit to win the game with his bat as well as his arm. :D

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=290408126&prov=ap
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That was pretty awesome.

Oh, and along those lines, somebody must've also forgotten to mention to Carlos Zambrano that he wasn't supposed to bat .337 with 4HR and 14RBI in only 83 at bats last year.
 
ReverendSlappy said:
And yet, there he is, right there on the field when the Sox won it all. Golly, that must really just burn ya, huh? Fallon -- a Yankees fan -- gets to be on the field, celebrating with the players while the rest of you watch...

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Ouch.

But then I s'pose you could always hang out and cry about it with this winner:
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All responses I have typed to this section involved threats of violence. I may have to drop a chunk of rotting concrete on you next time I... oh, wait, Wrigley will do that for me. Nevermind.



For one thing, having witnessed in person a couple Greg Maddux sub-two-hour displays, I can tell you those things are called "masterpieces". I'm sure it might come as a surprise to you as an AL fan, but there is in fact more to the game of baseball than "HIT BALL REAL FAR FIREWORKS YAY!"

And in that vein, I'll take discussion of sac-bunt possibilities, the merits of a possible double switch, and pinch runners over listening to color commentary about the performance of modern day Hal McRaes any day.
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Here we go, Greg Maddux. What next? Fergie? You guys did it to yourselves, this whole "drought" -- trying to fix 1918 has a way of haunting a team, you know?


(;)x50, it goes without saying.)
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I feel like I'm talking with my brother -- I want to laugh my a** off while punching him and grabbing a brew and the game afterwards.

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
Jay sus! Some Yuppies even desecrated OPENING DAY AT WRIGLEY FIELD!

A curious little lunch spot has popped up on the corner of Addison and Sheffield. It goes by the name Captain Morgan Club, ... an attached room (which actually is indoors) that features a large bar and leads into a sports stadium called Wrigley Field. Apparently many of the diners at the Captain Morgan Club planned to enter this park for an event known as Opening Day, though one needed tickets to do so....

My friend ordered a ballpark frank ($4.50), which was delivered naked alongside a pickle relish packet, and he splashed ketchup on it and somehow was not expelled from the premises.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/chi-captain-morgans-0414apr14,0,6080169.story
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:nono:

This "Club" by the way stands on the sidewalk that used to be my nearest open area to play on. I used to ride my bike on it doing laps of Wrigley Field - the other side has a slope - a couple times pulling my neighbor buddy on a skate board ala a water skier. When he wiped out (it's concrete, remember) we went to the fire station for first aid. :smilewinkgrin:

Hey! Aviation related: We once went there to launch some 10 cent styrofoam gliders we bought at Jacks. I threw one that got picked up in a timely gust of headwind and glided for about a minute all the way across Addison Street. "DID YOU SEE THAT!" I was destined. :D
 
flyingcheesehead said:
As far as how much ketchup you can get in a "normal" trailer - Outer dimensions are 53' long x 102" wide x 13'6" off the ground. Inner dimensions are generally going to be roughly 52.5' x 8.25' x 9.5', or a hair over 4,100 cubic feet.

However, I think that the weight is likely to be the limiting factor. Max gross without special permits for tractor-trailers on the Interstate and US highway systems (and most state highways as well) is 80,000 pounds. Empty weight is in the 33,000 to 37,000 range (Freightliners and new trailers at the light end, Volvos with old trailers at the heavier end). So, the weight of the load, including packaging and dunnage, will generally be in the 43,000 to 46,000 range (they'd rather not take the chance of having the truck be overgross, as the trip to the scale and then back to the shipper to reload (or worse yet, having to unload part of the load at a weigh station) may cause the load to be late).

Looking in the fridge, my normal-sized bottle of ketchup is 36 oz of ketchup. Figure 4 oz for the bottle and its share of the weight of the cardboard case. 2.5 pounds. Say 8 bottles in a case, that's 20 pounds per case, and roughly 16"x12"x16".

Stacked on the floor, they could put 6 wide, 7 high, and 52 long or 2,184 cases (17,472 bottles) which would be 43,680 pounds - Unfortunately, that would put too much weight on the trailer axles (loaded all the way to the back) - The drive axles and trailer axles are each limited to 34,000 pounds as well as the 80,000 gross for the whole vehicle, and the distance from the kingpin to the center of the rear axle group cannot exceed 41' in most states. Plus, it's WAY easier to load and unload when things are palletized.

A normal pallet is 48"x40", so there would probably be 12 cases per layer (3x16"=48" and 4x12"=48" - They'd probably stack the cases with 4x12" on the 48" dimension, and let the outer 4" of the 16" dimension on the outer cases hang over the edge). At 16" high per layer (plus 5" for the pallet at the bottom), that's 6 layers, or 72 cases per pallet. That's 1440 pounds per pallet - Call it 1480 with the weight of the pallet. By my calculations, you could fill the trailer (26 pallets) and the trailer axles would end up at roughly 33,266 which is still within limits.

So, a full semi-load of this size of ketchup bottles would probably have:

26 pallets
1,872 cases
14,976 bottles
38,480 pounds

But what do I know, I'm just a stupid truck driver... :rolleyes: ...who went to school for engineering. I know, the few times I did it, that I must have really confused a couple of shippers when they said "Hey, can you take another pallet/roll/whatever" and I crawled through the trailer writing numbers, sat down with a piece of paper, did some calculations, and finally said "nope!" :rofl:
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I'm glad the dude hot shotting my grocery boxes wasn't an engineer. I've picked em up at 80,000lbs on my crane.:yikes: (not a real worry with a 70 ton crane, when you have a 40, it's a lot more interesting....)

I got called into the office by the big boss, "Can you take all these tanks of drilling fluid out to the Nansen Spar?" I looked at the list and weights and arms and said "No". "What do you mean No? You didn't do any calculations...", "Alright, no worries, I'll bring you what you want, gotta go to the boat for awhile...." Went down and well, oilfield stability books are a bit remedial, and rightfully so. So I built a stability calculator for the vessel, just a slightly more complicated form of a W/B calculator, in Excel with an envelope graph and all that and brought it to him on a disc along with various trials and solutions for the problem he handed me. "Here you go, load that, it says "No" as well. But I can take all but these three and those can go on a crew boat." Now this was a big drunk Scotsman out of the Aberdeen oil field companies. They aren't much more sophisticated than the G.O.M. His jaw was hanging. This was the first time in his career that he hadn't been able to bully someone into taking out an unsafe load. At this point any misfortune would land him in prison and leave the company in a position of gross negligence. The downside was I had to now build a stability calculator for all the boats in the fleet off of their book.
 
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